NationStates Jolt Archive

Due to certain circumstances relating to this thread here and the banning of my comrades: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=589912 I have placed it upon myself to declare that moderation of this forum is invalid against the rights of Englishmen to liberty. It is the case that a frightful crime of tyranny has been committed by the unelected politburo-esque commissars of this forum, without mandate it is of complete and utter maleficium.

The ban would also likely be illegal under the European Union Humans Rights Charter of which the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland is a signatory off.

http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq#etiquette][/url]It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?

Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.

That might apply if this were a town square out in the open, but it's not. This is more like a private convention center. Max is the owner, the Mods are the security guards, and if you don't obey the rules like a good convention attendee we can and will revoke your ticket.

That might apply if this were a town square out in the open, but it's not. This is more like a private convention center. Max is the owner, the Mods are the security guards, and if you don't obey the rules like a good convention attendee we can and will revoke your ticket.

Max doesn't own Jolt, Jolt is hosted in the United Kingdom which subjects it self to the Human Rights Charter which this ban falls foul of. It would be highly probable that those banned could sue for a six figure compensation payout due to the stress and trauma it had created upon them.

Then go and get your legal counsel to take care of it. Till then, they'll have to sit it out for three days.

Then go and get your legal counsel to take care of it.

I'll see you in court.

The Issue

While effusively praising Moderator's leadership and bowing repeatedly, a delegation has humbly requested that the government take a more "modernistic" view in the future.

The Debate

1. The High Minister for Post Monitoring, who also happens to be your brother, dismisses the claim. "What these people fail to realize is that you know what's best for them. The alternative is anarchy! I say stick to your course. And execute these wackos for treason."

[ Accept ]

"Perhaps the people could be given some more political freedoms," muses your Chief of Bribe Collecting, who is your sister. "Is there really such harm in allowing public discussion of ideas? We could even have a real Opposition Party. One that isn't just full of your puppets, I mean."

[ Accept ]

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784670&postcount=7
Mod Oppression and Mod Bias: NationStates moderation is based on acting against rule-breaking in the games and the forums. Political opinions do not factor into official decisions by moderators. We make our rulings and interpretations as official representatives of NationStates, and are acting in the name of Max Barry. Our only agenda is RULES ENFORCEMENT. It's often the case that posters who lack the control to post within the rules also hold strong opinions on other matters, and it may appear that the mods are suppressing a particular viewpoint. This is NOT the case. Anyone who shares that viewpoint and manages to post within the rules is welcome to express their opinion.

Mods are players too: Moderators have political, religious, and social opinions, and they are welcome to express them on the forums. In most cases, mods will add a "Moderation Team" signature block when posting in their official capacity, and all mod posts in Moderation and Technical are considered official unless specified otherwise. Otherwise, Mods are free to roleplay, argue, or otherwise post in any forum just as any other player may.

Rules Lawyers: We don't like rules lawyering. We've said this before. If someone looks like they're trying to use (or, more specifically, abuse) the above guidelines in bad faith, then an official warning will be issued against them. "But you said this was okay!" "Yes, we did say it was okay. Then you went and tried to use that to bait another player." "I wasn't trying to bait him/her!" "We don't believe you." "But it's true!" "Tough noogies. You are officially warned."

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I'll see you in court.

How old are you? 13? You are not only wasting your own time with these shenanigans, but also the Mods' time. They have important things to do outside of your whining. I suggest that if you and your comrades do not like the ruling, then you can leave and start your own forum and do what you want to on there. Right now though, you are just annoying the crap out of everyone.

/not a mod.

I'll see you in court.
Just to verify that this is more than just vaguely threatening psuedo-legal jargon and a serious matter: You are actually intending to persue legal action against Jolt/OMAC, Nationstates and its staff, and/or Max Barry?

A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

We have protocols we have to follow in the event of serious threats of legal action, and I would like to have it clear whether or not it will be necessary.

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~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

I believe that the rule in question is wrong and misguided, because publicly-posted data is publicly posted. I also have no problem with people posting my personal data.

However, this is a mod decision, and it's their forum (though subject to UK law). It is okay, in my mind, to politely criticize the moderators and their decisions. It is not okay - and in fact, is prohibited under the forum rules - to threaten to sue the moderator team.

How old are you? 13? You are not only wasting your own time with these shenanigans, but also the Mods' time. They have important things to do outside of your whining. I suggest that if you and your comrades do not like the ruling, then you can leave and start your own forum and do what you want to on there. Right now though, you are just annoying the crap out of everyone.

/not a mod.

Go away you caddish oik.

By creating user accounts and posting here, everyone who posts here explicitly agrees to abide by the rules created by Max Barry. Laws of Great Britain, the United States, Australia, or any other country do not apply. The First Amendment does not apply here.

As Max has said, consider the NationStates fora to be his own Father Knows Best state.

This isn't moderation tyranny by any stretch. It's an object lesson in not violating the rights of a whole host of people who post here.

Go away you caddish oik.

My question, Clandonia Prime. Please answer it before you go about flaming users in Moderation.
Just to verify that this is more than just vaguely threatening psuedo-legal jargon and a serious matter: You are actually intending to persue legal action against Jolt/OMAC, Nationstates and its staff, and/or Max Barry?

A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

We have protocols we have to follow in the event of serious threats of legal action, and I would like to have it clear whether or not it will be necessary.

http://rpstudios.ian-justman.com/junk/CGgoods/Modsig2.JPG
~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Ok so Sarz, so what if Max was a paedophile and was hosting a load of child porn on the server? Wherever a website is hosted it is abound to the laws of that land.

Non sequitir.

And I recommend you answer Reploid Production's question before you get yourself into too much further hot water.

That has nothing to do with this, Clan, and you know it.

Ok so Sarz, so what if Max was a paedophile and was hosting a load of child porn on the server? Wherever a website is hosted it is abound to the laws of that land.

The right of an owner of private property to control who has access to that property is not a violation of human rights. Max owns the forum and and as such controls it as he sees fit, i.e. delegating absolute authority to a group of moderators who act in his name. This is perfectly legal.

As much as you might like for, say, the power of the Mods to be balanced out by an equally powerful but diametrically opposed group of Rockers, precedent here says it's not going to happen.

Wait, this isn't a joke, is it?

I apologize to the mods on here. From the sheer rediculousness of the claims, I had thought this was a joke topic.

Clandonia, you threatened legal action, now answer the question and we can get on with it already. Just a refresher:
Just to verify that this is more than just vaguely threatening psuedo-legal jargon and a serious matter: You are actually intending to persue legal action against Jolt/OMAC, Nationstates and its staff, and/or Max Barry?

A simple "Yes" or "No" will suffice.

We have protocols we have to follow in the event of serious threats of legal action, and I would like to have it clear whether or not it will be necessary.

So which is it?

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~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

My question, Clandonia Prime. Please answer it before you go about flaming users in Moderation.


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~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku
Perhaps he has serious trepidations answering legal questions to someone who signs themselves with an anime picture.

Why don't you just unban my friends and this issue will be silenced.

This is the real issue at hand, not "moderator tyranny."

Clan, I've mentioned in the other thread that at least three of the people being banned are my friends, too. However, I agree with this ruling and I support it. Any of them could have edited the information at question out of their posts. Any of them could have opted not to post at all.

However, they did not opt out. They posted information which Prestonia specifically has stated he doesn't want being disseminated. By the rules of this board, that's considered flamebait. On another message board I'm on, that might be worth the board's death penalty.

Let these events be a lesson in protecting identities. Be careful with your own, but be doubly careful with those of your friends. And for God's sake Clan, your arguments are making no sense whatsoever. Give up before you get yourself into even more trouble.

I'm no lawyer, but I'm pretty confident there is no law that requires a private forum to allow people to post there. I add my weight to Reploid's request that you clarify your intent to actually pursue legal action, FWIW. I certainly hope you say you do. I'm sure those who know the results of that understand why.

And seeing as tyrannical deletion occurs, I do not intend to pursue legal action in addressing to the person with the spikey funny foreign person in their signature.

Thank you for finally answering the question.

The 3-day ban stands, and will not be rescinded. I strongly suggest the matter be dropped, as those affected will be allowed to return in a few days and certainly won't die for the lack of Nationstates.

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~Evil Empress Rep Prod the Ninja Mod
~Master of the mighty moderation no-dachi Kiritateru Teikoku

Who has been deleted?

Who has been deleted?

I believe it was in reference to posts that were deleted in the thread.