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Illegal Link?

Kyronea
10-01-2008, 06:26
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13356315&postcount=24

Are links to Stormfront banned? I believe they are, but I might be wrong.
Ardchoille
10-01-2008, 08:03
I thought they were too, but I can't find any specific reference to Stormfront in the OSRS. What I can find is links in other threads that haven't been modedited (which may simply be because mods didn't see them at the time).

Max has said repeatedly that he wants people to be able to put unpopular views so they can be debated, on the basis that 20 posts rebutting a position logically should make clear that the position is, at best, flawed.

So, anyway, I'm taking it that it's case-by-case. The particular page the poster has linked to is a bunch of posts about the American election. The posts aren't Fred Phelps-type hate rants and there are no graphic pics. That being so, it seems fair to leave them as the poster's support for his argument.

It's page 404 of a 1066-page thread, and I haven't read through every page. If anyone finds anything grossly offensive under the general Forbidden Links rulings on other pages, link, don't quote, as Kyronea wisely did. Likewise, if anyone finds a specific Stormfront-is-banned ruling, please post it here.

Whether the link stays or goes -- currently, it stays -- I'm not taking any action against the poster for what is obviously an honestly intended post.
Smunkeeville
10-01-2008, 16:38
I was under the understanding that it was banned because it was like so hateful that it was unproductive to link it, like the Phelp's pages and stuff, but I haven't been able to find a clear ban on it either. I wonder if it wasn't one of those pages that might have acceptable things, but because the page has so many unacceptable things it wasn't allowed (like ebaums and such). I can't click it at my current location to check it out, and I can't offhand remember what was wrong with it, other than obvious problems of things I don't agree with.
Laerod
10-01-2008, 16:52
I was under the understanding that it was banned because it was like so hateful that it was unproductive to link it, like the Phelp's pages and stuff, but I haven't been able to find a clear ban on it either. I wonder if it wasn't one of those pages that might have acceptable things, but because the page has so many unacceptable things it wasn't allowed (like ebaums and such). I can't click it at my current location to check it out, and I can't offhand remember what was wrong with it, other than obvious problems of things I don't agree with.I'm pretty sure Fass asked back when he was still Fass why he couldn't link to Phelps' pages to show how bigoted they were. So, in my memory, there has been a ruling that linking to GHF is prohibited, on grounds of it being malicious.
Ardchoille
11-01-2008, 00:13
Thanks for your help. Yeah, the Phelps ones are banned -- unless he has suddenly developed some that don't rant, don't say "godhatesX" and don't include a pic that would be enough to axe the site by itself.

I guess this comes back to player discretion. If someone posts a site that's outside the limits set in the rules, even if it's not specifically named as forbidden, they should have had more sense and they take what comes.

In the case of the one Kyronea posted about, I'm leaving it as is.
Ohshucksiforgotourname
11-01-2008, 04:04
I thought they were too, but I can't find any specific reference to Stormfront in the OSRS. What I can find is links in other threads that haven't been modedited (which may simply be because mods didn't see them at the time).

Max has said repeatedly that he wants people to be able to put unpopular views so they can be debated, on the basis that 20 posts rebutting a position logically should make clear that the position is, at best, flawed.

So, anyway, I'm taking it that it's case-by-case. The particular page the poster has linked to is a bunch of posts about the American election. The posts aren't Fred Phelps-type hate rants and there are no graphic pics. That being so, it seems fair to leave them as the poster's support for his argument.

It's page 404 of a 1066-page thread, and I haven't read through every page. If anyone finds anything grossly offensive under the general Forbidden Links rulings on other pages, link, don't quote, as Kyronea wisely did. Likewise, if anyone finds a specific Stormfront-is-banned ruling, please post it here.

Whether the link stays or goes -- currently, it stays -- I'm not taking any action against the poster for what is obviously an honestly intended post.

How do I link to a post on NSG? I've seen other posts where people link to other threads and posts, but I don't know how to do it. I know how to link to other web pages, but not NSG posts.
Barringtonia
11-01-2008, 04:24
How do I link to a post on NSG? I've seen other posts where people link to other threads and posts, but I don't know how to do it. I know how to link to other web pages, but not NSG posts.

See the number of your post - #6 - on the top right corner of the post?

Click on that and you'll get a page with only your post on it, you can c+p the URL and then the usual.

Well that's how I do it.