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Makes no attempt at starting a discussion, and is essentially a blog post.

Vanquished it.

Makes no attempt at starting a discussion...

I'm sorry, what? The entire post was an attempt at generating discussion. It provided my thesis, and the point was to get people to respond with their opinion (which they did).

I don't see how it was spam.

It was a blog post. I don't see how linking to my blog and copy and pasting an article of mine to generate discussion on NSG is harmful.

I'm seriously perplexed at the decision to delete the thread.

Might I add that The Macabees does not generate any sort of monetary profit from linking that, the discussion and the link was nothing more than a stimulation for debate.

C&P spam is still spam.

C&P spam is still spam.

How is it spam? That's like saying that copy and pasting a news article to generate discussion is spam.

Not all c&p is spam, obviously.

How is it spam? That's like saying that copy and pasting a news article to generate discussion is spam.

Not all c&p is spam, obviously.

Copy and pasting a news article without any added commentary of your own is the definition of spam.

How is it spam? That's like saying that copy and pasting a news article to generate discussion is spam.

Not all c&p is spam, obviously.
It is if it's unaccompanied by commentary.

EDIT: Ahh, Sdaeriji. Great minds think alike, and fools seldom differ.

The majority of the article is commentary. Or did he have to add a poor one-liner commentary about his own commentary?

This is utterly ridiculous. He created the content - if he hadn't put a link to his blog you would never have even known he had posted it elsewhere.

Still, theyve deleted it now, so they will never admit that they're wrong. Saving face is more important than being competent.

Copy and pasting a news article without any added commentary of your own is the definition of spam.

Err, given that I wrote the article it is my commentary.

If I had published it on NSG without first publishing it on my blog, then it would have been fine. Nobody would have considered it spam. It was the link to my blog that has caused the frenzy. Which goes to show that the content in and of itself was not spam.

Something along the lines of "These are my thoughts on [subject]. What are yours?" would suffice, I'm sure.

I'm reporting this post as spam. Even though it's clear that these are his thoughts, he did not explicitly state this. A modest request, I'm sure you'll agree!

The above are officially my thoughts signed Praetonia.

Oh look, the Jaredcohenia brigade.

Err, given that I wrote the article it is my commentary.

If I had published it on NSG without first publishing it on my blog, then it would have been fine. Nobody would have considered it spam. It was the link to my blog that has caused the frenzy. Which goes to show that the content in and of itself was not spam.

You're right, if you had published it on NSG first, it would have been fine. But you didn't do that, did you? You copy and pasted a blog post, a link to the blog, and your only commentary was a request that we go look at your blog and tell you what we thought of it. All of this was accompanied with a comment that acknowledged that your thread was nothing more than an attempt to advertise your blog.

I'm not really sure what your objection here is. You knew you were breaking the rules, you acknowledged you were breaking the rules, and now you're surprised you were punished for breaking the rules?

Something along the lines of "These are my thoughts on [subject]. What are yours?" would suffice, I'm sure.

You realize that the entire article were my thoughts on the subject, right?

You're right, if you had published it on NSG first, it would have been fine. But you didn't do that, did you? You copy and pasted a blog post, a link to the blog, and your only commentary was a request that we go look at your blog and tell you what we thought of it.

Unfortunately, since the thread was deleted (and not closed) it's hard for me to prove myself, but this couldn't be farthest from the truth. I specifically stated that I was looking for commentary both on the site and on the NSG thread.

All of this was accompanied with a comment that acknowledged that your thread was nothing more than an attempt to advertise your blog.

No, you are putting words in my mouth. I said that it was a copy and paste of my article. I was advertising my blog, but the post was something more ... I was also looking for opinions and commentary (which I got, until the thread was unjustly deleted).

I'm not really sure what your objection here is. You knew you were breaking the rules, you acknowledged you were breaking the rules, and now you're surprised you were punished for breaking the rules?

My objection was that I was not breaking the rules. I'd appreciate if you did not put words in my mouth in regards to what I did and did not say.

It was the link to my blog that has caused the frenzy.

I didn't make this thread about the blog, I made it because the whole OP was just a block of your opinions, with no questions such as "your thoughts?" or "how would you fix Zimbabwe's economy?".

I didn't make this thread about the blog, I made it because the whole OP was just a block of your opinions, with no questions such as "your thoughts?" or "how would you fix Zimbabwe's economy?".

You obviously did not read the opening paragraph of the post, where I explicitly asked for commentary.

I didn't make this thread about the blog, I made it because the whole OP was just a block of your opinions, with no questions such as "your thoughts?" or "how would you fix Zimbabwe's economy?".
Jesus wept. It's implicit in having posted it on a discussion board that he wants people to discuss it.

Without any addition commentary, posting a chunk of even your own blog is 'copy and paste spam'.

The reason is - anyone can link to ANY blog, and present it as the bulk of a post, and it is only that additional content added by a nationstates account, that saves it from being spam (if that - some of it still will arguably be spammy).

You say the blog you linked to is your own. But THAT account is not THIS account, so the rules of this site treat THAT content as an outside source.

Jesus wept. It's implicit in having posted it on a discussion board that he wants people to discuss it.

You'd be surprised how many people post with no intent of 'discussion', and just use a facility like this to preach.

The reason is - anyone can link to ANY blog, and present it as the bulk of a post, and it is only that additional content added by a nationstates account, that saves it from being spam (if that - some of it still will arguably be spammy).


You are not addressing the issue, however. I cannot offer any additional commentary on what is already my own commentary. Do you prefer me to say, "I agree with myself"?

In the post, I did ask for other people's comments. And, I did not force them to comment on my blog; I explicitly asked for discussion on the NSG thread.

Please, if you do not know the details of the issue, then do not post your opinion as fact.

You say the blog you linked to is your own. But THAT account is not THIS account, so the rules of this site treat THAT content as an outside source.

So, what's your point? I posted with this account.

You'd be surprised how many people post with no intent of 'discussion', and just use a facility like this to preach.

And those threads are not deleted, because discussion in inherent in a discussion board. And, this does not address the fact that I did ask for commentary. :rolleyes:

And those threads are not deleted, because discussion in inherent in a discussion board. And, this does not address the fact that I did ask for commentary. :rolleyes:

since I missed that thread. can you TG me your blog/thesis URL?

You are not addressing the issue, however. I cannot offer any additional commentary on what is already my own commentary. Do you prefer me to say, "I agree with myself"?

In the post, I did ask for other people's comments. And, I did not force them to comment on my blog; I explicitly asked for discussion on the NSG thread.

Please, if you do not know the details of the issue, then do not post your opinion as fact.

So, what's your point? I posted with this account.

The point was - any outside source is an outside source, and thus - requires some kind of on-site commentary.

In your case, perhaps it is a little redundant - because (you claim) it's YOUR OWN blog, but the rules are not THAT taxing - if you post any outside source - even your own - you're going to need to preface it for THIS forum, in some way.

And those threads are not deleted, because discussion in inherent in a discussion board. And, this does not address the fact that I did ask for commentary. :rolleyes:

Lots of them are deleted.

Seriously, I saw the original thread. If that was copy and paste spam, then 99.99% of every thread reporting a news topic that ever existed, should also be deleted.

The point was - any outside source is an outside source, and thus - requires some kind of on-site commentary.

It was my own commentary.

In your case, perhaps it is a little redundant - because (you claim) it's YOUR OWN blog, but the rules are not THAT taxing - if you post any outside source - even your own - you're going to need to preface it for THIS forum, in some way.

It was. I asked for people's commentary on that thread. It was my thesis, and the same post (in the opening paragraph) asked people to comment with their own opinions (which they did).

This is the obvious fact that you keep ignoring.

You'd be surprised how many people post with no intent of 'discussion', and just use a facility like this to preach.
They can do this by putting "Discuss." on the end too. Unfortunately its not possible to read peoples minds over the internet and divine their intentions.

It was my own commentary.


You keep ignoring the fact that ANY offsite commentary - even if you are the author (which you claim) needs preface. To keep saying 'it was my commentary' is to miss the point, completely.

You keep ignoring the fact that ANY offsite commentary - even if you are the author (which you claim) needs preface. To keep saying 'it was my commentary' is to miss the point, completely.

Thank you for ignoring the second part of my post. :rolleyes:

Shall we leave this circular debate till a mod arrives?

Of course I do. It's a combination summary/disclaimer that will result in your thread not being exterminated.

The summary is the thesis statement, and there was a "disclaimer".

As I said, his disclaimer was about 10 times longer than a lot of peoples news articles posts, which quite often just consist of the article, and then 'thoughts?' at the end.

As I said, his disclaimer was about 10 times longer than a lot of peoples news articles posts, which quite often just consist of the article, and then 'thoughts?' at the end.

Fair enough. Retracting previous.

EDIT: And...done.

Unfortunately, since the thread was deleted (and not closed) it's hard for me to prove myself, but this couldn't be farthest from the truth. I specifically stated that I was looking for commentary both on the site and on the NSG thread.



No, you are putting words in my mouth. I said that it was a copy and paste of my article. I was advertising my blog, but the post was something more ... I was also looking for opinions and commentary (which I got, until the thread was unjustly deleted).



My objection was that I was not breaking the rules. I'd appreciate if you did not put words in my mouth in regards to what I did and did not say.
Do you mean this post?

Resturing Prosperity in Zimbabwe
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Shall we leave this circular debate till a mod arrives?
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