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I BANJECTED a nation from Buddhist Region of Jambudvipa using my nation Bhagavan. The nation that was BANJECTED was named Partisan Klown Army. I sent them a telegram saying something along the lines of Say Hi to Kandarin and pick me up some BBQ while you are there.

Partisan Klown Army responded by calling me a jerk off, and I reported him to the moderators. I received a reply warning me for flamebait.

I can personally state that I have received similar telegrams from invaders when I got BANJECTED while trying to liberate a region, and I have also seen similar messages posted on Civil HQs of regions I have been trying to liberate.

I never responded to those messages with anything negative, and many times I did not respond at all.

My intent was to not goad Partisan Klown Army into a particular response and there was no intent on my behalf to illicit any response from that player. I do not believe that I deserved a warning for flamebaiting another player on this particular occasion.

Sincerely,

Joshua (Bhagavan/The Dead Angels)

I personally was not the moderator that sent out the warning, but comparing your telegram response to him (as he was kicked), to other responses you may have received (or others, for that matter) is completely irrelevant. Believe it or not, the moderators are not all-seeing and all-knowing, so if something you receive or see is breaking the rules, it needs to be reported to us. We can't take action against things that we don't know of.

I personally was not the moderator that sent out the warning, but comparing your telegram response to him (as he was kicked), to other responses you may have received (or others, for that matter) is completely irrelevant. Believe it or not, the moderators are not all-seeing and all-knowing, so if something you receive or see is breaking the rules, it needs to be reported to us. We can't take action against things that we don't know of.

Thank you for the response ES. And I understand that the mods only know what is reported to them. I sent in a report on the telegram I received where I was called a jerk off.

I agree with The Dead Angels that he should not have recieved a warning for flamebaiting though.

I have also been on the recieving end of some unhelpful moderators in the past. Whilst I appreciate the voluntary work moderators do for the game I think they need to keep their own actions in check a bit more as of late. A little while ago I reported a nation for various abuses on a regional message board and via telegram. The moderator who responded to one of my reports responded something along the lines of "Stop being a whiny bastard" and also used the term "bullshit" which, if used by a normal player would be met with disciplinary action.

Treatment like this of players who help out the moderators by reporting rules abuses should not recieve that sort of treatment. I know both myself and The Dead Angels have histories of helpfully assist the moderators in enforcing game rules and I find it rude that we are now faced with being insulted or recieving warnings for simply trying to make sure rules are enforced.

Much of my contact with moderators has been very good natured and enjoyable but a few cases recently that I've experienced and players around me have commented on have led me to raise these concerns.

You know what? It's amazingly easy to jump on the bandwagon and say, "Oh the mod team should not have done that," when only half the story is given. Moreover, I don't see the reason that it was both brought up in the getting help page AND here, except to gain support from folks who don't know the whole story.

When someone banjects and makes cute comments about "Say hi to Kandarin in the Rejected Realms, toodles!" he or she should expect for his troubles not to get, "Why thank you kind sir." If you're going to elicit flames with comments, then whine to us about something as mild as being called a jerk off in hopes of getting the other guy in trouble, then accept the warning -- especially when we've seen a similar pattern over, and over, and over. We've placed it right in the One Stop Rules Shop -- do not use us as a weapon. We're here to enforce the rules, not to be a "gotcha" tool to hammer someone you'd like out of your way.

Some folks seem to like to try to use us to get other players in trouble. Sometimes, it can backfire when we compare telegrams.

Keep in mind before you leap onto that bandwagon that you probably aren't getting the entire story when you decide to, "me too!".

As for your comments on being treated unkindly, Numero Capitan, you, sir, are guilty of a faulty memory. You were never called a whiny bastard by any of the moderator team, nor anything near it, which can be confirmed by ANY of the game moderators or the administrators.

You are incorrect in deducing that merely sending the word bullshit in any context would garner someone a warning. Perhaps you would like to reconsider the context in which it was sent to you -- to whit, your accusation that your being offended by someone else's comments constituted personal injury, and that because we didn't see it fast enough or did not agree that it was in itself a deletable offense we were not doing enough to protect you, was "sanctimonious bullshit".

Given the way you have posted to us in the past, ie: "For goodness sake, its like your 5 year olds, you shouldnt need me to tell you how to do your job" "Where's your delete button?" I don't understand your complaint. You've been "appalled" at us for having a randomly selected featured region because you had some problems with members of it offending you, and you have told us whom you believe we should delete before. You've been short with us before, and yet you seem to hold that we are somehow superhuman, with boundless patience, and with near-clairvoyant skills in dealing with rulesbreakers before you or anyone else had cause to report them. I think you have a very, very unrealistic view here.

Of course, I notice you don't really highlight the pages and pages of getting help tasks we've resolved to your satisfaction because they actually did rise to the level of rulesbreaking -- merely emphasizing the few in which a human being on THIS side of the screen responded to your occasionally impatient and occasionally rude posts with less than patience and politeness, or in which they did not agree with you that what caused you offense constituted a deletable offense.

I might observe the same thing of players that you do of we moderators; that politeness and tact ought to be the watchword of the day.

something along the lines of "Stop being a whiny bastard" and also used the term "bullshit" which, if used by a normal player would be met with disciplinary action.

Please dont misquote me, I never said you called me a "whiny bastard" but it was along those lines. Forgive me for not having a database of exact correspondance like you have.

Much of my contact with moderators has been very good natured and enjoyable but a few cases recently that I've experienced and players around me have commented on have led me to raise these concerns.

Which would seem to both prove you point about not observing the help you give, when I clearly do state my appreciation, and also argue along the same lines where we both agree the standards of politeness have slipped on occassion, whether reciprocated or not.

Policing on the game works on co-operation and mutual standards and respect are essential to everyone enjoying this game in its full glory. I think it would pay for both players and moderators to take a step back and not respond to criticism with getting tetchy. I know I've been guilty of it in the past, but I think you'll find I've taken your responses on board and reacted positively from them.

All I ask is that in future, moderators consider, in situations like Dead Angels, that these are people who have worked side by side with you for long periods of time and a polite explanation or rebuke would do far more good than an impolite, unhelpful and occassionally rude comment.

Please dont misquote me, I never said you called me a "whiny bastard" but it was along those lines. Forgive me for not having a database of exact correspondance like you have.



Which would seem to both prove you point about not observing the help you give, when I clearly do state my appreciation, and also argue along the same lines where we both agree the standards of politeness have slipped on occassion, whether reciprocated or not.

Policing on the game works on co-operation and mutual standards and respect are essential to everyone enjoying this game in its full glory. I think it would pay for both players and moderators to take a step back and not respond to criticism with getting tetchy. I know I've been guilty of it in the past, but I think you'll find I've taken your responses on board and reacted positively from them.

All I ask is that in future, moderators consider, in situations like Dead Angels, that these are people who have worked side by side with you for long periods of time and a polite explanation or rebuke would do far more good than an impolite, unhelpful and occassionally rude comment.
I did not misquote you. You, in fact, have misquoted us.

The point is that there was NOTHING sent to you along the lines of "Stop being a whiny bastard." You put that into quotation marks, which implies someone did say those words to you. I am sorry if you are misremembering this, but I guarantee that you have not been called a bastard, nor have you been described as whining. If you wish to place those words in our mouths, then say, "well, I don't have a database of exact correspondence," don't be surprised when we call you on it. What you asked to do was to "find something legitimate to be appalled about."


I simply ask that people do not jump on the "mods are wrong" bandwagon when they've only one side of the story, and "mods are rude" when in fact their experiences are shaped by the interactions they have in the past initiated.

That was what, 5 months ago, naturally my memory wouldnt be perfect of that exact situation, but I left feeling very unhappy with my treatment over a matter which was actually quite hurtful. I had already managed to resolve a similar situation with one nation but anothers persistance in insulting me and linking me to supporting the holocaust where several members of my family and long term girlfriends family died.

I'm sorry but I would have to disagree that I didnt have something legitimate to be appalled about and that I wasn't being unfair in walking away from that situation a little upset and annoyed with the moderators for lack of action. Yes, you did take actions against several nations eventually, for which I was pleased but a little more politeness would have gone a long way in a sensitive situation for which I was understandably upset. I think I may have even explained that to the moderator I was dealing with in fact.

As you said there are two sides to each story, so the comments of mine you are quoting in isolation dont quite show the full picture. Perhaps my comments to the moderators were slightly harsh and impatient, but considering the circumstances, which I believe I explained to some level at least, I think they were understandable and a politer approach would have been far more helpful and necessary even if no actions would or could be taken. Thats what I was asking for, a bit more consideration to try and be more respectful and co-operative on the odd occassion when manners begin to slip. As I've said, I continue to seek to do the same and we've had many pleasant dealings which far outnumber the poor ones so there really is no need for anything other than mutual respect and co-operation.

We've placed it right in the One Stop Rules Shop -- do not use us as a weapon. We're here to enforce the rules, not to be a "gotcha" tool to hammer someone you'd like out of your way.


Kat!!! ARDCHOILLE WAS MAKING FACES AT ME AGAIN!!!! TELL HER TO STOP!!!!!


in all seriousness, in the most non-moddish way possible (hey, can't let this post be classified as spam can we now, ahem...)

Numero Capitan, take it, learn from it, and if it happens again, just send them back a message along the lines of ":)" (nothing shows that you are superior like a simple brushing off of an insult...) plus, their reaction is usually priceless :)

(for example, can you imagine your reaction if kat had come in and instead of writing an essay on why you need to reassess your strategies that you make use of when rejecting and evoking a ban on members of your region, and had just said a simple ":)", it would have been classic!)

sorry mods, I'll go back to Forum 7 :(

Kat!!! ARDCHOILLE WAS MAKING FACES AT ME AGAIN!!!! TELL HER TO STOP!!!!!

Ner, Lapse, grow a skin, ya wussy Canetoad! :D

... politeness and tact ought to be the watchword of the day.

So, my advice:

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