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Hi I run Nation Jennicidia and Only Nation Jennicidia. So This morning I woke up and found a rather mean telegram telling me that i need to rectify having more then one Nation with a UN membership. I Ony have the 1 period. My Roommate has several nations and I have no clue what he is doing with his but we don't have the same e-mail. So how come I'm in trouble for running my nation and being in the UN??? Would someone please respond???

Jenn Queen of Jennicidia, Chickens, Tacos, and Atnhrax!!!:sniper:

This is a good opportunity to highlight a recent addition to the NationStates FAQ (http://www.nationstates.net/page=faq):>I only have one UN nation, but my brother has one as well and he sometimes uses this computer.

That's asking for trouble. The game uses a few different methods to identify UN cheats, but we have no way of telling exactly whose fingers are touching the keyboard at any given time. So unfortunately if you don't want to run the risk of being ejected from the UN (or worse), you shouldn't let anyone else operate UN nations from your computer, either. (It's usually fine to share a network or IP address.)

This is addressed in greater detail in this post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784627&postcount=2) in the One Stop Rules Shop

Originally Posted by [violet] in Ejected from the UN? Here's why (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274575)The United Nations is getting much tougher on people who break the "one player, one UN member nation" rule. If you have been ejected from the UN, warned, or deleted, this explains why.

Q: I didn't know it was against the rules to have multiple UN member nations.
A: It is mentioned in the FAQ (see: "United Nations"). Also, when you receive your invitation e-mail from the UN, it clearly spells out the penalties for breaching this rule. Not paying attention to this is not an excuse.

Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.

Because my roommate and I sare the same computers. (we have 2) I can't be in the UN??? Thats pretty messed up!!! I think you need to modify the system concidering I have seen several people have more then one account in the UN.

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Because my roommate and I sare the same computers. (we have 2) I can't be in the UN??? Thats pretty messed up!!!

Here's an idea: use separate computers for NS, you on one and your roommate on the other. Not that difficult to figure out.

I think you need to modify the system concidering I have seen several people have more then one account in the UN.

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Y'know, the "other people are doing it!" argument isn't really the best one. Sure, they may be. They just haven't gotten caught -- yet.

If you have 2 computers, you should simply avoid logging on to each other's computer with your UN nation. As long as you use separate computers, we won't bother you.

As to the people with multiple UN nations, feel free to share their names via the Getting Help page (see my signature). We'll be delighted to show them the errors of their ways.

You're new, you've probably not seen the years and years of complaints about this, or the multitudes of answers. Everything you need to know is contained in what Fris posted, along with the fact that there is no way for the Moderators to verify you're telling the truth, as they can't fly on out to watch you both play with your nations.

It's a matter of 'tough luck' and 'learn to read the rules and work within them', as well as taking the precautions to not share computers. Simple as that. Hasn't changed in all the years I've been here, and I doubt it ever will. Besides, unless you're actively involved in rp'ing in the UN, you don't really need membership anyways. No big.

I'm sure this has been asked before, but since they've already shared computers, how long would they have to wait and use only the UN nations on their respective computers?

To be clear:

Joe has computer A and Paul has computer B.

Joe has UN nation 1 and Paul has UN nation 2.

They used to play both nations on both computers, but then they met with trouble so now they want to limit themselves to 1 on A and 2 on B.

Obviously, they aren't immediately safe, so how long would one have to wait in order to not have trouble with multi rules?

Obviously, they aren't immediately safe

They're immediately safe. I don't see the 'obvious' reason why they wouldn't be.

They're immediately safe. I don't see the 'obvious' reason why they wouldn't be.

Hmmm... well it seems unlikely that two people would be using their UN nations on the same computer at exactly the same time, so it seems like there must be some time period where overlap would trigger a response. Otherwise I could have 25 UN nations on the same computer provided I waited a bit after logging off one to log on to another.

Or am I missing something glaring?

EDIT: I am missing something. It's certainly possible that it's acceptable for you to have one UN nation on a machine and then switch to another. It could pop if you logged in with the same UN nation on a machine before and after another UN nation, thus having a timespan where both were in the UN and both were logged onto a computer.

I'm not going to go into a technical discussion of our cheat scan methodology. Suffice to say that if they stop doing it, it's no longer a problem.

Good Day.. We of The Bone Wastes come before you to clear up a misshap.
First me.(John G.Wolf) and Jennicide are not the same person...
This missunderstanding is my fault I Loged into my nations using her computer yesterday not realizing that the mod would think . I appoligize for my mistake...:headbang: