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it's another noob nuke thread. Also, can you look into the defese clone thing. Neither North or South is making them, and it's getting annoying. Now we got West, East, and "SouthSouthEast Defese".


Thread is here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14582541#post14582541

actually, can you just get rid of all the defese clones?

one of them is also called Ainotserpska. Defese isn't in the name, but I read his intro and he's another one.

Nathan (North Defese) nor I have created any other nation.

Ban hammer please.

actually, can you just get rid of all the defese clones?

Again, I am not a clone, so I hardly see the justification for running about and calling for me to be banned just an hour into my posting history. I haven't posted anything stupid either.

oh, and can you lock this thread to?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14582664#post14582664

It has a connection to the crap already happening.

Again, I am not a clone, so I hardly see the justification for running about and calling for me to be banned just an hour into my posting history. I haven't posted anything stupid either.

First of all, you are obviously a clone. Your name is West Defese. The real defeses don't acknowledge another defese, and for you to exist would be a godmod, you would be taking away their territory without doing anything. And yes, you have been stupid. You (and the other clones) have almost totally ruined what could have been a great rp.

MODEDIT - Telling someone to "fuck off" is not a good idea, especially in Moderation.

Please ban the clones, they arent supposed to exist.

The Defesian region is torn between TWO factions, not 5.

First of all, you are obviously a clone. Your name is West Defese. The real defeses don't acknowledge another defese, and for you to exist would be a godmod, you would be taking away their territory without doing anything. And yes, you have been stupid. You (and the other clones) have almost totally ruined what could have been a great rp. So fuck off, and get out of it.

Maturity, get some. First off, I don't require the express permission of other posters to have a name similar to theirs, otherwise we'd have dozens of the variations of "Soviet" on the forum arguing amongst one another on their existence.

Secondly, godmodding does not equate a rule-violation, it is simply in poor character in roleplay, so either way it would have nothing to do with the existence of my nation and is not most certainly a godmod, and I don't recall ever saying I had "taken away" either North or South Defesian territory for my existence, some fanciful leap of logic you put together there.

Moderation is not your damn sandbox. Don't argue here.

After witnessing the pettiness, I am leaving the second thread open.

A nation cannot simply be banned for having a name that borrows an element. If the name is too close to another name, then it is grounds to do something about it.

If you can prove that there is intent using posts on the forum, then present it here. Do not use it as an excuse to continue the bickering here.

intent? can you elaborate?

Thank you Kryozerkia for providing a voice of reason.

As I pointed out, I cannot simply be banned for having a similar name; my initial post on the IC thread was IC in nature, only to have myself engaged in OOC bickering soon thereafter due to the chagrin of other participants for seemingly no reason other than the similarity in name.

North Defese and South Defese are in the 2nd civil war, we both agreed to split the region 50/50.

All of a sudden, 3 new Defese factions pop up, and move into our region.
Youll notice I ejected and banned them from the region.
They are claming they seceded from me, they dont just have a name simaler to mine, they are godmodding by taking my territory and saying theyve seceded from me.

intent? can you elaborate?

With the intent to impersonate another poster.

Impersonation: Any attempt to impersonate another player, including attempting to hack nation or region passwords, is illegal according to the FAQ.

Passing nations from one player to another is legal but risky, as any negatives associated with the prior player are inherited by the new player. Also, inadvertent WA multiing is always a concern. Use caution.
Using similar names of nations or regions is illegal when done in a malicious manner. Malicious intent is a difficult call to make, so this must be considered on a case-by-case basis.
Impersonating a moderator is a deletion offense, often for the puppet master as well. (See also Mods as a Weapon below)


Also, I am NOT a game mod, so I cannot delete any nations in the game. As a forum moderator, I do not simply delete or ban someone for their name unless that name is fundamentally offensive. As these names pass the "reasonable person" test in my view, there is no reason for a delete. You would need to prove that there is malicious intent, and not just someone copying the name for any other reason.

North Defese and South Defese are in the 2nd civil war, we both agreed to split the region 50/50.

All of a sudden, 3 new Defese factions pop up, and move into our region.
Youll notice I ejected and banned them from the region.
They are claming they seceded from me, they dont just have a name simaler to mine, they are godmodding by taking my territory and saying theyve seceded from me.

The moderators are not here to stop people from godmodding. We're here to enforce the rules that are outlines in The One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023).

Godmoding, Godmodding, and Wanking: The general idea behind godmoding, as its name makes evident, is making yourself or your nation godlike in power and unable to die. It is commonly used by first-time roleplayers, and is frequently accompanied by Smilie Spam (see below). Under most circumstances, godmoddery is not a moderation offense unless it turns to spam. At that point, godmode n00b wars will often be locked or moved to the spam forum. Note that flaming in response to n00bish behavior is still forbidden.

So, if there is spam, please bring it to our attention, otherwise it's not an offense. It's just an annoyance.

In order to take your land, they would have to RP; declare war on you. You can ignore it, and the player if you so choose.

can I at least say one thing? East and West are controlled by the same person. Their entry posts into the thread are very similar (same format etc.) and when one logs off, the other gets on. Also, they have been told to stop posting on the thread and been ignored by about everyone on it, but they are still posting and saying that they are the ones really "conducting business".

West Defeses intro post
The United Socialist States of West Defese must profess its support against the vile tsarist regime of North Defese capitalist tyrants.


~ Chairman Aaron Preston, USSWD


East Defeses Intro Post
The Republic of East Defese declares its unwavering support for liberty, truth, justice, glory, and by extension, North Defese.

- President Clayton Robertson



If you look at these posts, the format is pretty similar.

West Defese
If they do not want you within their region or to RP as breaking away from their nation then that is their perogative. Not to be rude or anything but you cannot just claim to break away from an already existing NS Nation without RPing it out or getting permission from the owner of the already existing nation.
It will get you ignored from the entirety of the International Incidents community. Trust me on that, i've seen it happen many times before.

can I at least say one thing? East and West are controlled by the same person. Their entry posts into the thread are very similar (same format etc.) and when one logs off, the other gets on. Also, they have been told to stop posting on the thread and been ignored by about everyone on it, but they are still posting and saying that they are the ones really "conducting business".

I can certainly check, but I won't say either way on what the outcome is. Speculation won't help.

Also, format means nothing. I've seen posters with similar styles post in the same thread. It does not make them the same person.

At this point, if someone is going to post, I suggest you keep it relevant and stop spamming. If you have a legitimate grievance and it's not just petty snivelling, then link to the post that is causing it. Otherwise, I suggest you ignore each other.

West Defese
If they do not want you within their region or to RP as breaking away from their nation then that is their perogative. Not to be rude or anything but you cannot just claim to break away from an already existing NS Nation without RPing it out or getting permission from the owner of the already existing nation.
It will get you ignored from the entirety of the International Incidents community. Trust me on that, i've seen it happen many times before.

Again, I didn't claim to "break away" from anything.

ooc: I'll be back in 15 minutes, don't lock this thread yet please.

can I at least say one thing? East and West are controlled by the same person. Their entry posts into the thread are very similar (same format etc.) and when one logs off, the other gets on. Also, they have been told to stop posting on the thread and been ignored by about everyone on it, but they are still posting and saying that they are the ones really "conducting business".

Highly improbable; your claims verge on wild tinfoil hat nonsense. The player behind West Defese pointed this thread out to me over IM after setting up West Defese and noting the significance of the thread, and I remarked that it looked interesting, and set up East Defese in turn. Of course, I was a bit more impulsive than he was in setting up my country, lol. It seemed a plausible enough name, given the circumstances, but I found that I was summarily rejected for...exactly what reasons again? Because I have Defese in my account name? Or is "East" the objectionable part? I must say that, given that Australio was an open region, I was led to believe falsities, where had it been password-protected as it should have been if it were really meant to be private in the first place, this might not have happened.

I am not seeing the similarity here. At all. Mine is more liberty-loving, after all. Or did you mean that we resemble each other in that we use proper language and are quite calm?

Now that ALL sides have aired out their dirty laundry, let's keep the bickering out.

If there is a legitimate grievance or an actual rule violation, then please bring it to the table. If I find people fail to listen, posts will be deleted, yellow cards handed... and that's just a couple of tricks up my sleeve.

The moderaters obviously wont do anything about the massive amount of puppets, so lets just RP and ignore any posts they make.
And pray they dont fill anything else with crap.

here's another thing, the clones were asked at least 9 times to leave the thread, and still posted. could that be considered spamming? Oh, and Ainotserpska posted in a thread that as closed to him.

Speaking of people with confusing names, you mods should probably look at the nation of 'Alanea'.

Anyways, I find this somewhat hard to credit. All these other Defese nations were obviously made to screw up an ongoing RP and their owners should be zotted accordingly. It's a textbook case of puppet abuse.

Ainotserpska posted on it again. He's posted twice now on a thread were the first paragraph stated that he was not allowed in it.

if you wanna talk about spam then Volzgrad should get it for spamming all those stupid "YOU FAIL" forum pics

Unwanted posts and pic spam removed.

In the future, link to the thread so I don't have to play find the mystery thread.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14582866 (link supplied for any other mods who come along)

Thank you!

I know I may be annoying, but I don't think the comments from the other party are quite warranted. "gtfo", "you'll never rp with anyone", etc. are uncalled for.

My apologies great exalted ones

*makes sacrifices*

sorry bout that. Also, they have been asked to leave the ooc thread, but still are not. Even the creator of the thread asked them to go at one point in the thread. The thread is here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=586061

I know I may be annoying, but I don't think the comments from the other party are quite warranted. "gtfo", "you'll never rp with anyone", etc. are uncalled for.

If there are questionable posts, link them here. I am not hunting for the specific posts. I already dealt with the pick spam. If there are others, link them here.

West Defeses intro post
The United Socialist States of West Defese must profess its support against the vile tsarist regime of North Defese capitalist tyrants.


~ Chairman Aaron Preston, USSWD


East Defeses Intro Post
The Republic of East Defese declares its unwavering support for liberty, truth, justice, glory, and by extension, North Defese.

- President Clayton Robertson



If you look at these posts, the format is pretty similar.
Those two names are real names of some NS users I know.

This reeks of #draftroom folks, especially considering their obsessive fascination with hating on Preston.

Those two names are real names of some NS users I know.

This reeks of #draftroom folks, especially considering their obsessive fascination with hating on Preston.

What?

Those two names are real names of some NS users I know.

This reeks of #draftroom folks, especially considering their obsessive fascination with hating on Preston.

Probably, although Preston-hate seems to have tapered off.

Probably, although -hate seems to have tapered off.

EDIT- Nevermind

Quit the nonsense! You should all know better than to carry on your squabble in a Moderation thread.

Kryozerkia has ruled on this. I'm now reviewing threads to see if there's been any idiocy since her rulings.

If I find any, don't expect much sympathy, considering the level of sheer silliness involved.

Ainotserpska now has a red card for sustained spamming in the OOC thread.

United Gordonia, give up on the "ban petition" thing. It hasn't a hope in Hades, and continuing will be treated as spam.

West, East and any other "Defese"s who aren't N or S: Kryo has justly given you the benefit of the doubt. Note that if any subsequent action by your players looks at all malicious towards the players behind N or S Defese, you can expect to have the second part of that rule invoked.

You should also take note of Stoklomolvi's advice in this thread, should you be tempted to godmode in connection with N or S.

You could, of course, display your lack of malice by taking the course other players have followed when they found their name was confusingly similar to another nation's name: allow the more recently named nation to die, then rejoin with a name untainted by dispute.

East Defese, you were not "led to believe falsities". Founders of open regions may eject nations as they choose, and are not obliged to password-protect to secure the membership they prefer.

Useful info #1: "Ignore" has a special meaning in NS. A nation on ignore does not exist for the ignorer, its actions cannot affect them and its posts cannot be seen. To put a nation on ignore, go to User CP (grey bar, top left); then go to "Setting and Options" (left-hand column); then go to "Edit Ignore List".

Useful info #2: Posting in an RP thread from which you have been specifically excluded is generally spam, and treated as such.