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It’s spam in my new store front as my other one was rudely stolen. So, Icly I still own Elite Arms and everything within it.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12931979&postcount=7

I would like that to be taken form my thread. Plus, he is using that word to piss me off more. Thanks.

Edit: And I don’t know how to write. The title should say read not write. See I’m pissed off that I’m extremely messing up my writing.

My storefront work is being plagiarized in two threads by the same person.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12931979&posted=1#post12931979

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=534510


Here is the original:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=512351

Thank you for the assistance. Sorry to trouble you with this.

It’s still my store. ICly, the Count still owns Elite Arms stuff. What your nation did Icly was illegal and in the real world, your government would have been sued. But I don’t have time to did with you because of your behavior.

I’ll do whatever I can to keep this was being in the mod forum. I’ll stop posting anything here about it. I need to fix my new store.

Threads merged because they're essentially about the same incident.

First off Dartia, even if we determine that Trans did plagiarize your work, it's still against the rules to use imagespam to flamebait him.

Secondly, Trans, please don't turn this into an extended dispute in Moderation.

It'll take some time to deal with the complaints here.

You are copying word for word my work without my permission. Why do you feel entitled to my work, which took me a couple hundred hours to produce?

For the mods,

Some time ago, before I went inactive for a while, I granted permission to Transylvania to continue using my storefront. We had an understanding that I could reassert my control of my intellectual property at any time. This last point is not in dispute, and Transylvania has even admitted to agreeing to that.

I have no problem with Transylvania running his own storefront. I just don't want my work to be copied verbatim.

Sorry for the image. I won't post in this thread anymore unless one of you mods has a question for me.

Thanks.

This seems more like the sort of thing you'd deal with ICly to me. Somebody copied bits from one of my old storefronts back in 2004, then promptly deleted them when I threatened to drop giant rocks on his nation from orbit.
I'd suggest settling this mano a mano in the international forum of dropping high yield nuclear weapons on each other.
After all, from what I can determine, Transyvania bought the company, yes? Therefore he could reasonably have copied the designs from that company and moved them to his own nation or something, thereby enabling him to produce those arms.
As to the company, its kinda like the China issue. Theres the Republic of China, and the PEOPELS Republic of China. Nobody seems too sure which is which and which runs China, but theyre definitly seperate.
*shrug*
Seems like a chance for a good RP to me.

After all, from what I can determine, Transyvania bought the company, yes?

Yes, the Count, my leader, bought the two companies for 25 trillion and Elite Arms was illegal stolen from him. He is still the owner of the company.

You are copying word for word my work without my permission. Why do you feel entitled to my work, which took me a couple hundred hours to produce?

For the mods,

Some time ago, before I went inactive for a while, I granted permission to Transylvania to continue using my storefront. We had an understanding that I could reassert my control of my intellectual property at any time. This last point is not in dispute, and Transylvania has even admitted to agreeing to that.

I have no problem with Transylvania running his own storefront. I just don't want my work to be copied verbatim.

Sorry for the image. I won't post in this thread anymore unless one of you mods has a question for me.

Thanks.

My God, I didn’t say you could take back over. I said you could run the store at the start, not at the end. Running it is saying ‘Order confirmed and etc.’.

The Count still own everything.

Well, this is unbearably lame. I'm going to stick to diminutives until people start acting like adults.

As far as I understand it, the IC sale was only to explain IC why Tranny would be running the storefront OOC instead of Dartia (who was OOC indisposed and put in the OOC work). If this is true, Tranny's "I still own it ICly" argument is a cheap way to get something for nothing and is reprehensibly underhanded.

I see two options here:

1) You two turn this into an IC RP opportunity, preferably without digging at each other at every possible turn.

2) Tranny gives back the storefront as it is the OOC appropriate thing to do in line with the agreement as understood when it was made.

Well, this is unbearably lame. I'm going to stick to diminutives until people start acting like adults.

As far as I understand it, the IC sale was only to explain IC why Tranny would be running the storefront OOC instead of Dartia (who was OOC indisposed and put in the OOC work). If this is true, Tranny's "I still own it ICly" argument is a cheap way to get something for nothing and is reprehensibly underhanded.

I see two options here:

1) You two turn this into an IC RP opportunity, preferably without digging at each other at every possible turn.

2) Tranny gives back the storefront as it is the OOC appropriate thing to do in line with the agreement as understood when it was made.


Thank you for assisting in resolving this matter. ICly, my nation has "nationalized" Elite Arms Inc., which is how I justify reclaiming possession of it. I have already agreed to allow Transylvania to invade me if he wishes to retake it by force (something anyone could do).

Damn, am I being flame baited my mod?

I didn’t say that he could have the store back after he got back. I said he could run it at the start because I didn’t run a store that big. Icly, my leader bought the store and he is still the current owner of it. I didn’t agree to Dartia regain ownership after he got back from his break.

If I need he was going to be pain like this, I would have moved the company out his nation along time ago.

Just my two cents, it doesn't matter if you agreed. It's a perfectly legitimate IC action. He doesn't need you to consent.

I have already stated this ‘He godmoded what he did.’ It takes two to role-play as my people were working at those factories with his civilians. He didn't role-play anything with me.

The soldiers and entirely-Transy-staffing appear to be retconned in anyway and are just as godmoding. Either go back to step one and RP the nationalization with Dartia or give him his intellectual property back and delete the copy-pasted bits from your own thread.

The first thing isn’t a godmode as it would be smart to get people in control of things that you can trust. I.E. Hiring my people for the security forces and etc. Then use the home nation’s people to build the stuff.

Right now, I don’t want to role-play with him because if he did this, what will stop him from godmoding more? OOCly, he did create the stuff and it is his that way. ICly, my leader paid 25 trillion for the company and everything with it.

He caused this because of his actions.

I’m still mad as I was flamed and flame baited today because I’m the only whom saw what he did was illegal. What makes it bad is one of the flame baits came form a mod. I’m busy with real life stuff and only have time to role-play in one or two thread and run my store.

If he wants after my store is open all of the way, he can have his government’s lawyers try to sue the Count. I’ll stop adding thing and work on the opening post.

Transylvania, I'm not out to ruin your fun. I just wanted to have some say in how Elite Arms Inc was operated as I spent a lot of time developing it. When you would not cooperate with me at all, I felt I had no other option.

I still do appreciate that you kept my storefront alive in my absence. You are still welcome to keep Trade Winds, and you can have your money back. Furthermore, you are welcome to continue produce Elite Arms Inc. stuff for domestic use by your nation.

It seems reasonable to assume that some of your citizens came to my country to work for Elite Arms Inc.. Had we roleplayed you taking over Elite Arms Inc., I'm sure I would have allowed some civilian executives to enter my country. However, I would not have allowed you to station troops within my nation. If you would like to roleplay me expelling a few dozen of your citizens from my nation, I'm fine with that provided we can be civil OOC about it.

The first thing isn’t a godmode as it would be smart to get people in control of things that you can trust. I.E. Hiring my people for the security forces and etc. Then use the home nation’s people to build the stuff.

Right now, I don’t want to role-play with him because if he did this, what will stop him from godmoding more? OOCly, he did create the stuff and it is his that way. ICly, my leader paid 25 trillion for the company and everything with it.

He caused this because of his actions.

I’m still mad as I was flamed and flame baited today because I’m the only whom saw what he did was illegal. What makes it bad is one of the flame baits came form a mod. I’m busy with real life stuff and only have time to role-play in one or two thread and run my store.

If he wants after my store is open all of the way, he can have his government’s lawyers try to sue the Count. I’ll stop adding thing and work on the opening post.
You seem to be thinking two things: it's all his fault, and my posts did not have an imperative tone.

First, Dartia's flamebaiting has already been cleared up. If he doesn't do it again, everything is fine. If not, he'll be in hotter water than he is now.

Second, let's say Dartia is godmoding (a forum crime) in addition to nationalizing (a roleplayed crime). In the way Forum Badness goes, real crime is greater than forum crime is greater than roleplayed crime, or:

Real Crime > Forum Crime > Roleplayed Crime

Now, it just so happens plagiarism is a real crime, so the current construction of this situation goes:

Plagiarism > Godmoding > Nationalizing a Foreign-Owned Company

Needless to say, I'm more concerned with what's on the top of the stack rather than the bottom. Your fake leader may have paid a completely arbitrarily fake amount of fake money, transmitted fakely, to buy a fake corporation. You, the real you, have really stolen a real load of real work really done by another real person. I will now write the next few sentences so they will obviously be in the imperative form as per their grammar:

The Transylvania, you will go back to step one with Dartia and work this out via roleplay if you wish to maintain the "I own it ICly" defense as your primary argument.

Failing that, The Transylvania, you will give Dartia his intellectual property back and you will delete whatever you have plagarized of his in any threads of yours. As Dartia is (rather graciously, all things considered) letting you continue to produce his stuff, I only require that you delete any copy-pasted lists, links, storefronts, and other such material that you did not type in your own words from your own effort.

Should it turn out so I have to ensure compliance by deleting these things, there will be problems. These problems will do me no ill and will be forgotten after a very small amount of grumbling before moving on to the next task. These problems will probably make you decidedly less happy and let you have even less fun than you are currently having now.

We do not appreciate wanton copy-pasting of other people's work, but we do appreciate it that, if it happens, the responsible party has the common courtesy to put things right.

You’re not get what I mean by security forces. Think me in black suits armed with sub machine guns that walk around the factories and etc. That’s not soldiers. I don’t even have soldiers stationed around factories in my nation. 25 trillion isn’t going to work anymore like I said. I’ve role-play building factories in my own nation in that thread, along with turning those in your nation into state of the art.

The Count could sue your government for this theft, but early I just wanted to level your whole nation.

I have had fun role-playing Elite Arms Inc store and yes, you did take lots of time in it, but after you sold it to me. You have no say in what I do unless you ICly said what your government would do. I would have had the Count say that Elite Arms and Trade Winds wouldn’t be in your nation anymore as it is owned by him. We could have came to a deal about those factories and etc in your nation, but legal he owns everything in that store to sell on his own.

Scolopendra: If he want it to be right, he’ll do what I said. His nation can sue the Count and he’ll have to deal with the legal paper stating that Count’s TWI owns everything in that store.

And you’re right, I’m not having a fun time with somebody taking a store right under my feet that I controlled for lots of time and had fun doing it.

If he wants to do this right, he can create a new thread about what his government is planning on doing in and send a message to the Count. From there, we’ll wheel and deal. At the end, I’ll take all of his stuff form my store, but leave in the stuff that he didn’t made or even pay from somebody else to sell. I’m talking about the Iron Lord Class Cruiser, The M7-A combat vehicle system family, and the GA-18 Jackal Anti-Materiel/ Sniper Rifle.

I hate to be so blunt, but.

No, if you want to be right you are going to have to do what I said.

If you do not comply, the sadly periodic list of official warnings you've accrued since 30 November of last year suggest that I let the blade of the guillotine fall. Plagiarism is not tolerated and you will be deleted for it.

The correct response to this is to either get cracking with Dartia on his nationalization attempt or to delete the hard work you've taken. Anything else will not be taken very well.

What I said was what you said. You said go back to step one and that's what I said in my own words. I'll go delete that other stuff. I was pissed off early, but I did say you made it thought.

Not your step one. My step one. It's not a matter of Dartia being qua becoming right, it's a matter of you being qua becoming right.

Try something like this again and you won't get the courtesy of a command to clean up your mistake. You're on final notice.

[lateral thinking] why not just split the profits 50-50? That way, Daltia still owns all of their intellectual property, and gets money from it, and still runs it, and Tran still gets return from an investment?

Okay, Transy, you now have an opportunity to pick a name that won't get shortened into something you won't like. Since the question is going to be asked:

You did it wrong.

I clearly told you to delete everything copy-pasted, not just the "Dataria originals." You didn't.

It doesn't matter if they're RL vehicles or not. We've yelled at people plagiarizing others' storefronts of RL materiel before.

I didn’t think you want everything as we were talking about Dataria in this thread. If you told me all of it that is both Dataria and real life, I would have asked for it to be closed.


Received: 6 minutes ago

No, you did it wrong. You were explicitly told to delete EVERYTHING copy-pasted, not just the "Dartia originals." You didn't. If it were any clearer, birds would've ran into it. You've had more than enough warning, and we've a consensus on that.

It doesn't matter if they're RL vehicles or not. We've yelled at people plagiarizing others' storefronts of RL materiel before.

Look at it this way. You now have an opportunity to establish a forum presence whose shortened form won't instantly offend you to the point of foaming rage.

You don’t get it, I didn’t see that meant everything. I didn’t see y’all yelling at the other store with real life stuff in them. Please bring my nation back, so I can role-play and nothing else. I don’t care about that store or anything anymore. I’m sorry!

So wait, it's against the rules to sell stuff like T-80's and F-16's on a storefront? :o

Or is it against the rules to steal someone else's description of them?

I think you're once again missing the point. Plagiarism. Copy-pasting. The entire list is a copy-paste job, and I wouldn't have closed it. I would have demanded, like I did, that you delete the whole thing, and deleted you had you not. It seems this simply reduced the number of steps taken towards the inevitable.

I made myself more than abundantly clear, and it takes no more than a cursory glance to confirm the entire list except for a few mere additions was directly copied. The entire list that Dartia wrote.

Anyway, Kol, now you have a monosyllabic nickname that hopefully won't cause any further fuss. That's got to be a silver lining.

Or is it against the rules to steal someone else's description of them?
How many times do I have to use the word "plagiarism" and the neologism "copy-paste" and variations upon the same for this to become clear?

I think you're once again missing the point. Plagiarism. Copy-pasting. The entire list is a copy-paste job, and I wouldn't have closed it. I would have demanded, like I did, that you delete the whole thing, and deleted you had you not. It seems this simply reduced the number of steps taken towards the inevitable.

I made myself more than abundantly clear, and it takes no more than a cursory glance to confirm the entire list except for a few mere additions was directly copied. The entire list that Dartia wrote.

Anyway, Kol, now you have a monosyllabic nickname that hopefully won't cause any further fuss. That's got to be a silver lining.

I don’t get that I’m punished for leaving the real life stuff as some of it wasn’t real life and there are store out there that have real life stuff in it. I can’t delete the whole thing, I would need to delete the whole thread in how you’re talking.

This nation isn’t the United Dominion. I worked hard on that nation for it be deleted on over mistake. I’m sorry and hope that I’m not the only deleted because I had real life stuff in my store.

I’ve learned my mistake.

I don’t get that I’m punished for leaving the real life stuff as some of it wasn’t real life and there are store out there that have real life stuff in it. I can’t delete the whole thing, I would need to delete the whole thread in how you’re talking.
By Jove, I think he comes close to getting it! So close, and yet...

You are being punished for plagiarism. Copying the entire list and then pasting the entire list and claiming it for your own when the original creator wanted it back. Plagiarism.

PLAGIARISM. (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/plagiarism)

Seriously, this is stuff covered for third-grade book reports. I am finding it difficult to imagine how I could possibly have made it any clearer.

you delete any copy-pasted lists, links, storefronts, and other such material that you did not type in your own words from your own effort.
Do you see "Dartia's made up stuff" there? No? Let's parse further, shall we?
any copy-pasted
The stuff you copied from the original thread and pasted.
lists
Which would happen to be what the whole thing is...
links
Also well-represented...
storefronts
Well, the whole thing was a storefront, wasn't it?
and other such material that you did not type in your own words from your own effort.
Meaning all you're left with is probably your own original entries, the whole handful of them.

Hopefully this has been educational and the next time you say that you've learned your mistake you really, truly have rather than it being some sort of empty statement with the objective of getting your punishment reversed.

Kol: As I see it, the problem is NOT that you're using real life stuff in your storefront.

The problem is that the list of matériel itself is plagiarized from someone else. You can have a storefront with all that stuff in it; you just can't use the same list and the same layout as Dartia used.

As for losing your hard-worked-on nation, there are plenty of RP options for that: for instance, a horrific catastrophe may have destroyed your population and turned the nation into a wasteland, and in your next incarnation you roleplay the survivors of that catastrophe and how they fare. It's not the end of the world. Well, for a few billion imaginary citizens, it is, but that's beside the point.

Anyway, due to my lack of an avatar and certain privileges on the Jolt forums, I'll clear out before I cause any damage, or end up repeating what someone else said (too late). /2¢

Well I’m going to use this nation as my old one, but without the stats from the old. Can I do that?

Scolopendra, I didn’t see that you meant everything that wasn’t mine like the real life stuff as that’s plagiarism in itself. Shouldn’t you drop the hammer on the others, too? I’m just asking a question. I love this game and worked onmy old nation into where it was.

Kol: As I see it, the problem is NOT that you're using real life stuff in your storefront.

The problem is that the list of matériel itself is plagiarized from someone else. You can have a storefront with all that stuff in it; you just can't use the same list and the same layout as Dartia used.
Yes.

Edit: SaF gets a gold star.

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So…you should have closed the thread then. I was pissed and didn’t see what you wrote right. I only got madder as I was flamed and like I said, one of them came from a mod. That screwed me up the most as a mod flamed me. I’ve had trouble with dealing with mods like you know. There some I like and others that I don’t. I see mods doing things that would get a normal people deleted. I don’t know what happened to the game I fill in love with in 03.

I think you're once again missing the point. Plagiarism. Copy-pasting. The entire list is a copy-paste job, and I wouldn't have closed it. I would have demanded, like I did, that you delete the whole thing, and deleted you had you not. It seems this simply reduced the number of steps taken towards the inevitable.
You know, you can make the text larger in your browser's options if it's hard to read.

And maybe a ban.

You know, you can make the text larger in your browser's options if it's hard to read.

I think you said that after you deleted me. If you said that way early, I would have done it. Anyways, I’m done. Lock this thread, but can you do something for me. I asked this in gameplay, but I think the mods can help me better. I’m looking for those nation trader regions. Are they still around?

So…you should have closed the thread then. I was pissed and didn’t see what you wrote right. I only got madder as I was flamed and like I said, one of them came from a mod. That screwed me up the most as a mod flamed me. I’ve had trouble with dealing with mods like you know. There some I like and others that I don’t. I see mods doing things that would get a normal people deleted. I don’t know what happened to the game I fill in love with in 03.

Erm, I'm not a mod or anything, but may I give you a piece of advice?

Stop while you're ahead. Further complaining, I bet, will only piss the mods off more and get you nothing.

So…you should have closed the thread then. I was pissed and didn’t see what you wrote right.

You were told to delete the thread, the responsibility was put on you because you committed an offense. By failing to follow that order, you earned a deletion. Can't be spelled out any clearer.

I only got madder as I was flamed and like I said, one of them came from a mod. That screwed me up the most as a mod flamed me. I’ve had trouble with dealing with mods like you know.

Not everyone is aware that you dislike being called Tranny, so don't go frothing at the mouth without realizing that. Not everyone reads sigs or more importantly has their forum preferences set to view them.

I see mods doing things that would get a normal people deleted. I don’t know what happened to the game I fill in love with in 03.

Strawman, that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

I think you said that after you deleted me. If you said that way early, I would have done it. Anyways, I’m done. Lock this thread, but can you do something for me. I asked this in gameplay, but I think the mods can help me better. I’m looking for those nation trader regions. Are they still around?
Last word: I said that at forum time 1:47 AM.

You responded to that very post at 1:58 AM.

Insert a long diatribe about responsibilities and bed-making here. No matter how you may feebly twist, I think the effort put into attempting to shirk responsibility here--especially with such a weak hypothesis as that--would be better allocated somewhere else.