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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13683937&posted=1#post13683937

Including Bush in a list of dictators. Not only is that idiotic and politically incorrect, but it's trolling as well.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13683937&posted=1#post13683937

Including Bush in a list of dictators. Not only is that idiotic and politically incorrect, but it's trolling as well.

Point missed entirely.

Calm the hell down, you're not a mod. Don't you have anything better to do than constantly patrol NSG waiting for someone to make a mistake so you can report it for brownie points?

Point missed entirely.

Calm the hell down, you're not a mod. Don't you have anything better to do than constantly patrol NSG waiting for someone to make a mistake so you can report it for brownie points?

Besides, if we were to call that trolling we would have to call anything critical of other politicians trolling.

Keep it cool, folks.

I could find some support for each of your views, if I wanted to, in the OSRS definition of trolling, and I'm sure the OP could find a defence for his, too. So it's a judgment call.

In this case, this seems to me the strongest argument:
Max Barry has made it clear that he welcomes all opinions in civil debate, even those that are highly unpopular or minority-held.

For what it's worth, "politically correct" has never, as far as I know, been a criterion for ruling threads illegal.

Nor has disagreeing with another poster ever been an acceptable excuse for abuse, RhynoD. Cut it out.

Calm the hell down, you're not a mod. Don't you have anything better to do than constantly patrol NSG waiting for someone to make a mistake so you can report it for brownie points?

Oh get off it. I reported something that was iffy, which is the responsibility of ALL NSers. I was wrong. Not the first time, not the last.

As far as brownie points go, if you were around long enough you'd know it doesn't work that way. And as far as me not being a mod, you don't say? :rolleyes:

Moderation isn't the best place to pick fights, RhynoD. Chill.

SNIP

seriously dude your on here everyday and I don't think I have ever seen the moderation forum without one of your reports

I reported something that was iffy, which is the responsibility of ALL NSers.

It is? I must have missed the memo...

It is? I must have missed the memo...

well if we didn't we would only have huge offensive posts being reported and then where would that lead us? what if we just chose to ignore naughty people?

yes, communism! (http://youtube.com/watch?v=9wO-zNWxXMM)

what if we just chose to ignore naughty people?

I'd get ignored?

I'd get ignored?

not if you do it in an amusing/arousing way;)

edit: that way trolls would be under pressure to entertain leading to a funny race! (or rather a fun run)

seriously dude your on here everyday and I don't think I have ever seen the moderation forum without one of your reports

And? Most of them get dealt with. A few, such as this one, do not. No one is perfect.

It is? I must have missed the memo...

Yes, as a matter of fact it is the responsibility of everyone on these forums to keep them clean and rule-abiding. In fact, that is the entire point of the moderation forum...reporting activities for mods to review. As they say themselves...

Believe it or not, the moderators are not all-seeing.

...so it is up to the entire community to be somewhat vigilant as far as forum rule-breaking goes. Granted I'm more vigilant than most, but a lot of what goes on here unpunished annoys me more than most, so it makes sense. Likewise, getting on my case about reporting or "calling me out" for such has happened in the past, and every single time the mods have sided with me on the fact that it is everyone's responsibility. Don't blame me just for being one of the few who actually do it.

That being said, Moderation isn't NSG. There's a certain saying that if you don't have anything to contribute, don't post here.

And? Most of them get dealt with. A few, such as this one, do not. No one is perfect.

its a tad excessive to report every infraction you see and in the nicest possible way slightly shall we say weird

Yes, as a matter of fact it is the responsibility of everyone on these forums to keep them clean and rule-abiding. In fact, that is the entire point of the moderation forum...reporting activities for mods to review. As they say themselves...

wait, when did I become assigned all this responsibility? when I clicked agree without reading anything on that document when you create your nation did I unwittingly join the NS foreign legion?

Granted I'm more vigilant than most, but a lot of what goes on here unpunished annoys me more than most, so it makes sense.

aww bless you was almost there then

tell me do you want to be part of a forum where rules are enforced to the letter every single time? can you imagine if NSG actually had spam laws enforced!

There's a certain saying that if you don't have anything to contribute, don't post here.

*resists urge to do a clever burn*

its a tad excessive to report every infraction you see and in the nicest possible way slightly shall we say weird

I work 8 hours a day when I'm not in school at a job where 7 of those hours can be spent doing nothing. I browse the forums. Yes, it is boring, but I make it meaningful. How else do you suppose I got 12,000 posts?

wait, when did I become assigned all this responsibility? when I clicked agree without reading anything on that document when you create your nation did I unwittingly join the NS foreign legion?

It's been noted numerous times in the past that it's something that posters can do, and I've noted numerous times in the past that it's something posters should do. I'm not sure if it's on the terms of the site or not. My shift is almost over. I'm not about to search for links. If everyone reported what they should, or you know, just didn't break forum rules, there would be no need. People don't report. People break rules. There is a need.

tell me do you want to be part of a forum where rules are enforced to the letter every single time?

Yes.

can you imagine if NSG actually had spam laws enforced!

Why do you think I report every one I see? Laws without enforcement are empty. I would love if NSG got a spam downgrade and an intelligence upgrade.

*resists urge to do a clever burn*

Probably wise of you, considering this is, after all, Moderation.

I browse the forums. Yes, it is boring, but I make it meaningful.

I know its the signature of a troll to poke at other peoples hobbies but duuude

People don't report. People break rules. There is a need.

because people don't see the point in doing so beyond wasting mod time hence why God invented the ignore button

Yes.

judging by how the NS equivalent of the terrors is remembered I'd hazard that forum says no

Why do you think I report every one I see? Laws without enforcement are empty. I would love if NSG got a spam downgrade and an intelligence upgrade.

1) Laws are bendy things as they should be, spam and flames can vary wildly depending on the context hence why mods have the power to make decisions instead of having a giant shrine to the NS commandments on par with the US constitution worship

2) you an I.I aren't you?

Probably wise of you, considering this is, after all, Moderation.

considering your doing my job for me...

I know its the signature of a troll to poke at other peoples hobbies but duuude

It's not a hobby. It's a way to pass time at work.

because people don't see the point in doing so beyond wasting mod time hence why God invented the ignore button

It's not wasting mod time. This is their job. And the ignore button is for specific people. You can't just "ignore all spam."

2) you an I.I aren't you?

No. I RP in NS. What's your point?

Anyhow...I think we should just agree to disagree on the matter. I'm not going to stop reporting that which needs reported, and you and some others aren't going to stop getting annoyed with me doing so. To each their own. If you don't want to see my reports, however, I suggest you use the aforementioned ignore button. Take care.

You can't just "ignore all spam."

Yes, actually, you can.

More to the point, "ignore" doesn't only mean the "ignore user" option. It also means just ignore them. It's really easy. You just pretend that they never posted.

You're not a mod. You're also not the Internet Fun Police. I know that because you don't have an IFP badge. If you had one, well that would be different, but you don't.

More to the point, "ignore" doesn't only mean the "ignore user" option. It also means just ignore them. It's really easy. You just pretend that they never posted.

You know what else I can do? Report it in Moderation. Also, I don't only report spam. I report other rulebreaking as well.

It's not a hobby. It's a way to pass time at work.

as opposed to say working or email spamming Beth in accounts? really you could do something more constructive and less anal than pawing through a forum for naughty naughty posts

It's not wasting mod time. This is their job.

no I seem to remember they volunteer to do this and as such they would rather not be flooded with unnecessary reports to keep you (and only you I guess) happy

No. I RP in NS. What's your point?

That being said, Moderation isn't NSG. There's a certain saying that if you don't have anything to contribute, don't post here.

I wonder if your saying can be construed to the talking you did in a thread that started this

perhaps generalites should police general

Anyhow...I think we should just agree to disagree on the matter.

no thats a stupid saying that just admits that you can't really justify your "work" other than a weird hobby you have

You know what else I can do? Report it in Moderation.

why? its a waste of moddly time to report general NSG bantering

Listen, I don't have to paw or search for anything. It's right there. Right out in the open. I'm tired of having to justify doing something well within the rules of the site while others defend spamming and the like. This is neither a hobby nor a mission, and agreeing to disagree is the most mature way of handling this pointless banter, not just a stupid saying. You don't have any more justification as to why I shouldn't do this than I do for doing it. You are not the first person to take issue with the simple act of reporting rule breakers, and as I've said, every single time the mods have upheld that I, or anyone else for that matter, has the right to report things. This isn't an assault on General. This isn't solely an attack on spam. It's me doing what I've done for the last five years. Get over it, ignore me, hit the ignore button on me, or whatever. Frankly I don't care.

But while we're on the subject...

You know what continuously getting on my case for simply reporting something to moderation, after it was already handled by a moderator and taken care of in the thread? It's griefing. In Moderation. Not smart.

Yes, actually, you can.

More to the point, "ignore" doesn't only mean the "ignore user" option. It also means just ignore them. It's really easy. You just pretend that they never posted.

You're not a mod. You're also not the Internet Fun Police. I know that because you don't have an IFP badge. If you had one, well that would be different, but you don't.

I seem to recall a mod specifically asking you to stop spamming in moderation, and deleting your spam posts.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13645986&postcount=68

As far as I can tell, you're not actually offering anything to the thread. As far as I know, and I'm sure I'll be corrected on this, users are only to enter threads in moderation if they have something relevant to add. I can't tell you what to do, I don't have that power, but I can help you find the rules, so I'll be back with a link to last mod offering on whether or not you should attack a poster for reporting a questionable act (and this was questionable according to the moderator who entered the thread).

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=551994&highlight=reporting

You'll notice something quite important there. But let me requote it -

Mods as a Weapon: Threatening another nation with moderation action if they don't do "action" is not allowed. Representing yourself as a moderator is considered impersonation, and is not allowed. Reporting rule-breakers through the Getting Help page or the Moderation forum is not only allowed, but encouraged. Doing so maliciously or spamming Moderation with questionable requests may invoke a penalty, at the Mod's discretion.

Hope that helps.

SB, you reported the same thread twice.

I seem to recall a mod specifically asking you to stop spamming in moderation, and deleting your spam posts.

I seem to recall you not having "Nationstates Moderator Team" under your username.

This isn't spam. It's commentary on how unnecessary this thread is, when the original thread in question was obviously not trolling, and that if SB had thought about it for more than the time it took him to make this thread, he might have realized that, and that NSG is capable of generally weeding out trolls if the need arises without going immediately to the mods. I mean, really, would have hurt anything to wait a page or two to see how the thread went?

This isn't spam.



I know what spam is.






I happen to be the god of it.

I seem to recall you not having "Nationstates Moderator Team" under your username.

This isn't spam. It's commentary on how unnecessary this thread is, when the original thread in question was obviously not trolling, and that if SB had thought about it for more than the time it took him to make this thread, he might have realized that, and that NSG is capable of generally weeding out trolls if the need arises without going immediately to the mods. I mean, really, would have hurt anything to wait a page or two to see how the thread went?

This isn't spam.



I know what spam is.






I happen to be the god of it.

You're correct I'm not a moderator. I'm simply telling you what they've ruled in the past and giving you some relevant information. If you think that moderation is a place where you can A - tell people what you think of them and argue about it and B - tell people that they are not supposed to report questionable threads completely countering the OSRS, then by all means, continue.

As far as spam -
Spam/SPAM: Off-topic, irrelevant and multi-posts that clog the server. This includes posting lots of smilies which is known as Smilie Spam. Also akin to spamming is Post-whoring which is when a player posts anything just to increase the postcount. Spamming to the point where you get deleted is known as Klamathing. Spamming in the forums should be reported through the Moderation forum, and In-game, through the Getting Help Page.

Your posts are not on the topic of the thread, nor relevant. But I'm only going by the definition of spam. By no means, am I the GOD of it.

We are able to self-police and should try to when possible. You say you're concerned about wasting the mods time. Ask yourself, is this argument helping them or wasting their time? Clearly, here, self-policing won't work. I've offered I can that is relevant, including the clear instructions of the OSRS. Per mod ruling, I'll leave no since I've got nothing else relevant to off. I'll ASK one more time that you do the same.

SB, you reported the same thread twice.

It wasn't originally. It got merged.

This isn't spam.



I know what spam is.






I happen to be the god of it.

And this is EXACTLY why I report things, because people thing that breaking the rules is fun and cool, and that reporting rulebreakers is the wrong thing to do. I don't think so.

because people don't see the point in doing so beyond wasting mod time hence why God invented the ignore button
Reported problems are not "wasting mod time", they are making our time more efficient. I can scan the moderation forum twice a day in 3-4 minutes, or I could spend hours delving through the crap. I prefer the former. Don't pretend you know what helps us, as you clearly don't.

I seem to recall you not having "Nationstates Moderator Team" under your username.
Quite correct. Players make reports. Mods make rulings.

I know what spam is.
I happen to be the god of it.
And as you clearly think this is some sort of positive thing, you get closer and closer every day to the opportunity to do it only on other sites.

My patience with your crap is not infinite, and I'm not the only one.

Thread closed.

I missed Ardchoille's "cut it out" earlier. Patience expired. 7 day ban, RhynoD.