NationStates Jolt Archive


Trolling

IDF
05-01-2008, 23:14
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13345337&postcount=46

I'm pretty certain he had his last nation banned for such a post. He keeps making provocative posts with no backing and then refuses to defend them. I chose not to respond as it isn't worth getting myself banned. I decided I'd just turn this over to you guys.
Ardchoille
06-01-2008, 13:05
Congratulations on not getting involved, IDF. Though the OP has tried hard to keep the debate on-topic, it does seem to have a lot of restatement of known positions.

What cost the poster his previous nation was not the opinions he expressed, but his continued and accumulated failures to express them without flaming or trolling.

I think that the post you cite is, like some others in the thread, known positions, using familiar catchwords. It may not be a popular position, but it's consistent with views he's expressed previously, attacks no specific poster and contains no call to specific violence. That being so, I don't consider it flaming or trolling. It's not against the rules to leave a discussion.

If I've misunderstood the point of your objection, feel free to clarify with the same praiseworthy restraint you've shown so far.
The Most Glorious Hack
06-01-2008, 13:24
His sig was too long, though.
Ardchoille
06-01-2008, 13:57
*Hack applies Ubiquitous Chainsaw* :D
Krow Liliowych
06-01-2008, 23:04
I think it could be argued that the poster is trolling for Zionists, especially Zionist Jews. I have never met a Jew of any kind that does not take extreme offence at being compared to a Nazi. That being said, the only thing in the post that I see that would merit a warning/'knock it off' according to precedents I have seen in my NS tenure would be the use of the term "Zionazi."

/twocents
Ardchoille
07-01-2008, 00:28
It did make me uneasy, but I figured that we have allowed pejorative terms for other groupings. I don't like the idea of blanket bans on individual words; words have different values in different contexts. Anyway, as there's a concern, I'll ask for a review.
IDF
07-01-2008, 06:17
It did make me uneasy, but I figured that we have allowed pejorative terms for other groupings. I don't like the idea of blanket bans on individual words; words have different values in different contexts. Anyway, as there's a concern, I'll ask for a review.

Thank you. I can take most of his stuff, but the term Zionazi is one he uses for no other purpose than to agitate. He could make his same point with much less provocative wording. The term itself does nothing but troll and invite flames. Of course, that is just my opinion, and it is your call to make.
Ardchoille
08-01-2008, 02:31
Reviewed, and the response is that if mods took action every time people accused their opponents of Nazism, we'd never stop.

It is, as usual, a matter of context; and two mods (me, Hack) have already looked at the post in context, and not seen it as actionable.

Now that you've made clear that you dislike the term Zionazi, it would be both polite and prudent for your opponents not to use it directly about you personally (ie, about you-the-poster). But for use in a discussion of your arguments or policies, or anybody else's, it's the usual judgment call.