NationStates Jolt Archive

Indri - official warning for trolling. Come on, you know that's trolling, you know it's against the rules; and now you should also know that your next offense will land you in the market for a new nation. Smarten up.

~ Tsar the Mod.
Tsaraine - official protest for a complete and total lack of anything even resembling a sense of humor. Come on, you know that's satirical hyperbole, you know it wasn't meant to be serious.

You ever read Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal? Remember that the internet, contrary to popular belief, isn't serious business. You can't be so damned thin-skinned or the real world will steal your microscope and stab you in the face before the age of 12.

Next time you post a complaint about a mod, you might like to include a link to the post, or at least the thread.

Having seen the post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13941981&postcount=18), I think you're damn lucky Tsar galloped to your rescue with an official reproof before NSG got up enough steam to subject you to its own brand of mob justice.

Realise that it's just possible that the whole world may not be familiar with the tropes to which you refer.

Then ask yourself what "HAHAHAAAAH!" in the middle of a thread about 159 lives lost in a plane crash, coupled with a 9/11 "joke", sounded like.

If you haven't already come up with, "like a right prat", allow me to present you with the thought.

While you're asking yourself stuff, you might also like to consider if there's any reason, just the teeniest, why any mod could just possibly suspect that you do, on occasion, when the wind is in the right quarter, troll.

My "official" verdict is Lucky Escape, but no doubt other mods will want to comment, because when there's an "official protest" about a mod ruling, it takes more than one opinion to clear it.

There are none here, I hope, that will doubt, for even the most fleeting flutter of suspicion, that I would ever troll. Nor would any contend, or even consider to contend, that the cloak of satire would ever be set by my hands to hide the rough and course visage of trollery.

I have ever abided and not once abjured from the ordinances of this forum. Their very syntax is like a God to me, under which I live in loving fear.

That said, *&$% you.

Each of you, all of you, and I with you.

The rules are made available and are clear, or at least not deliberately deceitful. The moderators are diligent, watchful, and within the narrowly shifting boundaries of their respective personalities, fair.

And damn them for it. There is no excuse. A ratified restraint, even rendered judiciously by mods of good conscience, will kill wit. Not all, but some.

It will strangle insight, a fragile thing, in its crib. We will not hear it die, but watch it. Moderation, in the end, sacrifices those sharp, salient, piercing voices, silencing them, on the altar of reasonable, civil, affable discourse, lest they disrupt that fine, full, rich harmony of many voices.

And what of that fellow I keep hearing of, the one who can make his or her point with humor and wit, but without breaking the rules?

A coward, and they are damned with the rest of us, for whatever they achieve within the hand-held kindergarten of moderated discourse, it is mere diluted paste, constrained by definition from becoming what it could have been. Because in the end, if the mods aren't coming down on you, you haven't gone far enough to touch anything that hasn't been said before.

Do your duty, mods. It is just, it is right, and its clear to any who register here. You are the walls of authority that circumscribe debate into a shape easily seen and navigated by those who don't want to have to climb dangerous cliffs to see far.

Do your duty, mods.

And be damned for it.

I will do my duty by pointing out that even the most glamorously bedizened spamming is frowned on in the Moderation forum.

I will afford myself indulgence by sharpening my beak on the rock of your cri du coeur, just as the little bird does that passes one second of Eternity: might it be time for truly dedicated and enterprising satirists to consider accommodating to the needs of this medium? That is, incorporating in their work the tendency of an internet audience to read screeds literally even when the standard "Warning: Satire Ahead" signs are carefully set out?

And I will take my leave by unkindly pointing out that, should you wish to reply to that question, the place to do so is in a thread in General, not here. This thread is to discuss Indri's complaint about Tsaraine's decision.

I will do my duty by pointing out that even the most glamorously bedizened spamming is frowned on in the Moderation forum.

I will afford myself indulgence by sharpening my beak on the rock of your cri du coeur, just as the little bird does that passes one second of Eternity: might it be time for truly dedicated and enterprising satirists to consider accommodating to the needs of this medium? That is, incorporating in their work the tendency of an internet audience to read screeds literally even when the standard "Warning: Satire Ahead" signs are carefully set out?

And I will take my leave by unkindly pointing out that, should you wish to reply to that question, the place to do so is in a thread in General, not here. This thread is to discuss Indri's complaint about Tsaraine's decision.

Spamming? What I posted above is spam?

You don't see how it directly addressed Indri's complaint?

Please delete my account and render a permanent IP ban lest I be tempted by friends that I miss.

Ardchoille, if all you saw was spam, and don't see how it is soundly directed to Indri's OP here, I can honestly now say that the moderation here (not necessarily moderation as a concept, but the moderation here) has become arbitrary, poorly informed, imperceptive, and foul.

May I get stomach cancer and die painfully over the next three weeks if what you said here was right.

Adios, and may nationstates be richer for my absence.

Tsaraine - official protest for a complete and total lack of anything even resembling a sense of humor. Come on, you know that's satirical hyperbole, you know it wasn't meant to be serious.If that was meant as a joke, it failed. I can't see the humour of it.

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Please delete my account and render a permanent IP ban

I second the motion.

Seriously, this whole "LOL I'm not spamming and/or trolling! LOL!" followed by complete spamtrollfestation is getting so tiresome and I'm not even a mod nor do I strictly speaking have to deal with it at all.

Spamming? What I posted above is spam?

You don't see how it directly addressed Indri's complaint?

Please delete my account and render a permanent IP ban lest I be tempted by friends that I miss.

Ardchoille, if all you saw was spam, and don't see how it is soundly directed to Indri's OP here, I can honestly now say that the moderation here (not necessarily moderation as a concept, but the moderation here) has become arbitrary, poorly informed, imperceptive, and foul.

May I get stomach cancer and die painfully over the next three weeks if what you said here was right.

Adios, and may nationstates be richer for my absence.

The point Ardchoille may have been trying to make (I'll fully admit that I'm less patient and forgiving) is that your post really could have been summed up in a few sentences, without the extra fillers you threw in there (which to me, seem like you're playing a role of trying to tell us moderators what our role is in this game, when we full well know what our role is in the first place).

We do not delete/ban on request. If you really have no wish to return here, there should be no problem with letting your nation die. (I don't know if your post is really just full of sarcasm, but I figured I would inform you of our policy just in case).

As for the original case at hand, Indri is one lucky person. If I would've saw that, I'll fully admit that I would've done more. There's a difference between satire, and complete, blown out trolling. You sir or ma'am, completely crossed that line. Personally, I love a little satire here and there, but your post was so far beyond that. I support Tsaraine's ruling.

Hammurab, your post was relevant to the discussion "Is Satire (or other forms of challenging discussion) Possible On Moderated Forums".

It was not relevant to the specific "Was Tsaraine Fair To Mod Indri when Indri (thinks he) Was Just Being Funny" topic.

Hammo, mate, quit comin' the raw prawn.

Trostia, that's succinct, but not relevant either.

Chaotic Nightmare, go clean up your room.

fuck you eurotrash ****

Take a day off.

Plus a day for his activities in the WA, plus another for hiis activities in General. Tch, tch.

If you won't ban me, endure me, then.

Hammurab, your post was relevant to the discussion "Is Satire (or other forms of challenging discussion) Possible On Moderated Forums".

It was not relevant to the specific "Was Tsaraine Fair To Mod Indri when Indri (thinks he) Was Just Being Funny" topic.

The fact that you don't see the clear link between the two demonstrates an utter absence on your part of any ability to translate general principles to applied instances. It makes you bad at any job that involves authority.


Hammo, mate, quit comin' the raw prawn.

By your own precedent, the fact that I can't be expected to be familiar with that idiom means I should be free to interpret it as offensive and you should be duly censured. You have absolved others of the responsibility to actively seek contextual grasp of "offensive" posts, and since I am thus relieved of such duty, you must, to be consistent, warn yourself. The fact that you don't makes you bad at this function.


Trostia, that's succinct, but not relevant either.

As much as he/she would eschew my support, Trostia's post addressed what should be a governing dynamic of this situation, which is central to and inclusive of Indri's original OP here. I disagree with Trostia on what that dynamic actually is, but he brings it to fore quite relevantly.

Your inability to understand that makes you a bad moderator.

I say this with absolute sincerity and utter absence of sarcasm:

May I be dead of malignant digestive tract tumor in approximately 3 weeks if you are not completely unsuited for any function of authority or moderation.

Ban me, or I will spend time here that I need to spend elsewhere. My friends are well meaning sirens that draw me back to this place, but your mentality reminds me of why dying isn't always a bad thing.

And for the record, I'm dead fucking serious.

By your own precedent, the fact that I can't be expected to be familiar with that idiom means I should be free to interpret it as offensive and you should be duly censured. You have absolved others of the responsibility to actively seek contextual grasp of "offensive" posts, and since I am thus relieved of such duty, you must, to be consistent, warn yourself.

You are quite right. I am justly chastened. For future reference, this is the closest definition I can find to what an Australian means when he or she says, "comin' the raw prawn" (my emphasis):

From the traditional Australian expression: "Don't come the raw prawn!" or "Don't come the raw prawn with me!", meaning: "Don't try to put one over me!" or "Don't treat me like a fool!".
Particularly used to indicate that the listener is aware of the speaker's ingenuousness, for example where the person to whom it's directed feigns innocence or naivety.

As much as he/she would eschew my support, Trostia's post ... <snip>

My point to Trostia was that this is not the place to renew his opposition to your posting style. He appears to have understood that, as I would expect, as he is an intelligent and often funny person with whom I sometimes disagree about forum conduct.

As for my utter unfitness for ... (etc, etc), well, I'm afraid I'll just have to lick my paws and slink away whimpering into the darkness. Let the bells of Hell go ding-a-ling-a-ling.

And, rather than take up more space with our exchanges, I'm locking the thread. If you wish to continue the discussion, do it by PM.