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I believe this significantly violates the rules regarding violent and obscene content, even with the disclaimer.

I put sufficient disclaimers in the title and opening paragraph about the content, and nobody FORCED you to read the thread. There were ample opportunities for you to hit the back button on your browser, and therefore if you chose to read the post then you did so at your own acknowledgement of its mature content.

I have stated that it is not a "shock" thread, because as we speak I am typing a military post. I plan on advancing the story past the opening post, so I do not believe it would qualify as a "shock" thread, which are simply done for the "lol, look at me" effect. Your IC actions invoked a violent IC response in line with how I've roleplayed my nation, so greusome backlash it to be expected. Besides, you yourself have made posts about blending babies, and many other RPers regularly make posts where they slaughter civilians, commit mass genocides, butchery, etc. It takes place in the real world, so why shouldn't it happen in a roleplayed world?

But either way, the bold and colored disclaimers are hard to miss.

Sure, I've used giant blenders, but the difference between my threads and yours is that I went into little or no detail about it. You, on the other hand, added in extremely grotesque details that were very much unnecessary. Also, what would you like me to do about the disclaimer, since the thread was directed at me? I have to read it if I am to RP, and I don't see a disclaimer exemption in the rules.

Unless something magically changed without me knowing, the moderators have stated (since over the years we've had numerous discussions on this matter) that sufficient disclaimers are required for threads of this nature. I've seen plenty of threads scrutinized before, and as far as I'm aware the only thing completely outlawed is rape and or sexual torture.

A violent post/thread with sufficient disclaimers has historically been allowed by the moderators, so long as it's not a "shock" style of thread, which this isn't. I planned on taking further into both a character RP involving my leader, as well as military operations. There is a purpose to this thread, and I've done everything the moderators have historically required concerning threads others might find questionable.

Honestly, he put the 'R' rating on the thread title, what more do you want?

He's a good writer. Very good with the imagery.

You should have took the word of his disclaimer.

you can have R or M rating in the title and warings in your first post
but if it dose not meet the PG-13 rule your out of luck,as i reall a thread i was in had a M in title and warings in first post but a mod still deleted some of the posts for been a bit too much for PG-13

you can have R or M rating in the title and warings in your first post
but if it dose not meet the PG-13 rule your out of luck,as i reall a thread i was in had a M in title and warings in first post but a mod still deleted some of the posts for been a bit too much for PG-13


Even if that was the case and disclaimers somehow aren't acceptable, 'PG-13' is highly subjective, as Hollywood itself is allowed to get away with much more these days than in the past. People being shot to bits, heads being chopped off, people being smashed and wrecked, etc.

Hell, on TV they're allowed to show surgeries. In fact, I saw something just the other day on open brain surgery, and they didn't censor a thing. TV is much more regulated than movies, so if it's playing uncensored on National Geographic at 6pm, I don't see any issue with a graphic post that has proper disclaimers.

A 'PG-13' standard is too open ended in my opinion, simply because of the example I just pointed out. If even with the disclaimers the mods decide that my post is still not appropriate, they are free to do what they wish with it. However I don't feel I warrant a warn since I was posting within guidelines set through historical precident concerning disclaimers, and if they aren't acceptable then it needs to be made more public since I was not aware of it. Plus I was posting within FCC guildines regarding what is acceptable to show on TV, which as I have already stated is more heavily regulated than movies. But in closing I don't feel I was in the wrong at all.

Well, I already said I agree with Automagfreek's right to post (and enjoyed his torture story very much). There's not much to say on that.

But to say something, on the topic of censorship. Don't you all find it strange that consensual sex between 2 people is grouped on the same level as gore filled torture and murder, in movies and video games and such? Seems pretty twisted if you ask me.

Of course, my view is that fiction is fiction, and I don't believe anything fictional should/can truly have moral standards applied to it.

AMF, your comparrison doesn't wash - sugery is not torture, it's intent is not to harm, humilliate, or invoke unpleasant mental imagery.

I'm going to say that yours, despit your warnings at the top was expressly done to invoke humilliatoin, harm and unpleasant mental imagery.

AMF, your comparrison doesn't wash - sugery is not torture, it's intent is not to harm, humilliate, or invoke unpleasant mental imagery.

I'm going to say that yours, despit your warnings at the top was expressly done to invoke humilliatoin, harm and unpleasant mental imagery.



Your interpretation =/= my intent. My intent was to punish a belligerent leader who quite frankly pissed my nation and its leaders off to the point where this method of execution was used. There was existing precedent behind this thread and as I've stated it will advance beyond this point without any more graphic posts, since there is going to be character conflict regarding this decision and continuing military action. It's not a shock post, I don't know how many more times I can say it.

The comparison regarding surgery on TV is vaild in the contexts of using movie ratings as guides for posting In Character threads. If live birthings, removing disgustingly large tumors from bodies, etc. is acceptable for TV viewing, the bloody imagery of a post is not different. Intent aside, guts is guts, blood is blood, and if it's allowed on TV then does it not fit into the 'PG-13' thing?

It still does not take away from the fact that there were disclaimers in place, and nobody was forced to read the post. I didn't mash anyone's face against the computer screen and demand they read it at gunpoint, it was done on free will.

Personally I think half the people are only pissed cause he was talking about torturing a girl. Because I have read RP's about torturing men and most of te time no one cares.

Sexists. Die in a fire.

I believe this is largely a personal vendetta on behalf of British Londinium, who has taken it upon himself to take my IC actions against his nation over the last several months personally. I have been told of him discussing his OOC hatred of me on IRC, and I believe this thread exists largely for him to 'get even' with me because of what my nation has done to his.

If British Londinium had posted a thread like this about a character of mine, I wouldn't care one bit how graphic it was. In fact, most people probably wouldn't care, because they either wouldn't have read the thread following the disclaimers, or they would have taken appropriate IC measures in response...which is what's happening in my thread, it's advancing in quite a civil manner.

Honestly, I think this is mostly people either trying to suck up to AMF or BL. While there are a few valid points, the rest that's taking place here seems to be pretty common among those BL-AMF threads too, if I'm not mistaken.

I believe this is largely a personal vendetta on behalf of British Londinium, who has taken it upon himself to take my IC actions against his nation over the last several months personally. I have been told of him discussing his OOC hatred of me on IRC, and I believe this thread exists largely for him to 'get even' with me because of what my nation has done to his.

If British Londinium had posted a thread like this about a character of mine, I wouldn't care one bit how graphic it was. In fact, most people probably wouldn't care, because they either wouldn't have read the thread following the disclaimers, or they would have taken appropriate IC measures in response...which is what's happening in my thread, it's advancing in quite a civil manner.

AMF, I'll be the first to admit that I dislike you in a variety of ways, ICly and OOCly, but why would I waste my time "getting even" when I can simply not RP with you, which achieves the same end objective? I have brought this to the moderators' attention because the level of graphic violence is disturbing and I think it violates the rules.

It's great that you wouldn't report a thread of mine that was written along the same lines, but I wouldn't have written anything nearly as graphic as your thread in the first place.

Moderation is not really the place for arguments, it's the place for moderators to make decisions based on maybe one or two statements from the involved parties, and the posts in question.

Sexists. Die in a fire.
Do you really want to post that in Moderation?

Since I really don't feel like interacting with BL anymore following a...lovely conversation on IRC, I've had the thread deleted and he's been added to my ignore list. Problem solved, nothing more to see.

But either way, the bold and colored disclaimers are hard to miss.

Hear Hear!

AMF, I'll be the first to admit that I dislike you in a variety of ways, ICly and OOCly,

No you won't.

but why would I waste my time "getting even" when I can simply not RP with you, which achieves the same end objective?

Because you would quite love to shove your ego around.

I have brought this to the moderators' attention because the level of graphic violence is disturbing and I think it violates the rules.

Except noone forced you to read it.

Show's over; nothing to see here.