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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561148&page=22
Just a few of the many personal attacks by pro-bourgeois individuals on NSG.

Oy, you want to link to the specific posts, not to a page. My page settings are not the default, so the entire thread is only 9 pages.

Oy, you want to link to the specific posts, not to a page. My page settings are not the default, so the entire thread is only 9 pages.

Actually yours (and others) constantly attacks and insistence on trying to coax personal information out of me constitutes breach of forum rules alone. I did make it clear (like days ago) I would not answer questions of personal information yet you and others pressed the point and uses personal attacks.

Actually yours (and others) constantly attacks and insistence on trying to coax personal information out of me constitutes breach of forum rules alone. I did make it clear (like days ago) I would not answer questions of personal information yet you and others pressed the point and uses personal attacks.

Hmm, and yet you can't point these out to me. Amusing.

Andaras, I'm not pro Bourgeois, but I don't believe they're gonna come and eat us.

And you asked our jobs, we wanna know yours.

bourgeois

What's a burgeois, Andaras?

Actually yours (and others) constantly attacks and insistence on trying to coax personal information out of me constitutes breach of forum rules alone.

If your profession is "personal information," then your POLL in that thread is also asking of us "personal information." Therefore by your own reasoning you are in breach of forum rules.

Your own reasoning is flawed, however. What job you have is not 'personal information.' Your specific employer or address of work would be.

I did make it clear (like days ago) I would not answer questions of personal information yet you and others pressed the point and uses personal attacks.

Asking a question is not a 'personal attack.' It's not a lewd, flaming or inappropriate question and in fact, it's highly relevant to the thread at hand.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13866167&postcount=7

Everyone here I think needs to take a step back. If Andaras doesn't want to tell us his job, then thats fine, and maybe we should leave that, as its been commented on plenty now. Fact is, a communist in a capitalist economy kinda has to by neccesity find work and use services provided on a capitalist basis. This doesn't mean that they can't hold strong and deep beliefs and wish the system was different, and doesn't itself invalidate his argument. The only way not to engage with the capitalist economy in a capitalist country is to kill yourself, tbh. I'm not a supporter of Andaras' views, but if we could get back to some constructive criticism of his views that would be better than this. Also, whenever Andaras posts in threads now, even when not on the topic of communism, posters start attacking his views. Which makes him angrier, which in turn leads to accusations that he's trolling etc etc. Vicious cycle that doesn't help anyone. Can we not have a bit of peace and love in our forum, people?:fluffle:

EDIT:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13866167&postcount=7
Took too long writing that, I've been beaten to it!

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13866167&postcount=7

So your contention is that Andaras is being baited - by being asked the same question that he is asking others, in the same thread that he started?

We should leave him alone, by not contradicting him or participating in discussion, because that might force him to troll?

So your contention is that Andaras is being baited - by being asked the same question that he is asking others, in the same thread that he started?

We should leave him alone, by not contradicting him or participating in discussion, because that might force him to troll?

It would seem the contention is more that Andaras is being baited by being chased and asked the same question over a number of threads. He has clearly said he doesn't want to answer, and its nice when someone makes this clear to respect their wishes. Asking him continually every five minutes, often away from the initial thread isn't a particularly nice thing to do.

So your contention is that Andaras is being baited - by being asked the same question that he is asking others, in the same thread that he started?

We should leave him alone, by not contradicting him or participating in discussion, because that might force him to troll?

No, my contention is that often, such as here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13865750&postcount=184), Andaras is baited into the kind of strong reactions that he gets in trouble for. Moreover, my contention is that you're not 10, and you should be intelligent enough to realize when a person is close to getting pissed off and know enough to leave it be, and you should be intelligent enough to avoid people that you have a problem with if you know you're incapable of avoiding starting something with that person if you come in contact with that person.

Asking him what his occupation is in response to his own question of others occupation is not baiting. Repeatedly asking him his occupation after he has already expressed a desire not to in increasingly obnoxious ways and in entirely unrelated threads (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13865776&postcount=187) is baiting, or at the very least, stupid.

My contention is that everyone points at Andaras for flaming and defending his views with unnecessary zeal, but the fact is that half of NSG, including myself, is guilty of pushing Andaras beyond what can be excused by "debating". When you're making a point, that's debating. When you're making your point after it's already been made by yourself and others several times over and you know your opponent is going to go off if you keep making your point, that's baiting.

For shame! STOP this nonsense now!

RhynoD, Dumb Ideologies, thank you for your sane remarks.

Trostia, Heikoku, Khadgar, Adunabar, you're on the verge of flaming in Moderation. Quit it.

Thread temporarily locked so I can deal with the actual query without finding any more idiocy to deal with.

EDIT: Yes, Andaras is being ganged up on, dogpiled, whatever you want to call it, and that is against forum rules.

Trostia, I'll reply mainly to your post, not because you're especially blameworthy, but because you've put the main problems succinctly.

So your contention is that Andaras is being baited - by being asked the same question that he is asking others, in the same thread that he started?

Andaras answered the thread question twice, in the terms that he asked others; ie, he said he was working-class. Read the thread.

The links others gave show that he is being baited for his political views in threads not connected with his political views. Those responsible -- and I'm surprised to see who’s included -- will be receiving TGs.

We should leave him alone, by not contradicting him or participating in discussion, because that might force him to troll?

Hyperbole, much? Posters should do two things: (a) practice at least a minimal level of good manners, and (b) debate. If a poster does not reply to a debating point, it is reasonable for his opponent to draw it to his attention. If he still does not reply, well, so be it. Other posters may continue debating the point, but they may not crow, personally harrass or otherwise pursue the original poster.

We keep saying this, but here it is again: play the post, not the poster.

Andaras has to learn not to incite flames, which is no doubt why Fris has already entered him in the Infraction Handicap. So does Adunabar (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13865830&postcount=316), who joins him.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561438&page=3

For the love of God, I am tired of people baiting Andaras. Just shut up already. Yes, he's a commie. Yes, everything is a capitalist conspiracy to him. We get it. Just leave him the hell alone. I can take Andaras popping in and declaring something about communism in every damn thread, but I'm getting really tired of reading three *ing pages of shyte posts going back and forth between him and other people.

RhynoD, I respect the role you've played in this dispute. However, I don't think that thread needs mod intervention at the moment. When Andaras chooses to argue coolly, he's more than able to hold his own, and the comments to which he's responding seem within the ambit of the thread. Still, I'll keep an eye on it.

(If Max receives a cease-and-desist from the Dutch Embassy, though, you're toast.)

Crazy Dutch. They would do something like that. Just to shut me up so I can't reveal the truth.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=561438&page=3

For the love of God, I am tired of people baiting Andaras. Just shut up already. Yes, he's a commie. Yes, everything is a capitalist conspiracy to him. We get it. Just leave him the hell alone. I can take Andaras popping in and declaring something about communism in every damn thread, but I'm getting really tired of reading three *ing pages of shyte posts going back and forth between him and other people.

How is that baiting? He went on a communist tirade because some nutjob eco-terrorists didn't see the inherent stupidity in burning down something to save the environment. No one goaded him into it he just went off the deep end by himself. Also link to individual posts, not pages. Possible I'm missing it, but I don't see him baited.

Yes, and continuing that line of discussion is worthless. Mostly I'm just annoyed that there are two pages of shyte about capitalist conspiracies and counter "arguments", none of which really have any substance, and if no one had responded to Andaras, it would have been left at just his post. Mind, I understand that the point of NSG is discussion, and I wouldn't have minded a couple posts about it, but two pages? That's unnecessary.

In any case, Archy's already made a decision.

You're STILL here? Didn't I tell you to get back to work. Blasted ungrateful workers. Repressing my fellow man is so much harder than it used to be. I blame those terrible unions. No one ever wants to go union-busting with me anymore...

You're STILL here? Didn't I tell you to get back to work. Blasted ungrateful workers. Repressing my fellow man is so much harder than it used to be. I blame those terrible unions. No one ever wants to go union-busting with me anymore...

I blame the Dutch.

I blame the Dutch.

I do too. *nods*

This thread isn't very good.

You must be Dutch.