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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=13201259#post13201259

Already? I've never seen someone so deliberately unclear on the concept.

That was quick. Thanks Hack!

I appreciate the mod intervention, but as I was the one who was flamed, I felt no compunction to report it.
Dixie isnt really debating, and if he/she is, he/she is horrible at it.

I didnt need to run to to the mods, becuase someone used some bad language at me. Im sure they have better things to do.

My only real concern is the the poster continues to re-hash the same arguement, despite being shown quite clearly how wrong he/she is, and is doing nothing to further the thread.
If Dix keeps refusing to add anything constructive to the nature of the debate, THEN I'd like to see some intervention, provided more forum rules are broken.

The constant derrogatory usage of the term "liberals" is also frustrating, but not exactly breaking any rules.

On the other hand, I've personally been forum banned for less...

*shrug*

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13203616&postcount=992

I don't think calling someone, even Dixie, a dumbfuck is a good idea. Flamebait, flaming, trolling? Mods' call.

Plus I am inclined to agree with BackwoodsSquatches, Dixie is just recycling his/her material. It doesn't look like Dixie is offering anything other than ad nauseum arguments for the sake of being annoying.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13203839&postcount=1056

Mmm liberal scum.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13203839&postcount=1056

Mmm liberal scum.

It seems like he was baited to me. Which doesn't excuse his actions, but it is something to point out.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13203905&postcount=1068
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13203921&postcount=1076

This whole bit about liberals from Dixie is getting old and annoying. I wager this could be considered trolling given the history of the poster in this thread.

Since this is in the same thread, I'd thought I'd put it here.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13204873&postcount=1192

I think this guy needs to be informed of the rules.

Hahhh... It only took me a few posts to become legendary here! I am impressed with myself! When posters start making threads about someone, you can bet that someone touched a nerve. Glad I could oblige!

As for the rules here, I have about figured them out. If you're a liberal, you can get away with pretty much anything... call people 'bigot' or 'nutcase' and make all sorts of snide comments and incorrect assumptions about their character... call them liars on a regular basis... the liberal mods just chuckle and smile, as the liberals line up to take pot shots at the lone conservative. If and when the lone conservative responds in kind, some pinhead mod comes in and bans him for "breaking the rules".... all the liberals cheer! Oh, it's a wonderful set up you guys have here! A regular Liberal Utopia as message boards go! Now, free speech be damned, who needs that mucking up your liberal message?

The reason I tend to enrage liberals is, I speak the truth and they can't refute it. It frustrates them, to the point of having to run off and post threads bitching about me, as we have here. Their liberal talking points don't phase me, I illustrate how absurd they are, sometimes with my own absurdity, and then reiterate my points... that really pisses 'em off. They will try to intimidate me with their 'credentials' and again, I am unphased by it, I just keep driving my point home in spite of the braggadocio. They will try to twist my comments into arguments they can prevail with, and I don't allow them to. I will repeatedly correct their misinterpretations, and demand they quote me correctly, and this upsets and frustrates them even more. Apparently, they are used to conservatives rolling over and accepting whatever they dish out. Homie don't roll that way.

Some people fear getting banned, and they will watch what they say here, because they are intimidated by the wop-sided moderation, but I don't really care. I've been kicked off of message boards before, and I probably will be again, doesn't phase me a bit. In fact, I wear it as a badge of honor, and from my perspective, it reaffirms the point that this is a liberal board where conservative ideas are not welcome, and nothing remotely close to 'free speech' is allowed here. One thing about me, I am always going to say what I think, like it or not, I am going to say it. If you want to ban me for that, it's fine, I completely understand, people often don't like hearing the truth.

I have no idea where they think I am negatively using the term 'liberal' in my comments, I only say what is the truth about liberals. It amazes me how ashamed of the label they are, they come up with all of these ways to 'redefine' what they call themselves... I'm not a liberal, I am progressive! Oh, I am not a liberal, I am 'moderate'! Seems they would be proud to be liberals, but they don't act like they are at all. I guess it stems from the fact they fully understand that Liberalism is Socialism, and they don't want to be seen as Socialists. Look around this forum and see how many of them are bashing Christians and religion on a daily basis... yet, the truthful and honest assertion they are 'godless' is met with indignant complaint, and they run off whining to the mods and have me banned. I've insulted them by saying they are 'godless' after they totally trashed religion or Christians... boo-frikin-hoo! Again, people often don't like hearing the truth!

And some people have a shaky grip on reality. Play by the same rules as everyone else and be civil -- that's all anyone is asking of you. Continue to flame and flamebait and lose your nation.

Dead simple.

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Dixie, have you stop to consider the thought that people don;t like you because you have an attitude problem? You make claims, yet you fail to source those claims.

Conservative ideas are welcome. Acting like an infantile minded brat having a tantrum because he/she can't get their way is another thing entirely. You have shown that you are willing to ignore facts, or rather just refute the ones that fit in your line of thinking. If you answered people who want an honest debate, there would be no need to insult people for being "liberal".

Also, capital "L" Liberal is a political party, not necessarily a political ideology. (just a little FYI for you).

You complain when people label your character (ie: calling you a liar, to cite one of your examples) yet you stubbornly persist in labelling everyone who displays anything other than a conservative view as a liberal. The pot calling the kettle black much?

There is nothing wrong with the word liberal, but tone and context is a big factor in how people interpret what you say. You can complain but the fact remains that you have structured your statements in ways that tend to rub people the wrong way and come across as being antagonistic; hostile if you will.

Let me tell you a secret, the only reason it appears that there are more so-called "liberals" here is because we "liberals" tend to try and act civilly, which is why there is more of us as we are less likely to get banned from here (though it doesn't mean we don't. There are plenty who have in the past).

I'm only saying this for your benefit. If you want to be taken seriously, you are expected to display some form of decorum. This might be conceding when factual information is presented and you're unable to refute it with your own. If you were able to provide proof of your claims, we might take you seriously but there is one thing that is obvious, you failed to source your claims.

I just hope the mods are in a good mood when they read your rant.

You should note, I report anyone regardless of beliefs. Yet after reading your posts I briefly contemplated deleting a post in which I report someone being hostile toward you. But I didn't in the end.

Just think about that.

And some people have a shaky grip on reality. Play by the same rules as everyone else and be civil -- that's all anyone is asking of you. Continue to flame and flamebait and lose your nation.

Dead simple.

This from a Mod? You just insulted me six ways from Sunday with your comments and insinuations. Go ban yourself! I have played by the same rules, I have not flamed or flamebaited anyone at any time here, or anywhere. I have spoken the truth and people didn't like it, so they bitched to you, and since you don't particularly like me or agree with my views, you banned me. That is pretty much the "rule" here, and everyone with any sense knows it.

Dixie, have you stop to consider the thought that people don;t like you because you have an attitude problem? You make claims, yet you fail to source those claims.

Conservative ideas are welcome. Acting like an infantile minded brat having a tantrum because he/she can't get their way is another thing entirely. You have shown that you are willing to ignore facts, or rather just refute the ones that fit in your line of thinking. If you answered people who want an honest debate, there would be no need to insult people for being "liberal".

Also, capital "L" Liberal is a political party, not necessarily a political ideology. (just a little FYI for you).

You complain when people label your character (ie: calling you a liar, to cite one of your examples) yet you stubbornly persist in labelling everyone who displays anything other than a conservative view as a liberal. The pot calling the kettle black much?

There is nothing wrong with the word liberal, but tone and context is a big factor in how people interpret what you say. You can complain but the fact remains that you have structured your statements in ways that tend to rub people the wrong way and come across as being antagonistic; hostile if you will.

Let me tell you a secret, the only reason it appears that there are more so-called "liberals" here is because we "liberals" tend to try and act civilly, which is why there is more of us as we are less likely to get banned from here (though it doesn't mean we don't. There are plenty who have in the past).

I'm only saying this for your benefit. If you want to be taken seriously, you are expected to display some form of decorum. This might be conceding when factual information is presented and you're unable to refute it with your own. If you were able to provide proof of your claims, we might take you seriously but there is one thing that is obvious, you failed to source your claims.

I just hope the mods are in a good mood when they read your rant.

You should note, I report anyone regardless of beliefs. Yet after reading your posts I briefly contemplated deleting a post in which I report someone being hostile toward you. But I didn't in the end.

Just think about that.

Okay, so after the Mod insults me, here comes Lib #2 to hurl another insult at me, and procede to lecture me on board decorum. Nice! You guys have it all figured out here, like a little army of libs supporting each other in battle. Never stopping once to realize what a bunch of absolute hypocrites you are. You want to claim I have not "sourced my claims" or whatever, but really now, who is going to change anyone's mind here? I know how it works... I provide sources, you shoot them down, proclaim yourself victorious, end of debate. I'm not a noob at this. Even if I provided you a source you accepted and revered otherwise, you would pick the words you wanted to focus on and ignore the rest, you're not going to accept my sources regardless, so what is the point? I'm not here to provide skeet practice for you, I am here to express my views and opinions. You can accept them, ignore them, agree or disagree with them, or you can just whine and moan about them and try to get me banned. For me, life goes on either way! :p

I can't help but praise the patience of our moderator team.


Really, while I think the moderators are right in just ignoring all these remarks, it's not a common sight today.
Dixieanna, I think it's better to argue in the appropriate thread, however. Here it's absolute off-topic, you're talking to vacuum.

Hahhh... It only took me a few posts to become legendary here!' <--evidence of shaky grip on reality.

I am impressed with myself! When posters start making threads about someone, you can bet that someone touched a nerve. Glad I could oblige! <-- evidence of willful trolling.

As for the rules here, I have about figured them out. If you're a liberal, you can get away with pretty much anything... call people 'bigot' or 'nutcase' and make all sorts of snide comments and incorrect assumptions about their character... call them liars on a regular basis... the liberal mods just chuckle and smile, as the liberals line up to take pot shots at the lone conservative. If and when the lone conservative responds in kind, some pinhead mod comes in and bans him for "breaking the rules".... all the liberals cheer! Oh, it's a wonderful set up you guys have here! A regular Liberal Utopia as message boards go! Now, free speech be damned, who needs that mucking up your liberal message? <--further evidence of shaky grip on reality.

The reason I tend to enrage liberals is, I speak the truth and they can't refute it. It frustrates them, to the point of having to run off and post threads bitching about me, as we have here. Their liberal talking points don't phase me, I illustrate how absurd they are, sometimes with my own absurdity, and then reiterate my points... that really pisses 'em off. They will try to intimidate me with their 'credentials' and again, I am unphased by it, I just keep driving my point home in spite of the braggadocio. They will try to twist my comments into arguments they can prevail with, and I don't allow them to. I will repeatedly correct their misinterpretations, and demand they quote me correctly, and this upsets and frustrates them even more. Apparently, they are used to conservatives rolling over and accepting whatever they dish out. Homie don't roll that way. <--flamebaiting, trolling, and still more evidence of shaky grip on reality.

Some people fear getting banned, and they will watch what they say here, because they are intimidated by the wop-sided moderation, but I don't really care. I've been kicked off of message boards before, and I probably will be again, doesn't phase me a bit. In fact, I wear it as a badge of honor, and from my perspective, it reaffirms the point that this is a liberal board where conservative ideas are not welcome, and nothing remotely close to 'free speech' is allowed here. One thing about me, I am always going to say what I think, like it or not, I am going to say it. If you want to ban me for that, it's fine, I completely understand, people often don't like hearing the truth. <-- further proof of willful trolling, along with shaky grip on reality.

I have no idea where they think I am negatively using the term 'liberal' in my comments, I only say what is the truth about liberals. It amazes me how ashamed of the label they are, they come up with all of these ways to 'redefine' what they call themselves... I'm not a liberal, I am progressive! Oh, I am not a liberal, I am 'moderate'! Seems they would be proud to be liberals, but they don't act like they are at all. I guess it stems from the fact they fully understand that Liberalism is Socialism, and they don't want to be seen as Socialists. Look around this forum and see how many of them are bashing Christians and religion on a daily basis... yet, the truthful and honest assertion they are 'godless' is met with indignant complaint, and they run off whining to the mods and have me banned. I've insulted them by saying they are 'godless' after they totally trashed religion or Christians... boo-frikin-hoo! Again, people often don't like hearing the truth! flamebaiting, and yet more evidence of shaky grip on reality.

Okay, so after the Mod insults me, here comes Lib #2 to hurl another insult at me, and procede to lecture me on board decorum. Nice! You guys have it all figured out here, like a little army of libs supporting each other in battle. Never stopping once to realize what a bunch of absolute hypocrites you are. You want to claim I have not "sourced my claims" or whatever, but really now, who is going to change anyone's mind here? I know how it works... I provide sources, you shoot them down, proclaim yourself victorious, end of debate. I'm not a noob at this. Even if I provided you a source you accepted and revered otherwise, you would pick the words you wanted to focus on and ignore the rest, you're not going to accept my sources regardless, so what is the point? I'm not here to provide skeet practice for you, I am here to express my views and opinions. You can accept them, ignore them, agree or disagree with them, or you can just whine and moan about them and try to get me banned. For me, life goes on either way! :p

Uhm... saying someone has an attitude problem is a far cry from calling someone liberal scum because the first is critical of the person's behaviour, and given that you have very few posts, this is pretty much all you've shown to us, so this is all we have to judge you on. If you don't want to be judged harshly perhaps guarded words are something that you may want to consider.

Criticising someone for acting like a child is not the same as attacking the beliefs. There are posts that are there that can show where this sort of interpretation of actions can be derived from. Now, if I was calling your names rather than criticising your behaviour, I'd say you have a point. But attacking behaviour

Saying that something is in the Bible is not providing a source. Providing a source means you put in the relevant passage to prove your point or link to another site that shares the same interpretation that you do. Merely stating that something exists in a long document and expecting people to go digging is not sourcing. Nor is interpreting.

I just find it sad that you associate my critical view of your behaviour as flaming. I could have used words that were far more nasty than the ones that are highlighted in red. And mods, I'll shut up now.

Dixie you can reply and I'll read but I'll leave it at this. I used to be hotheaded like you and ready to believe that criticism of my behaviour was flaming but then I realised, maybe there is a reason I'm being told certain things, I am probably not acting in a constructive way.

Okay, so after the Mod insults me, here comes Lib #2 to hurl another insult at me, and procede to lecture me on board decorum. Nice!Just some friendly advice from someone with a bit of time on the forums:
People with very high post counts, joining dates long past, a moderator title, or all of the former will know much more about forum decorum than someone that hasn't been around for a while. I haven't been around for a while, but I doubt the modus operandi here has changed much. Someone claiming "to know the truth", "the big liberal conspiracy is after them", and "to be part of the moral majority" comes round every month or so. Those that don't learn how to be civil, even with opinions so extreme they seem made up, usually don't stay long.

<--evidence of shaky grip on reality.
<--flamebaiting, trolling, and still more evidence of shaky grip on reality.
<-- further proof of willful trolling, along with shaky grip on reality.
flamebaiting, and yet more evidence of shaky grip on reality.

Flamebaiting: mild. Dixieanna is outnumbered, that excuses a bit surely?

Willful trolling I agree with. Those were kinda confessions of such, particularly as they were posted HERE.

Shaky grip on reality? That's a judgement either of the person or of their beliefs, and surely should not be said HERE with the mod hat on ?

It's totally a mod call on the baiting and trolling thing. The "shaky grip on reality?" Why even mention it, doesn't it just play right to Dixieanna's contention that he's getting mod attention FOR HIS STATED BELIEFS ?

I have but two questions then:

Legendary? In whose mind?

Legendary? In whose mind?

In the mind of those who wilfully delude themselves.

Flamebaiting: mild. Dixieanna is outnumbered, that excuses a bit surely?

Willful trolling I agree with. Those were kinda confessions of such, particularly as they were posted HERE.

Shaky grip on reality? That's a judgement either of the person or of their beliefs, and surely should not be said HERE with the mod hat on ?

It's totally a mod call on the baiting and trolling thing. The "shaky grip on reality?" Why even mention it, doesn't it just play right to Dixieanna's contention that he's getting mod attention FOR HIS STATED BELIEFS ?

"Shaky Grip on Reality" isn't a judgement of either the person or their beliefs. but the fact that the person is either 1) ignoring all counter arguments, 2) re-interpreting the posts to think they mean something else ("it's against the law to pass a school bus while it's warning lights are on." ---> "why the hell is the Government telling me I can never pass a slow moving bus... well that's what you just said!!" 3) calling themself 'legendary'.

EDIT: also, if "Shaky Grip on Reality" is actionable, think about all the religious threads where people say "anyone who believes in an invisible man in the sky is crazy" is also actionable. ;)

I never said a shaky grip on reality was actionable. Was simply pointing it out.

The willful trolling and flamebaiting is, though.

"Shaky Grip on Reality" isn't a judgement of either the person or their beliefs. but the fact that the person is either 1) ignoring all counter arguments, 2) re-interpreting the posts to think they mean something else ("it's against the law to pass a school bus while it's warning lights are on." ---> "why the hell is the Government telling me I can never pass a slow moving bus... well that's what you just said!!" 3) calling themself 'legendary'.

All perfectly good reasons to attack another poster. With vigour and as much harsh language as it takes to get that person's attention, within the rules.

My point is that Kat, who we are lucky enough to have post right in among us in the threads (in a decent and egalitarian way which I admire) is

DEBATING IN MODERATION.

How is anyone supposed to know when she has the mod hat on, then?


EDIT: also, if "Shaky Grip on Reality" is actionable, think about all the religious threads where people say "anyone who believes in an invisible man in the sky is crazy" is also actionable. ;)

Exactly, precisely my point. I have a shaky grip on reality sometimes myself, I expect to be called on it ... but it is no way a contributing factor in a mod decision as to banning or deletion of an account. Being a nutter is not against the rules.

This from a Mod? You just insulted me six ways from Sunday with your comments and insinuations. Go ban yourself! I have played by the same rules, I have not flamed or flamebaited anyone at any time here, or anywhere. I have spoken the truth and people didn't like it, so they bitched to you, and since you don't particularly like me or agree with my views, you banned me. That is pretty much the "rule" here, and everyone with any sense knows it.



Okay, so after the Mod insults me, here comes Lib #2 to hurl another insult at me, and procede to lecture me on board decorum. Nice! You guys have it all figured out here, like a little army of libs supporting each other in battle. Never stopping once to realize what a bunch of absolute hypocrites you are. You want to claim I have not "sourced my claims" or whatever, but really now, who is going to change anyone's mind here? I know how it works... I provide sources, you shoot them down, proclaim yourself victorious, end of debate. I'm not a noob at this. Even if I provided you a source you accepted and revered otherwise, you would pick the words you wanted to focus on and ignore the rest, you're not going to accept my sources regardless, so what is the point? I'm not here to provide skeet practice for you, I am here to express my views and opinions. You can accept them, ignore them, agree or disagree with them, or you can just whine and moan about them and try to get me banned. For me, life goes on either way! :p

So calling a Moderator a "pinhead" is not flaming? She's right when she says you have a shaky grip on reality. There are others of us here who have certain conservative opinions and we are not banned for them. As a matter of fact I have never been banned here. This is because I can debate in a respectful manner with others here at NSG. I may not agree with them but I always try to remain civil. You would do well to do the same.

As for your "debating" skills you have been weighed, measured, and found to be lacking. You spout off some nonsense and if you do source it then it comes from a site that all recognize to have no impartiality at all. You want to debate? We're all open to that option if you are. When you post something of substance I'll dare to enter your thread. Otherwise I'll ignore you as I do now.

I am a moderate libertarian who leans right on most fiscal issues and more neutral when it comes to social issues. Part of being a libertarian means I believe in the individual above the herd, and the right to have your life be as you wish it to be. You have the right to free speech but not the right to attack others. Especially when you're a keyboard thug who would never dare say most of these things to someone's face. I damn sure know you wouldn't say it to me. I'd have to show you what "military code of justice" truly means. These are the rules of NSG so live by them or get deated.

To the mods, I'm sorry for overstepping my bounds here. I just thought some helpful advice would be beneficial to our new "friend."

I never said a shaky grip on reality was actionable. Was simply pointing it out.

You were using legitimate debating technique, as any ordinary poster is entitled to do. Whether I thought you won the point or not is just irrelevant.

The willful trolling and flamebaiting is, though.

Good. I'm glad that at least there is a clear distinction now.

(End of case put to moderation, start of chat post.)
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Kat, you should hang up the hat for a day, a week or whatever. Just come post and have fun. You might never want to go back ... but that's better than seeing you crack up and get booted from the mod team.

My point is that Kat, who we are lucky enough to have post right in among us in the threads (in a decent and egalitarian way which I admire) is

DEBATING IN MODERATION.

How is anyone supposed to know when she has the mod hat on, then?


me personally, I thought this was more Kat trying to instruct the poster on what is or isn't actionable/allowed. Dixianna and you pointed out the 'grip on reality' as being possibly actionable while Kat only pointed out the willful flame/flamebaiting/trolling as the only actionable things that concerned her.

also the shaky comment seemed to me that it was pointed to people in general, not any specific person... not an insult that it was claimed to be... tho I can also see where people (in general, not anyone specific) can mis read that to mean someone specifically.

My point is that Kat, who we are lucky enough to have post right in among us in the threads (in a decent and egalitarian way which I admire) is

DEBATING IN MODERATION.

How is anyone supposed to know when she has the mod hat on, then?

Well... generally people know when I have the mod hat on when I say, "You're warned for X" or "If you keep on doing Y, Z is going to happen."

Oddly enough, I'm hoping Dixieanna will catch a clue without me having to take out the clue bat.

As someone who has been disciplined by this mod team, (rightly so, I was being an ass), just judging between my last post and this one, I cant believe you havent deat'ed yet.

It happened to me when I flamed a Mod, and I didnt even call anyone a "pinhead".

Well... generally people know when I have the mod hat on when I say, "You're warned for X" or "If you keep on doing Y, Z is going to happen."

Oddly enough, I'm hoping Dixieanna will catch a clue without me having to take out the clue bat.

So, you've been posting in Moderation, without the Mod hat on.

You have been debating in Moderation, in other words.

Please don't take this personally, I like your posts and you seem a mature, sensible person, but ...

I won't post here again until some other mod has ruled on this matter. I will abide unconditionally by the decision of any one mod, and only re-enter the case if asked by some other mod.

There is another matter I will moot, and that is that you misuse mod power by posting in the forums (not here) while appearing always offline. This is not an 'advantage of stealth' available to ordinary posters.

I believe that one of the three following applies:

You don't know the line between mod power and ordinary posting.
You are deliberately confusing that line 'cos you're sick of the job.
There is a mod-team policy to make ordinary posters lose touch with reality.


I am now resting my case.

There is another matter I will moot, and that is that you misuse mod power by posting in the forums (not here) while appearing always offline. This is not an 'advantage of stealth' available to ordinary posters.

I believe that one of the three following applies:

You don't know the line between mod power and ordinary posting.
You are deliberately confusing that line 'cos you're sick of the job.
There is a mod-team policy to make ordinary posters lose touch with reality.


I am now resting my case.

I suppose you're entitled to your opinion but:

What difference does it make if I appear "invisible" or not? How is that an abuse? If people post and I post back, I'm here. If people need a moderator fast, they go to #themodcave.

1) I do know, quite well, the line between mod power and ordinary posting. I'm sorry if you find it confusing, but I am allowed opinions. I am allowed to debate. I am allowed to decide not to officially warn and simply point out where someone's behaving badly in the hopes they'll self-correct. I am also allowed to consult with other mods or turn over an issue to them if I feel I'm too close to it. They sure as heck would tell me if I were too close to it.

You brought this up earlier, asking why I didn't post with a puppet, and I said then that I didn't think I needed one as I would consider that dishonest. Now, apparently, this is a reason to criticize. Very well.

2) I have no idea where you get the impression I'm sick of moderating and am deliberately confusing the two. I think the confusion issue is not mine.

3) Are you being silly with your third point, or are you actually serious?

Forgive me if I'm left wondering what this is all really about?

Hobo's, i'm sorry but to me it just seems like your grasping for straws.


As a fellow player of NationStates, I'd probably just stop with it if I were you.

Hahhh... It only took me a few posts to become legendary here! I am impressed with myself! When posters start making threads about someone, you can bet that someone touched a nerve. Glad I could oblige!

As for the rules here, I have about figured them out. If you're a liberal, you can get away with pretty much anything... call people 'bigot' or 'nutcase' and make all sorts of snide comments and incorrect assumptions about their character... call them liars on a regular basis... the liberal mods just chuckle and smile, as the liberals line up to take pot shots at the lone conservative. If and when the lone conservative responds in kind, some pinhead mod comes in and bans him for "breaking the rules".... all the liberals cheer! Oh, it's a wonderful set up you guys have here! A regular Liberal Utopia as message boards go! Now, free speech be damned, who needs that mucking up your liberal message?

The reason I tend to enrage liberals is, I speak the truth and they can't refute it. It frustrates them, to the point of having to run off and post threads bitching about me, as we have here. Their liberal talking points don't phase me, I illustrate how absurd they are, sometimes with my own absurdity, and then reiterate my points... that really pisses 'em off. They will try to intimidate me with their 'credentials' and again, I am unphased by it, I just keep driving my point home in spite of the braggadocio. They will try to twist my comments into arguments they can prevail with, and I don't allow them to. I will repeatedly correct their misinterpretations, and demand they quote me correctly, and this upsets and frustrates them even more. Apparently, they are used to conservatives rolling over and accepting whatever they dish out. Homie don't roll that way.

Some people fear getting banned, and they will watch what they say here, because they are intimidated by the wop-sided moderation, but I don't really care. I've been kicked off of message boards before, and I probably will be again, doesn't phase me a bit. In fact, I wear it as a badge of honor, and from my perspective, it reaffirms the point that this is a liberal board where conservative ideas are not welcome, and nothing remotely close to 'free speech' is allowed here. One thing about me, I am always going to say what I think, like it or not, I am going to say it. If you want to ban me for that, it's fine, I completely understand, people often don't like hearing the truth.

I have no idea where they think I am negatively using the term 'liberal' in my comments, I only say what is the truth about liberals. It amazes me how ashamed of the label they are, they come up with all of these ways to 'redefine' what they call themselves... I'm not a liberal, I am progressive! Oh, I am not a liberal, I am 'moderate'! Seems they would be proud to be liberals, but they don't act like they are at all. I guess it stems from the fact they fully understand that Liberalism is Socialism, and they don't want to be seen as Socialists. Look around this forum and see how many of them are bashing Christians and religion on a daily basis... yet, the truthful and honest assertion they are 'godless' is met with indignant complaint, and they run off whining to the mods and have me banned. I've insulted them by saying they are 'godless' after they totally trashed religion or Christians... boo-frikin-hoo! Again, people often don't like hearing the truth!

I'm a conservative, and I'd like to mention something.

Yes, this forum tends to have a vast majority of libertarian left posters. Yes, conservatives tend to get reported more frequently than might otherwise be the case as a result of the fact that the more liberal folks are often quicker to report the conservatives. That's an issue of site demographics, not Moderation policy.

Your behavior, which by the way ain't so hot, is not an issue of Moderation policy either. It's an issue of you choosing to behave a certain way. Take responsibility for it rather than going on rants that paint you as the valiant and unfairly persecuted warrior against liberalism.

If you can't take the heat, stop jumping into the fire.

There is another matter I will moot, and that is that you misuse mod power by posting in the forums (not here) while appearing always offline. This is not an 'advantage of stealth' available to ordinary posters.I do this too. And I'm more than a little confused as to how this is a misuse of power.

I can delete nations, change some data in nation files, lock threads, delete posts (individually and en masse), eject (and ban) nations from the UN, ban accounts from the forums (anywhere from 1 day to forever), and any number of other, more dramatic, things. The ability to appear invisible has got to be the most insignifigant tool in my bag of tricks. Why is it so odious? Do players still scan the "Currently Active Users" list for Mods to see if they can break rules?

I honestly don't understand why this is stuck in your craw, nor do I understand how anybody could view it as a "misuse [of] mod power"; which, by the way, scans as a polite way of accusing Kat of abusing her powers...

A convivial dinner and chat with my best RL-friend has cast this matter into a quite different light. In short, I can see I was being petty and quibblesome.

I also see that I'm spending too much time on NSG, and taking the process too seriously. Perhaps I am even a little cowardly in addressing the political and ethical issues which are (were?) what I come here for. I will ration myself I think.

TMGHack, it's true I brought an issue I made with Katganistan as she posted as an ordinary user, about the "online status" thing, into a Moderation thread where it was entirely irrelevant to the dispute at hand.

That illustrates clearly that I was bearing a grudge against her for how that went. I drop my case, I abandon my case, that Kat has in some way played dirty in debate.

I was wrong about that. I'll try to read her words in the common forum as I would any other poster's, and avoid the sense of familiarity I feel when I see her avatar. I really don't know her well at all, and have no right to offer personal advice ... least of all in Moderation.

Dixieanna, I will not offer you advice, at least not here. If you are in a debate in which I want to post, I may offer advice there where it belongs, among all the users. I am no mod, nor wish to be.

Katganistan, I'm really sorry for getting personal, I'm ashamed of it. Please don't bear a grudge, as I'm trying to overcome the one I bore.

Again: case withdrawn. I have no opinion about Dixieanna or their posts which bears taking to Moderation. I just wanted my "Confess" thread closed and ran across this while waiting for a decision on that.

Wow, another page of liberal abuse to respond to!

Uhm... saying someone has an attitude problem is a far cry from calling someone liberal scum because the first is critical of the person's behaviour, and given that you have very few posts, this is pretty much all you've shown to us, so this is all we have to judge you on. If you don't want to be judged harshly perhaps guarded words are something that you may want to consider.

Criticising someone for acting like a child is not the same as attacking the beliefs.

Yes, they are different, the very nature of debate requires an 'attack of beliefs', that's what debates are! Saying someone is 'acting like a spoiled brat' is a personal insult. Also, saying someone has a 'shaky grip on reality' is a personal insult. These were done back-to-back, one by the moderator, and both directed at me. I might add, neither of you know me or have spoken with me here to any great extent.

As for 'guarded words' they are for wussies. I say what I want to say, and if people don't like it, that is tough. I don't mind following rules, as long as they apply to everyone. I don't accept double standards, where mods can bash and trash and pat their liberal buddies on the back, while conservatives have to sit at the back of the bus and shut up.

Laerod:Just some friendly advice from someone with a bit of time on the forums...<snip>

Save it. I've been around forums since you were crappin yellow in your diapers. Most of them are run fairly and with an unbiased moderation, this one is run by liberals, for liberals, and anyone who threatens the Great Liberal Message, is quickly singled out and ridiculed or ostracized publicly, until they leave. If that doesn't work, they find a reason to ban them, even if it's for something they do themselves on a regular basis.

Liuzzo:
This is because I can debate in a respectful manner with others here at NSG. (Really? We'll see!) I may not agree with them but I always try to remain civil. (LIE) You would do well to do the same.

As for your "debating" skills you have been weighed, measured, and found to be lacking. (insult #1) You spout off some nonsense (insult #2) and if you do source it then it comes from a site that all recognize to have no impartiality at all. (insult #3) You want to debate? We're all open to that option if you are. When you post something of substance I'll dare to enter your thread. Otherwise I'll ignore you as I do now.

I am a moderate libertarian who leans right on most fiscal issues and more neutral when it comes to social issues. (translation: I'm a liberal who is ashamed of the label) Part of being a libertarian means I believe in the individual above the herd, and the right to have your life be as you wish it to be. (translation: I'm liberal) You have the right to free speech but not the right to attack others. (but you do?) Especially when you're a keyboard thug (insult #4) who would never dare say most of these things to someone's face. I damn sure know you wouldn't say it to me. I'd have to show you what "military code of justice" truly means. (idle threat)

Okay, so this lib goes out of his way to tell me he is civil and respectful, before he bashes me four times and makes an idle personal threat. In between, I am lectured on the appropriate way to debate, and assured he is not really a liberal.

I find it interesting he has judged my debating skills based on 0 debates he has had with me, and even used a cute little line from Pirates of the Caribbean , that was a nice touch... bet it made him feel tough!

JuNii: also the shaky comment seemed to me that it was pointed to people in general, not any specific person... not an insult that it was claimed to be... tho I can also see where people (in general, not anyone specific) can mis read that to mean someone specifically.

The comment was directed at me, and I am the topic of the thread. It was carefully worded, but anyone with an ounce of honesty knows who it was directed at. Of course, liberals are the best at splitting hairs and excusing their own, there is always a way to find a loophole.

Well... generally people know when I have the mod hat on when I say, "You're warned for X" or "If you keep on doing Y, Z is going to happen."

Oddly enough, I'm hoping Dixieanna will catch a clue without me having to take out the clue bat.

You can get out whatever kind of bat you like, you are the boss here. The rules simply don't apply to you. If you want to call me names and flame me, you can get away with it, you don't really need a bat. You can just ban me on general principle, if you like. You can also excuse your buddies for insulting me personally and attacking me relentlessly, moderation has its rewards.

Wow, another page of liberal abuse to respond to!Your political demagoguery has grown tiresome.

Now is the time on NationStates when we lock threads.