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When I compared people that were anti-abortionists even in the case of rape to the rapists themselves, I got banned. Under that principle...

Addressed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13132508&postcount=106).

If (when) he starts it up again, let us know. I believe there may have been a ban on this subject once, and we're not real tolerant of those who deliberately Fail to Learn.



I don't see the parallel with the case that got you banned, and I don't feel like digging it up. Feel free to link me, or drop it if it's irrelevant.

I don't see the parallel with the case that got you banned, and I don't feel like digging it up. Feel free to link me, or drop it if it's irrelevant.

I made a general statement on the occasion, and so did he now. I just quoted that case for the benefit of the non-mods that might assume he wasn't flaming due to him not flaming anyone in particular, rather, a category.

At what again? Gracious as I am, though, I will accept whatever the mods have decided.

And he's preaching again -- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540649

See posts 2, 4, 7, 9, 12... frankly there's too many to individually link to each one.

The preaching is too much. Can the mods make a filter that just changes everything IB says into: 'blah blah blah sin blah blah blah god blah blah blah liberals'? Since that's pretty much all this scratched CD is managing to say. :p

I'm tempted to think of his messages as pure 100% bona fide, certified, nutritious and delicious spam. Except for the fact that he seems to really despise liberals... it's not healthy.

And he's preaching again -- http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=540649

See posts 2, 4, 7, 9, 12... frankly there's too many to individually link to each one.
Does the word of God offend thee? Why?

The preaching is too much. Can the mods make a filter that just changes everything IB says into: 'blah blah blah sin blah blah blah god blah blah blah liberals'? Since that's pretty much all this scratched CD is managing to say. :p

I'm tempted to think of his messages as pure 100% bona fide, certified, nutritious and delicious spam. Except for the fact that he seems to really despise liberals... it's not healthy.
It's not much more spam than most of what goes on here... i.e. trolling that passes for 'debate'.

Oh, but I am sure that is all right, because it comes from "respectable" members of the community. For the sake of the Lord, I will say no more.

Methinks you guys are getting too miffed at his religious preaching. Remember, simply being Christian and showing it is not a crime. However, spamming on the forum is not, no matter if it's some god's word or pictures of cats with captions.

It's not much more spam than most of what goes on here... i.e. trolling that passes for 'debate'.

Oh, but I am sure that is all right, because it comes from "respectable" members of the community. For the sake of the Lord, I will say no more.

Many use sarcasm and biting statements to make a point. If we all acted like dry conformist monochrome toast, this forum would have zero personality. Perhaps you may want to take a look at some of the debates. They are a far cry from the trolling you claim is being passed off as debate.

The posts that come from the "respectable" members are given more slack because we've been around longer; yes seniority bias exists but that seniority can bite us in the ass when we do something incredibly asinine. The balance.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13133565&postcount=161

Case in point, why is it alright to say being Calvinist is "unfortunate", yet anything said against liberals or atheists is "flaming" or "spam" etc.? Double standards?

Many use sarcasm and biting statements to make a point. If we all acted like dry conformist monochrome toast, this forum would have zero personality.
I agree. So what is the problem with me making statements expressive of my faith, beyond that they seem to offend some? It does not follow that because I am utterly faithful to the Lord that I am a troll.

Perhaps you may want to take a look at some of the debates. They are a far cry from the trolling you claim is being passed off as debate.
I have. They are littered with ad hominem attacks and pointless pontificating. Not what I would call 'debate'. Few escape this characterization.

The posts that come from the "respectable" members are given more slack because we've been around longer
At least you admit it.

At least you admit it.

ya see, things are a bit like a high school here. the users who have been around longest are the seniors, they run the show. people like you are freshmen. If you run around acting like a senior/older member, you're going to get stuffed in a locker/banned.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13133565&postcount=161

Case in point, why is it alright to say being Calvinist is "unfortunate", yet anything said against liberals or atheists is "flaming" or "spam" etc.? Double standards?

If there is a problem with UB's statement, you should have reported it to moderation. A problem will slip under mod radar because the mods cannot be everywhere at once.

The double standard only exists when certain incidents are not reported because those incidents do not reprimanded.

I agree. So what is the problem with me making statements expressive of my faith, beyond that they seem to offend some? It does not follow that because I am utterly faithful to the Lord that I am a troll.

The problem comes in when you infer that being a liberal is an automatic one-way ticket to hell, even though there are plenty of liberals who are religious in their own ways. Your faith is not a problem but the way you write your statements. You come across as arrogant and your words infer than posters who are either liberal or atheist are somehow inferior because we don't follow your religion.

I have. They are littered with ad hominem attacks and pointless pontificating. Not what I would call 'debate'. Few escape this characterization.

Chances are you haven't seen a great number of debates or read posts from more refined posters here because there have been some great debates and not with the rampant ad hominem attacks you have seen in your very short time here.

At least you admit it.

Seniority however is not a ticket to be an asshole; it just gets us a little bit of a more lenient ruling because we have otherwise shown ourselves to be civil. Though I've only seen a few perma-bans/DoS during my whole time here. The mods are quite lenient unless there is no sign that the person will reform.

You'll probably see the names DCD and Jesussaves come up. Drunk Commies (DCD) was a senior poster but he crossed the line one too many times and got a perma-ban. If he hadn't gone out in a blaze of sour grapes, he would have returned.

The mods are quite fair (except of course when they're ruling against me ;)). There is very little bias, though some will claim that there is a bias but the bias only seems to exist because certain people tend to get in trouble more than others.

"And irony is Sin. Please refrain from its mention in my presence. Many thanks." l o fucking l, genius! Best troll ever!

ya see, things are a bit like a high school here.
In more ways than one...

The double standard only exists when certain incidents are not reported because those incidents do not reprimanded.
We'll see about that.

The problem comes in when you infer that being a liberal is an automatic one-way ticket to hell, even though there are plenty of liberals who are religious in their own ways. Your faith is not a problem but the way you write your statements. You come across as arrogant and your words infer than posters who are either liberal or atheist are somehow inferior because we don't follow your religion.
You may criticize my viewpoints, but I do not see why merely expressing them should be a cause for a ban. Little mercy is spared when attacking conservative viewpoints usually...

Chances are you haven't seen a great number of debates or read posts from more refined posters here because there have been some great debates and not with the rampant ad hominem attacks you have seen in your very short time here.
I've lurked for the past couple of months...

Seniority however is not a ticket to be an asshole;
You sure about that?

You'll probably see the names DCD and Jesussaves come up. Drunk Commies (DCD) was a senior poster but he crossed the line one too many times and got a perma-ban. If he hadn't gone out in a blaze of sour grapes, he would have returned.
Mods do have to make examples of senior posters at least sometimes.

"And irony is Sin. Please refrain from its mention in my presence. Many thanks." l o fucking l, genius! Best troll ever!
Troll? Sir, it is merely the Truth.

"And irony is Sin. Please refrain from its mention in my presence. Many thanks." l o fucking l, genius! Best troll ever!
First...a lol to the above.

Second....guys leave him alone. I obviously don't agree with what he's saying, but it's his view.......he's just debating using what he beleives is correct, his religion. If you don't like what he's saying, leave him alone....and don't keep annoying him and me in my Switzerland thread. It's really getting the thread off track. In fact, I may report some of the posters in their for thread jacking...normally I wouldn't care, but as it is MY thread I obviously created it for the purpose of discussing the topic...and many of you guys are annoying Imperial Brazil and not contributing to the OP's point. True, Imperial Brazil has preached some of his religion in there, but he has also debated against posts that are relevant to the OP....unlike otheres in there.

Someone may be taking a parody nation too far.
Word to the wise.

In more ways than one...


We'll see about that.


You may criticize my viewpoints, but I do not see why merely expressing them should be a cause for a ban. Little mercy is spared when attacking conservative viewpoints usually...


I've lurked for the past couple of months...

You sure about that?


Mods do have to make examples of senior posters at least sometimes.


Troll? Sir, it is merely the Truth.

This is one of the best instances of self-control i've ever seen. :)

Personally, i'm not finding myself miffed at this particular posting style. There are many other posters who do make a much more personal issue of everything in their discourse, regardless of their actual pov.

Seems to me that, since a small hammer (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13127190&postcount=6) could well have slipped from my grasp during an earlier discussion of where this site draws the line, Imperial Brazil has paid scrupulous attention to where he puts his toes.

Addressed (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=13132508&postcount=106).

If (when) he starts it up again, let us know. I believe there may have been a ban on this subject once, and we're not real tolerant of those who deliberately Fail to Learn.

I don't see the parallel with the case that got you banned, and I don't feel like digging it up. Feel free to link me, or drop it if it's irrelevant.

Heathen - One who is regarded as irreligious, uncivilized, or unenlightened.

I am sorry, but is the objectionable act here his expression of opinion/observation as to what or who constitutes religiosity, or is it the definition of heathen?

His statement that "Liberals are heathens" can easily be reworded into "Liberals have an ideology that is inconsistent with what I consider to be religion". Is the latter statement actionable? It bears the same message.

I agree. So what is the problem with me making statements expressive of my faith, beyond that they seem to offend some? It does not follow that because I am utterly faithful to the Lord that I am a troll.


I have. They are littered with ad hominem attacks and pointless pontificating. Not what I would call 'debate'. Few escape this characterization.


At least you admit it.

You are a troll and a joke. No one could possibly be as stupid as you and still be literate. Give it up. You are a troll, it's quite easy to see. So whoever you are, getting kicks out of pretending to be a whacko jesusfreak, stop, it's making the forum worse by you being there.

You are nothing but flamebait, I don't see why you still are allowed to post.

You are a troll and a joke. No one could possibly be as stupid as you and still be literate. Give it up. You are a troll, it's quite easy to see. So whoever you are, getting kicks out of pretending to be a whacko jesusfreak, stop, it's making the forum worse by you being there.

You are nothing but flamebait, I don't see why you still are allowed to post.
Such harsh words. Are you sure it is not you who is the troll? Oh wait, I am sure you're just abiding by whatever standards predominate on these fora.

Poor little troll, you don't even know what you're doing. :(

........

How about we stop with the sniping.


Thanks.

I don't see why either of you are still posting here.