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I know it ain't exactly kosher to post here in lieu of another, but KoL seems to have recently adopted the idea that it's okay to take a quick snipe at other posters, so long as he doesn't *directly* quote them. I'm sure that Smunkeeville would agree that this is at the very least unwelcome.

I'm sure that I could dig up more, if I were arsed into it, but seeing as it's juvenile, at best, and nothing really serious, I thought I might offer what I've seen just meandering the front page for your consideration.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573986&page=19

If you check this poster's history, he has a tendency to do this toward me as well. If you look at the above thread for the post he deleted (after he found a mod was reviewing the thread) you'll see the exact same behavior. It was formerly post 181.

As mild as it might be, he seems to have a pattern of taking arguments rather personally and resorting to flamebaiting and flaming as a result.

Here are more of him attacking the poster rather than the argument. Apparently, she's not supposed to mention the definition of recession or she's plotting against KoL.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14264565&postcount=18

Unfortunately, the forum search feature doesn't work at the moment or I'd offer more examples. I was going to let this go when it was just me, but it appears that it isn't.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=573986&page=19

If you check this poster's history, he has a tendency to do this toward me as well. If you look at the above thread for the post he deleted (after he found a mod was reviewing the thread) you'll see the exact same behavior. It was formerly post 181.

As mild as it might be, he seems to have a pattern of taking arguments rather personally and resorting to flamebaiting and flaming as a result.

Here are more of him attacking the poster rather than the argument. Apparently, she's not supposed to mention the definition of recession or she's plotting against KoL.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14264565&postcount=18

Unfortunately, the forum search feature doesn't work at the moment or I'd offer more examples. I was going to let this go when it was just me, but it appears that it isn't.
He also has a habit of going back and deleting posts that he sees being reported. So I captured them and add my name to the list here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14261852&postcount=272

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14264993&postcount=293

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14265049&postcount=298

He is.

And I dont mean that in a complimentary way.

Yep. What CH says is of course 100% correct. Always. Allow me to take this time to congratulate President Elect John McCain and his new VP Sarah Palin.

Lolz. It thinks it won. Isnt that cute?
Added to points raised in Moderation thread.

Calling someone an "it" and appealing to the crowd for a response isn't exactly "debate".

To be fair all that stuff is a bit light....I mean it seems like you're really reaching. There isn't anything that really sticks out as vile or rule-breaking.

There isn't anything that really sticks out as vile or rule-breaking.

Agreed on a case by case basis, but when viewed as an aggregate posting style, KoL is exhibiting a growing tendency to make personal attacks a standard part of his/her responses. It needs to stop.

Red Cards will fly if this behavior continues, even if they're mild. Knights of Liberty, if you're reading this post, take notice.

Calling someone an "it" and appealing to the crowd for a response isn't exactly "debate".

It sounds a lot like a Presidential debate...

It sounds a lot like a Presidential debate...

Conclusion: KoL is our next president. God help us all.:D KoL, mods, all in jest.

You all had a little party without me. I feel slightly left out.

If you check this poster's history, he has a tendency to do this toward me as well. If you look at the above thread for the post he deleted (after he found a mod was reviewing the thread) you'll see the exact same behavior. It was formerly post 181.

Oh my. You think that I went running to delete it because the mods were coming? I deleted it because, to be honost, it was starting to threadjack, which wasnt my intention.

As mild as it might be, he seems to have a pattern of taking arguments rather personally and resorting to flamebaiting and flaming as a result.

Here are more of him attacking the poster rather than the argument. Apparently, she's not supposed to mention the definition of recession or she's plotting against KoL.

No, I got aggressive because her post was bitchy. She wasnt right, simple as that. As other posters pointed out, her narrow view of defining a recession isnt the only one, but she ended her post with "Learn what a term means before you use it". I dont appreciate being made to look like an idiot by someone no matter were I am, especially when that person is wrong, as myself and others pointed out, I did know the definition of a recession, I was merely using another criteria. But Smunkee wouldnt have been so rude had that been anyone but me.

As to taking it personally, when people like you and her make it personal, what do you expect?

To be fair all that stuff is a bit light....I mean it seems like you're really reaching.

Of course they are.

Agreed on a case by case basis, but when viewed as an aggregate posting style, KoL is exhibiting a growing tendency to make personal attacks a standard part of his/her responses. It needs to stop.

Red Cards will fly if this behavior continues, even if they're mild. Knights of Liberty, if you're reading this post, take notice.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14306682&postcount=87

and it continues.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14306682&postcount=87

and it continues.

Especially since it seems NM didn't do anything to deserve that remark...

KoL just came off a 24 hour ban too. And here we were hoping he'd learn his lesson.

Also... addressed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=14307419&posted=1#post14307419).

Not to be an ass, but he took another pop shot about 11 minutes ago. Although I am not sure it's anything actionable, it's worth looking at.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14307330&postcount=123

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14306682&postcount=87

and it continues.

Oh for the love of-

Im certianly not the only one who made a comment like that. But Im not suprised to be singled out. That seems to happen to me a lot lately.

Bet Im the only one who got a warning too!

Not to be an ass, but he took another pop shot about 11 minutes ago. Although I am not sure it's anything actionable, it's worth looking at.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14307330&postcount=123

You have got to be kidding me.

Upon reviewing, I can see KoL's point, there are very loaded comments there. Not enough to issue warnings but enough to say, it needs to go into lockdown.

Upon reviewing, I can see KoL's point, there are very loaded comments there. Not enough to issue warnings but enough to say, it needs to go into lockdown.

Thank you.

Ill never object to getting a warning I probably deserve. I will always object to being singled out.

Argh, just after I give everyone a hypothetical situation too...

Thank you.

Ill never object to getting a warning I probably deserve. I will always object to being singled out. Sometimes it just smacks of preferential treatment.

>.>

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Psst. Preferential treatment is when they single you out for GOOD stuff.

(Oh my God, I'm gonna get modded!)

>.>

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Psst. Preferential treatment is when they single you out for GOOD stuff.

(Oh my God, I'm gonna get modded!)

I dropped that part of my post. Im picking my battles tonight.:p

Upon reviewing, I can see KoL's point, there are very loaded comments there. Not enough to issue warnings but enough to say, it needs to go into lockdown.

I was of the impression that one's actions are not excused by the actions of others.

Even if mild, doesn't there appear to be a bit of a pattern, an unending, unchanging pattern of making personal comments rather than focusing on the argument?

Those comments weren't part of an arguement. In their entirety, they were designed to insult or enflame the poster they were aimed at. After a ban expires for doing just that, he returns and there are already two examples of comments that are personal and unnecessary.

I was of the impression that one's actions are not excused by the actions of others.

Even if mild, doesn't there appear to be a bit of a pattern, an unending, unchanging pattern of making personal comments rather than focusing on the argument?

Those comments weren't part of an arguement. In their entirety, they were designed to insult or enflame the poster they were aimed at. After a ban expires for doing just that, he returns and there are already two examples of comments that are personal and unnecessary.

Joc, we all know that you would like nothing more than seeing me gone.

And two? I saw one weak one.


EDIT: But Im glad to see that I bother you enough for you to spend time in here trying to get me permabanned.

Not to be an ass, but he took another pop shot about 11 minutes ago. Although I am not sure it's anything actionable, it's worth looking at.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=14307330&postcount=123

Looks like I came back on board too late :(

Just for the record: I appreciate the consideration, although I myself virtually never go to Moderation about personal attacks against me. In fact, I don't even see most of them, if you get my drift.

Normally I just recall one of Dr. McCoy's lines from the ST:TOS episode Friday's Child, which I will gladly provide privately to any who ask.

However, I realize that rules are rules re flamebaiting and other unacceptable activities, of which I have on (rare ;) ) occasion been guilty myself.

Joc, we all know that you would like nothing more than seeing me gone.

And two? I saw one week one.


EDIT: But Im glad to see that I bother you enough for you to spend time in here trying to get me permabanned.

A - It's not personal for me. I take it from your edit it is for you. This doesn't make me glad. It's disappointing. You shouldn't take everything so personally. It simply isn't.
B - I'm not trying to get you permabanned. No one is. The purpose of mod intervention is to correct the behavior. I assume if the mods make it clear enough to you that attacking people personally is unacceptable you'll cease. I take it you don't agree with this assumption.

A - It's not personal for me. I take it from your edit it is for you. This doesn't make me glad. It's disappointing. You shouldn't take everything so personally. It simply isn't.

You make it so. If thats not your intention, I will keep that in mind. It hasnt been personal for me until recently.

B - I'm not trying to get you permabanned. No one is. The purpose of mod intervention is to correct the behavior. I assume if the mods make it clear enough to you that attacking people personally is unacceptable you'll cease. I take it you don't agree with this assumption.

I disagree with the Mods saying certian things are personal attacks. I disagree with myself getting warned and other posters getting off, as like I said, its inconsistant and smacks of preferential treatment.

Come on, guys (and gals), in Moderation?

Come on, guys (and gals), in Moderation?

I would have been glad for this to die. Someone felt the need to resurrect it.

I would have been glad for this to die. Someone felt the need to resurrect it.

Cute. I was going to assume that when Fris said that this behavior was unacceptable and that if it continued something would be done.....that something would be done.

Nice doing it in the actual moderation thread about it though. Real nice.

I disagree with myself getting warned and other posters getting off, as like I said, its inconsistant and smacks of preferential treatment.

I can't speak to what the moderators decided, but the mods have consistently said they take a poster's history into account. If someone flamebaits or flames quite a bit, they'll have less leeway than someone who usually avoids the fray. That's what I've seen in my time here on NS.

As people in my life have told me ad nauseum: Don't worry about what someone else is doing wrong; focus on your actions. You can't control what Jocabia does or what I do. You can control Knights of Liberty.

Cute. I was going to assume that when Fris said that this behavior was unacceptable and that if it continued something would be done.....that something would be done.

While we're on the subject, your another poster who has insisted on making it personal. But let me guess, its not, right?


Nice doing it in the actual moderation thread about it though. Real nice.

What? Are you implying that was somehow a personal attack? Are you the one who actually necromanced this? I didnt look when I posted that.

I can't speak to what the moderators decided, but the mods have consistently said they take a poster's history into account. If someone flamebaits or flames quite a bit, they'll have less leeway than someone who usually avoids the fray. That's what I've seen in my time here on NS.

As people in my life have told me ad nauseum: Don't worry about what someone else is doing wrong; focus on your actions. You can't control what Jocabia does or what I do. You can control Knights of Liberty.

A lecture by a complete stranger on the internet! Thats bound to do something!

Im done posting in this thread. Issues over. Lets drop it.

While we're on the subject, your another poster who has insisted on making it personal. But let me guess, its not, right?
It's not other than your insistence on following me around to flamebait me.

It's not other than your insistence on following me around to flamebait me.

What are you on about? When is the last time we had a conversation?

I know when it was. You said something in the "What Made Your Day" thread about winning a free ticket. I asked what movie. It was a meager attempt to make peace.

If anyone follows anyone around picking a fight...

Okay, I don't want to start a debate, but I am serious that I'd like you to stop attacking people personally and stick to the argument.

Here are some comments that were in reply to other posters that make no argument whatsoever, but instead attempt to insult the posters.


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Just par for the course for most of them.
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I dont give a rats ass if you dont find it funny. Thats not the issue. Your superiority complex is.
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Then, I have no choice but to assume you are incapable of seeing logic and are seeing just what you want to see. Which is just par for the course for you.
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You seem awfully eager to write her inciting hatred off as acceptable and to characterize those that call her on it as just partisan. Given your comments on this board about blacks, however, this is not suprising.
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That your incapable of seeing why this is the real issue, not her political party, is very telling of you, by the way.
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Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.
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That's in addition to what is already in the thread and your reply to me about how you're glad that you bother me. These are to different posters about different things. One was about me in response to me asking you about the children who were in the church at the time the fire was started. Nothing about it is personal, but even if it was, it would just make the other posters wrong. It doesn't make you right.

It's not difficult to treat the people of NSG as faceless masses. They are. Speak to the argument and no one will have anything to report. Stop talking about how reporting you is some vendetta against you and wonder why it is that the mods keep agreeing with those reporting you.

Okay, I don't want to start a debate, but I am serious that I'd like you to stop attacking people personally and stick to the argument.

Here are some comments that were in reply to other posters that make no argument whatsoever, but instead attempt to insult the posters.


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Just par for the course for most of them.
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I dont give a rats ass if you dont find it funny. Thats not the issue. Your superiority complex is.
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Then, I have no choice but to assume you are incapable of seeing logic and are seeing just what you want to see. Which is just par for the course for you.
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You seem awfully eager to write her inciting hatred off as acceptable and to characterize those that call her on it as just partisan. Given your comments on this board about blacks, however, this is not suprising.
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That your incapable of seeing why this is the real issue, not her political party, is very telling of you, by the way.
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Once again, that you equate a disgust with Palin as purely political is more telling of you then me.
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That's in addition to what is already in the thread and your reply to me about how you're glad that you bother me. These are to different posters about different things. One was about me in response to me asking you about the children who were in the church at the time the fire was started. Nothing about it is personal, but even if it was, it would just make the other posters wrong. It doesn't make you right.

It's not difficult to treat the people of NSG as faceless masses. They are. Speak to the argument and no one will have anything to report. Stop talking about how reporting you is some vendetta against you and wonder why it is that the mods keep agreeing with those reporting you.


I didnt know we were still talking about something that has been resolved.

As I said, Im done posting in this thread. This is getting sad.

Edit: *insert repeat of earlier comment here*

What are you on about? When is the last time we had a conversation?

I know when it was. You said something in the "What Made Your Day" thread about winning a free ticket. I asked what movie. It was a meager attempt to make peace.

If anyone follows anyone around picking a fight...

I wasn't trying to pick a fight. I was reporting something to the mods.

I didn't know I wasn't allowed to do that.

Oh, for pete's sake, people, it's over. KoL goofed, got a ban, end of story.

Smunkeeville, I haven't noticed any evidence of KoL following you around to flamebait you. If you have it, post it (in a separate thread). If not, drop it.

Kryozerkia's closed the thread complained of and dealt with that complaint, Fris dealt with the original thread and I dealt with the one on Palin's church. So no need that I can see to discuss them further, either. Thread closed.

I was of the impression that one's actions are not excused by the actions of others.

Though this is closed, I shall respond to this.

You are right in that respect, though I made the judgement based on the overall tone the thread was taking. Those who overstepped their boundaries were held accountable.