NationStates Jolt Archive


Putting the "Board" back in the Board of Ed

26-10-2003, 18:37
For this issue I'm not sure which option is the best. Option 1 would probably decrease civil rights, I'm almost sure of that, but does option 3 dent the economy?

"Clearly, parents aren't teaching manners at home," says Beth Mombota, the union president. "All we want is to be able to take a paddle to their backsides when there are problems. It's not like we want to throw the kids in jail."
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"Keep your hands off my kids!" shouts Charles Hamilton, while protesting outside of union headquarters. "If there's a problem, it's with the teachers not having the skills to do their jobs. They should be tested for qualifications!"
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"Corporal punishment would only treat a symptom of the bigger problem: our education system is in need of an overhaul," says Johan Shiomi, La Christiania's education minister. "We need smaller class sizes, more teachers, better buildings, and better pay. It'll cost, but it'll pay off in the long run."
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"Why don't we just abolish the schools and home-school the kids?" asks Beth Frederickson, education coordinator for the La Christiania First Omnimenical Church. "That way parents can stress the values they want their kids to have and give them the attention they need."
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Qaaolchoura
26-10-2003, 19:23
It depends on who submitted and who edited it.

In the real world there is a 7:1 return on investment to education, but the submitter might not care about the long-term effects.
The Global Market
26-10-2003, 19:42
I would go with Option 2. Teachers should be qualified before being hired. Though I haven't recieved this issue yet.
Southern Illinois
26-10-2003, 19:43
I got that issue today too, I picked option 3. Education is my #1 priority
Qaaolchoura
26-10-2003, 19:44
I got that issue today too, I picked option 3. Education is my #1 priority
Same here. In Qaaolchoura I put education even before democratic freedoms, which are my #2 priority, followed by civil freedoms, and then health/social welfare.
The Global Market
26-10-2003, 19:47
I got that issue today too, I picked option 3. Education is my #1 priority

Protecting my citizens' rights (Civil and Economic freedoms) is my #1 priority. My Republic shall never be too strong for the liberties of its citizens, as Lincoln would say.

Education is also important, because it is the means by which people get ahead. It is also a high-yield investment.

Political freedoms are also important, but a "Corrupted" rating so far has been impossible for me to achieve, and it would also mean that citizens have the power to vote away the rights of others, leading to tyranny of the majority which is almost as bad as tyranny of a dictator.

Health and Social Welfare are not legitimate roles of government... if, after you get an education, you still can't make something of yourself, than that's your own damn fault. Don't steal from others.
Goobergunchia
26-10-2003, 19:48
I got that issue today too, I picked option 3. Education is my #1 priority

Same, except it was a few days ago.

the nation is currently revamping its entire education system, ....

My economy is still "Good", so I doubt it causes a big impact.
Southern Illinois
26-10-2003, 19:51
after you get an education, you still can't make something of yourself, than that's your own damn fault. Don't steal from others.

I AGREE, DOWN WITH WELFARE!
(except for the disabled)

8) Capitalism all the way 8)
Goobergunchia
26-10-2003, 19:52
after you get an education, you still can't make something of yourself, than that's your own damn fault. Don't steal from others.

I AGREE, DOWN WITH WELFARE!
(except for the disabled)

8) Capitalism all the way 8)

<---- mutters something about not everybody having an equal opportunity
The Global Market
26-10-2003, 19:54
after you get an education, you still can't make something of yourself, than that's your own damn fault. Don't steal from others.

I AGREE, DOWN WITH WELFARE!
(except for the disabled)

8) Capitalism all the way 8)

<---- mutters something about not everybody having an equal opportunity

People with serious health handicaps might have less opportunity. Like if you're blind or something. But otherwise even if isn't equal EVERYONE STILL HAS OPPORTUNITY. I personally know FOUR people who come from poor families and went to inner city schools and ended up in the Ivy League. Most of the top science students in my state are inner-city.

Going to Andover Prep helps, but even Andover only sneds about 1/9 of its students to Ivy League schools.

Equality is a myth anyway. Some people are naturally smarter/more atractive/stronger/more clever than others. True equality means that everyone would have to be identical. What a boring world that would be!
27-10-2003, 05:30
after you get an education, you still can't make something of yourself, than that's your own damn fault. Don't steal from others.

I AGREE, DOWN WITH WELFARE!
(except for the disabled)

8) Capitalism all the way 8)

<---- mutters something about not everybody having an equal opportunity

People with serious health handicaps might have less opportunity. Like if you're blind or something. But otherwise even if isn't equal EVERYONE STILL HAS OPPORTUNITY. I personally know FOUR people who come from poor families and went to inner city schools and ended up in the Ivy League. Most of the top science students in my state are inner-city.

Going to Andover Prep helps, but even Andover only sneds about 1/9 of its students to Ivy League schools.

Equality is a myth anyway. Some people are naturally smarter/more atractive/stronger/more clever than others. True equality means that everyone would have to be identical. What a boring world that would be!


Amen my Capitalist brother! Socialism is a LIE! They are taking our freedoms which our Founding Fathers worked so hard on, and flushing them down the toilet! Down with all Commie Socialist Pigs!
Kinky bunnies
29-10-2003, 01:12
well, I picked option 3, and got my return on my investment as my economy finally jumped from reasonable to strong, although there was another issue at the same time as well.
that was the one overnight change where I finally shook off the title of corrupt dictatorship :)

but if want to be corrput, just stamp out democracy, simple.
Kinky bunnies
29-10-2003, 01:12
well, I picked option 3, and got my return on my investment as my economy finally jumped from reasonable to strong, although there was another issue at the same time as well.
that was the one overnight change where I finally shook off the title of corrupt dictatorship :)

but if want to be corrput, just stamp out democracy, simple.
The Most Glorious Hack
29-10-2003, 10:37
Uh... yeah.

Let's keep this on topic, okay?
Katganistan
29-10-2003, 15:09
I got that issue today too, I picked option 3. Education is my #1 priority

*hug hug hug*

The majority of teachers ARE qualified, and the notable exceptions... well, draw your own conclusion as to what should happen.

Studies have shown that limiting class size to 21-25 students does result in generally higher achievement, as it is possible for a teacher to give each child more attention and grade papers more closely (170 homeworks a night is a staggering workload if you have the conscience to do them correctly).

All too often, kids are using books that are falling apart, or don't have books at all.

Corporal punishment? No way.
Demo-Bobylon
30-10-2003, 17:55
Amen my Capitalist brother! Socialism is a LIE! They are taking our freedoms which our Founding Fathers worked so hard on, and flushing them down the toilet! Down with all Commie Socialist Pigs!

And I like you too.

DB,
A Commie Socialist Pig
Nianacio
30-10-2003, 18:28
I think the last option increases crime a lot. :? A few days ago I got that issue and the one about prisons.
I chose the last option on this one and the increased police funding on the other one. Crime went from "totally unknown" to "a major problem" "-- especially youth-related". At the same time, the civil rights fell a level from the increased police numbers.
I got the bad effects of each issue and none of the good ones.