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:( The flamebaiting, it hurts my mind so bad. *sob*

I'm pretty sure it counts as flamebaiting... does it?

Somewhat. It does happen in dogpiles.

Thread closed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13413069&postcount=38), possibly at DoubleWideville's request.

McPsychoville and Greston have been warned for their flamebaiting. Karshkovia and Belkaros have been ... noticed.

Kahanistan, Raven World and British Londinium have been thanked and appreciated, as have all the other reasonable posters who pointed out where it was heading.

Somewhat. It does happen in dogpiles.



That I can agree with, that is why I don't like Dogpiles.

Somewhat. It does happen in dogpiles.

Thread closed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13413069&postcount=38), possibly at DoubleWideville's request.

McPsychoville and Greston have been warned for their flamebaiting. Karshkovia and Belkaros have been ... noticed.

Kahanistan, Raven World and British Londinium have been thanked and appreciated, as have all the other reasonable posters who pointed out where it was heading.

I can be noticed but I wasn't flaming him. I was explaining why I was upset with DWV so folks knew I wasn't just randomly dogging him. I thought I was rather reserved about it. If that got me .... noticed.... so be it. I have many years of adult RPing (+20 actually) and I went ahead and tried to help DWV many times. I sent him many TGs explaining what he could to do improve, what not to try, and what could bring others into rping with him. I sent him TGs about trying to RP with him and all were ignored, which was ok. I tried sharing my years of experiance with him which he has ignored...again that is ok.

The thing is, many people besides myself had gone out of our way to help this player, and he has ignored all of us. When we finally 'dogpiled' on him in this thread, he snapped...but he shouldn't have because we all had tried to help and were mentioning how fed up we were with his threads and his ignoring OOC information and treating it as IC... (when I know I mentioned the difference twice in TGs) so he had no right to get upset.

The warning I can take - not particularly bothered about it either, because if you want to ban me, not a lot I can do about that either - but Raven Corps thanked and appreciated for his advice? Greston warned as well? Karshkovia NOTICED? Not to put too fine a point on this, but are you on drugs? Raven Corps' one post came from way, way up on his high horse when he decreed that we should be ashamed of ourselves, and Greston's posts were both less offensive and more justified than that shit. And Karshkovia, don't get me started. This guy is just about the best new roleplayer I've seen period - not just on here, note - and telling one absolute douchebag to shut the fuck up gets him noticed? Christ on a ten speed there's something wrong with the priorities here.

In fact, I don't see any warning or noticing for the original perpetrator of the bollocks. To quote a great social philosopher of our time, ain't that some shit.

I'm reminded of Hataria v. Hataria Haters. In that case, there was also someone who was roleplaying outside of the conventions of the community and irritating a lot of folks in the process, and some were continuing to try to help him improve, while others who should have ignored him instead attacked him OOCly.

If you can't help but behave in an insulting fashion towards another RPer, use the Jolt forum's Ignore function. Bad roleplay isn't necessarily a rules violation. But that sort of flaming and flamebaiting are definitely rules violations.

Equally, I'm reminded of that old saying that you can polish a turd to a mirror shine...but it's still a turd. DoubleWideville isn't just a bad roleplayer, he's got the attitude of someone who thinks they're a good roleplayer and will defend that perceived reputation at all costs - he's not going to accept any advice or any constructive criticism, so trying is a waste of a good words. And I agree, flamebaiting is a rules violation. Makes me wonder why the original piece of flamebaiting was never warned. You know, the one linked to in the first post of this topic.

Equally, I'm reminded of that old saying that you can polish a turd to a mirror shine...but it's still a turd. DoubleWideville isn't just a bad roleplayer, he's got the attitude of someone who thinks they're a good roleplayer and will defend that perceived reputation at all costs - he's not going to accept any advice or any constructive criticism, so trying is a waste of a good words. And I agree, flamebaiting is a rules violation. Makes me wonder why the original piece of flamebaiting was never warned. You know, the one linked to in the first post of this topic.

Ardchoille actually did warn him to avoid giving in to provocation in her post in the thread where the incident occurred.

That I can agree with, that is why I don't like Dogpiles.

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I will only point to THIS (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=547027) as it speaks for itself. No flame...but let's all be honest ok?

I maybe could have worded things differently, perhaps, but this doesn't mean that DWV gets a pass. I mentioned to all to ignore him and that is just what I have done. Let us all agree to just put him on ignore and maybe he can either take some of the advice or watch others threads and gather experience that way. Out of sight, out of mind and no one will post things at him that would get themselves in trouble.

Yes. I'll give you two cents and an invitation to shut the fuck up, because you're crazily annoying.
I will up the ante with 3 cents and an invitation to STOP BEING A DUMBASS, AND UNTIL YOU DO, SHUT THE FUCK UP!
Let me top the bid at 4 cents and add a big cup of STFU please.
I will top even that and put in 5 cents, a cup of STFU, The Dummies Guide on not How to be a Dumbass, and the head Gomer.

and, later ...

<snip>ooc: I honestly believe he is just getting a kick out of our responses so I call upon everyone to ignore him from this point out. If he makes a thread, don't even read it. If he posts a response in your thread, ignore it as if he wasn't there and ask a mod to remove it ...


blah blah blah whine whine whine bitchy fishcakes

Nobody cares any more. Not content with being possibly the worst serious roleplayer I've seen in bloody ages, you've displayed all the personality and charm of a zit. One more thing - you're selling their assets which are on the land that every other nation except your fetid cesspool recognises as Grestonian, Allanean and Ryou. You think their militaries won't step in because...? Last time I checked, getting shot at is not something you can not recognise in the real world.

You don't like being called on your attitude to another poster?

Tough.

You think that being an undeniably good roleplayer is a good reason to join in a dogpile?

It's not. Karshkovia did the right thing in trying to help by TG, but the wrong thing in joining in in that fashion.

You expect a poster to remain polite in the face of the sort of thing you and others were tossing at him?

You're right. So he should. DoubleWideville should have bitten his tongue and said nothing. However, I looked at his comment(s) in context, noted that he was a new player and gave him some friendly advice.

I'll also give you some: be more forgiving or, if you can't, steer clear of those who annoy you.

*Puts bullet in head* Okay, so I am not allowed to annoyed when he says he took my land, kicked my citzens out of MY country. Then he goes and sells imaginary stuff that he stole from my nation. I did not flame in that thread. i did have a few comments on my mind but decided not to say it because I don't like getting yelled at by the mods. But still I get warned. I love life.

*Puts bullet in head* Okay, so I am not allowed to annoyed when he says he took my land, kicked my citzens out of MY country. Then he goes and sells imaginary stuff that he stole from my nation. I did not flame in that thread. i did have a few comments on my mind but decided not to say it because I don't like getting yelled at by the mods. But still I get warned. I love life.

Just put his entire nation on ignore. He can't do anything to your nation if he's ignored. Right?

Just put his entire nation on ignore. He can't do anything to your nation if he's ignored. Right?

Yes, that is true, but I still wanted to defend myself, as some people, very few but some none the less, were actually bidding on it, not including the fake bids ranging from 1 to 5 cents.

McPsychoville: Your sig is too long.

What makes you lot think that just because the guy doens't RP the same as the rest of you, you get to ignore the rules and treat him like crap? Help him become better, don't try to run him out of town because he isn't part of one of the little cliques around here.

What makes you lot think that just because the guy doens't RP the same as the rest of you, you get to ignore the rules and treat him like crap? Help him become better, don't try to run him out of town because he isn't part of one of the little cliques around here.

Before you decide to be the defender of the oppressed, you really need to READ and COMPREHEND what others have written. Help him instead of treat him like crap? I already answered that I put a hell of a lot of work trying to help him and have stated that numerous times in various threads. I've gone well beyond trying to help him in TG and in the threads. It isn't a matter of helping him (I've tried), but that he does not believe that he is doing anything wrong in his RP (which he has stated). It also isn't a matter that he RPs differently. He God modes horribly (which is against the rules and bannable if I recall).

So yes, I am justified in ignoring him and if that helps run him out of town, so be it. I tried to help (and put over 2 hours into all the TGs alone), he not only ignored it he stated that we were wrong in making and suggestions and it was our RP that was wrong.

Yes, I'm a little aggravated by him but when someone that has no history in these threads does a drive-by comment that we have no right to ignore or call him on his actions, then that really takes the cake. So no, you have no right in saying "boo" in this at all. Thanks though.

Before you decide to be the defender of the oppressed, you really need to READ and COMPREHEND what others have written. Help him instead of treat him like crap? I already answered that I put a hell of a lot of work trying to help him and have stated that numerous times in various threads. I've gone well beyond trying to help him in TG and in the threads. It isn't a matter of helping him (I've tried), but that he does not believe that he is doing anything wrong in his RP (which he has stated). It also isn't a matter that he RPs differently. He God modes horribly (which is against the rules and bannable if I recall).

So yes, I am justified in ignoring him and if that helps run him out of town, so be it. I tried to help (and put over 2 hours into all the TGs alone), he not only ignored it he stated that we were wrong in making and suggestions and it was our RP that was wrong.

Yes, I'm a little aggravated by him but when someone that has no history in these threads does a drive-by comment that we have no right to ignore or call him on his actions, then that really takes the cake. So no, you have no right in saying "boo" in this at all. Thanks though.

There is a difference between ignoring someone and joining in on taunting them, if I recall correctly... and ignoring a person generally does not include the oh so polite acronym of STFU. It includes not responding in any way, shape or form to any silly thing they might say.

The ignore button is a wonderful thing -- it precludes having to have the moral strength to let things one finds insulting or stupid pass by without comment; it simply prevents one from seeing all things from a poster no matter how much they might agitate one.

Godmoding, Godmodding, and Wanking: The general idea behind godmoding, as its name makes evident, is making yourself or your nation godlike in power and unable to die. It is commonly used by first-time roleplayers, and is frequently accompanied by Smilie Spam (see below). Under most circumstances, godmoddery is not a moderation offense unless it turns to spam. At that point, godmode n00b wars will often be locked or moved to the spam forum. Note that flaming in response to n00bish behavior is still forbidden. For more information, see this thread. http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784641&postcount=3