NationStates Jolt Archive

Thrashia has made a number of regional OOC threads all for one RP, very similar to this (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=568946) funny business.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569285
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569287
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569283
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569282

These are all in addition to the main OOC thread:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=569186

Here it goes again... just like I predicted, and once it came, it was too late for me to advise about it as the OP didn't notice my post in reference to the same. *sigh*.

Anyway, I still stand to my former point that people should not bother into disrupting RP activities because of arguable definitions of what and what not consists in spam, and as all of the mentioned threads are growing in substance, meaning lost of lost and misplaced posts, I don't see what's the point in this "witch-hunt" for anyone's attempts to better organize a RP.

Leeway should be given here, this is just getting a bit excessive, and isn't really important for the maintenance of a healthy environment.

I'm not a mod and do not, in any way, presume to speak on anything more than pure personal opinion with this post.

To be honest, Prazinia, that many topics is excessive. Two OOC, I could see. 5 OOC? That goes over the line as each one being updated further pushes other RPs out of the way. RPs that often are only one or two threads at max and which should not be covered up just because one person believes he deserves 6 threads devoted to the same RP. If you honestly need that many, off-site forums are fairly cheap (read as: free).

I'm not sure how much research into the RP itself has been done by Zinaire or Forensatha, but the RP in question has over thirty-two members on a very large-scale map. Keeping every single IC and OOC topic of conversation within one thread would be extremely confusing for all players involved, and would in my view be detrimental to the RP and the efforts already expended of those involved in it.

The Eldire RP is entirely within the rules of II, and given the number of IC threads being created by participants anyway, the proposal for deleting the regional threads on the grounds of spam or server space is utter sophistry.

I'm not a mod and do not, in any way, presume to speak on anything more than pure personal opinion with this post.

To be honest, Prazinia, that many topics is excessive. Two OOC, I could see. 5 OOC? That goes over the line as each one being updated further pushes other RPs out of the way. RPs that often are only one or two threads at max and which should not be covered up just because one person believes he deserves 6 threads devoted to the same RP. If you honestly need that many, off-site forums are fairly cheap (read as: free).

So having 5 OOC threads for 34 rp'er based (and still growing) in different "regions" on the rp map and consisting of different issues, requirements of attention, and diplomatic, trade, and warfare talks is...excessive? And why should we go off-site? We're on NS for a reason.

Simply put. there are ALOT of people involved in this RP and its still growing. If, though, those OOC threads are not used then they wont affect the II forum and if they are used they're probably needed. Also I think all involved would prefer to remain on NS rather than being forced off-site.

Rps that go offsite die fast. Those that don't are rare, and will often have to relauch themselves and post numerous invites on II anyway. It's not a resolution I would support.

So having 5 OOC threads for 34 rp'er based (and still growing) in different "regions" on the rp map and consisting of different issues, requirements of attention, and diplomatic, trade, and warfare talks is...excessive? And why should we go off-site? We're on NS for a reason.

Yes, it's excessive. Honestly, it shouldn't be that hard to keep track of simply by looking at who's posting to who. Yes, your posts will probably be a bit longer, but overall that merely means people have a bit more to read. Don't feel like reading what's not directed at you? Well, that's what the "Find on this page" option under the edit tab is for. If you want, I can even write up a tutorial on how to use it.

And the part about going offsite is simple: If you don't like the rules of NS and how it handles multiple threads like that, then don't post here. But since you are posting, note the etiquette applies, no matter how big the RP is. And, honestly, Balrogga had a lot more of a leg to stand on with how his RP with multiple posts was structured, and look at how that ended.

As it stands, if you're posting OOC topics that are never used and there's multiple, then they're spam, which is against the rules. And I didn't see anything in any of those that could not have been handled on one topic with myself heading the topic, and I'm far from the best person at handling RPs and wouldn't even dare attempt something I'm doubtful about my skills at. So, no, I don't see anything you could honestly say which could ever convince me that more than one of those was ever necessary.

Simple organization is hardly excessive...especially considering the amount of people involved..all the ooc topics...are used...by the rp'ers in that "region" so they aren't spam...Im amazed at some of the ideas/views and such I find only on NS..troubles me sometimes...and to top it all off not one of the nay sayers is a mod anyways so you dont really have any business saying its spam...

Simple organization prevents the need for multiple topics with a poster count of this size to begin with.

And, honestly, I'll note that none of the people in support of this are mods either, so they have no right to say it's not spam.

so your saying that having multiple different conversations that aren't even linked together all in the same area is more organized that having seperate areas to discuss topics that are related...riiiiiiight...

Simple organization prevents the need for multiple topics with a poster count of this size to begin with.

And, honestly, I'll note that none of the people in support of this are mods either, so they have no right to say it's not spam.
And your not a mod either . . .nor are you a particularly experienced poster . . .so you have no right to say it is spam.

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As it stands, if you're posting OOC topics that are never used and there's multiple, then they're spam, which is against the rules. And I didn't see anything in any of those that could not have been handled on one topic with myself heading the topic, and I'm far from the best person at handling RPs and wouldn't even dare attempt something I'm doubtful about my skills at. So, no, I don't see anything you could honestly say which could ever convince me that more than one of those was ever necessary.
If they're not being used you wont see them (you understand how that works right? also thats a genuine question I'm asking if you need clarification not trying to insulte you) and if they are used their not spam (according to your definition) so what, exactly, is the problem here?

I do not see why you need five OOC threads for a single RP that has 34 members when the Earth II thread has over twenty thousand something posts and had more members for a long time. It makes little sense; just have all of them squeezed into a single thread to make that one thread look more active anyway. It's not like you're all going to die if you don't get five threads.

actually the earth II main thread has links to all of its associated threads...and factbooks...so earth II has multiple threads...just all linked in the main one...same as this one....

As a member of these RPers, I think I am in the middle. Yes we need them and yes there is a hell of a lot of them. Perhaps, so everone is happy, we just use three OOC threads instead, widen the regions more so. I don't know what else I could say.

so your saying that having multiple different conversations that aren't even linked together all in the same area is more organized that having seperate areas to discuss topics that are related...riiiiiiight...

You know those headline items in the thread on how to make a good factbook? You can use those to act as the separation. People just use search tools, which should be standard in any browser, to find the region that's specific to them. Takes you maybe two minutes, and since all of the information is relevant to the people in that RP setup, it's all in one thread so that people don't have to hunt for it.

And, get this, that's organization that took me three seconds to come up with.

And your not a mod either . . .nor are you a particularly experienced poster . . .so you have no right to say it is spam.

So my time of registration has bearing on how well I know the rules? Does this mean I could make a post on NSG that effectively calls for a rise of a new Nazi party and uses the vilest racist comments ever come up with by humanity and get off with merely a "you shouldn't do that?" Because that is the argument you're making.

Secondly, you are also not a mod, and I've yet to see a post from you that shows you have any more right than I do on this one. Oh, and nice ad hominem, but it doesn't help your case.

If they're not being used you wont see them (you understand how that works right? also thats a genuine question I'm asking if you need clarification not trying to insulte you) and if they are used their not spam (according to your definition) so what, exactly, is the problem here?

Take a look at the times they were posted. They already have acted as a minor disrupting influence for some RPs. Considering how many more you could put up under the justification of "we have a lot of people, so this is necessary," I don't see the disruption being less. Finally, if those threads are not going to even be used, then why did you spam the place by making them? Finally, if they are being used, the combination of all five is going to be a disruption to other RPs. I don't see why you should get special treatment in that regard, especially since my current RP on Terratha could easily be justified as having four IC threads under the logic I've seen for multiple threads for your's.

Oh, and I've already posted how to make it organized while on one thread, using techniques already on the forum. Not bad for someone who's not "a particularly experienced poster," eh?

As a member of these RPers, I think I am in the middle. Yes we need them and yes there is a hell of a lot of them. Perhaps, so everone is happy, we just use three OOC threads instead, widen the regions more so. I don't know what else I could say.

And as someone who's read it and likes what the RP itself is doing, I would like to think I'm on the fence. But, I still see no justification for even three. Just a need for better organization within the one, and I've already posted how to do that.

Still easier to read, understand, and less cluttered to seperate things...you really are trying too hard...but oh well await the mods..

Gataway, I'm not even trying at all. And, honestly, do you think it looks less cluttered now? Really, it doesn't. The clutter is just spread out more, and it also creates an organization confusion within your threads. After all, I do note that someone was actually asking for a link to a particular topic within one of your threads, which they couldn't find due to the setup.

And as for understanding: If you honestly have trouble understanding the format I suggested, then reading a factbook must be a torment.

Edit: One more post at most from me, then I'm done with this topic. My information was mainly to get the idea out that there is another way to handle it, in case that would help with the decision. Nothing more, and I really don't have anything to gain from this topic.

So my time of registration has bearing on how well I know the rules? Does this mean I could make a post on NSG that effectively calls for a rise of a new Nazi party and uses the vilest racist comments ever come up with by humanity and get off with merely a "you shouldn't do that?" Because that is the argument you're making.

lol no thats not the argument I'm making at all. Your argument was that we, as posters and not mods, "have no right to say it's not spam." Neither can you. Thus endeth the Argument


Secondly, you are also not a mod, and I've yet to see a post from you that shows you have any more right than I do on this one. Oh, and nice ad hominem, but it doesn't help your case.


See above. Also it was not an Ad Hominem. I added that because sometimes more experienced (and I mean waaay more experienced) posters can act as step in mods in some ways.


Take a look at the times they were posted. They already have acted as a minor disrupting influence for some RPs. Considering how many more you could put up under the justification of "we have a lot of people, so this is necessary," I don't see the disruption being less. Finally, if those threads are not going to even be used, then why did you spam the place by making them? Finally, if they are being used, the combination of all five is going to be a disruption to other RPs. I don't see why you should get special treatment in that regard, especially since my current RP on Terratha could easily be justified as having four IC threads under the logic I've seen for multiple threads for your's.

Oh, and I've already posted how to make it organized while on one thread, using techniques already on the forum. Not bad for someone who's not "a particularly experienced poster," eh?

1)its not my thread . .. I'm involved but they are not mine
2)the ones that are not in use are already gone from the first . . four? I believe? Pages. that being said one at least is in heavy usage and the others may be as well. Also They aren't all gonna be used at the same time . . . so how does that constitute a disruption?
3)So go for it? If you feel 4 threads are necessary make em then make you case to the mods. I see no problem with that.
4)I really rankled you with that comment huh? well I apologize that you took that the wrong way and for the record i don't consider myself a particularly experienced poster either.


And as someone who's read it and likes what the RP itself is doing, I would like to think I'm on the fence. But, I still see no justification for even three. Just a need for better organization within the one, and I've already posted how to do that.
Honestly this method is less cluttered and from my POV you haven't provided a conclusive argument as to why these should be considered Spam. You may believe that your method of organization is better, I disagree but others might not either way this has no bearing on whether or not these threads should be considered spam.

Please explain to me how these threads have " acted as a...disrupting influence for some RPs?" I don't recall running into other people's threads and posting random posts, spaming, and such. So, please, what is this "disruption"? I forced others to read my threads? Have I kept others from posting?

Until someone in moderation cares to wade through these threads, take the debate as to whether it's allowed elsewhere.