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I have given this a little thought and have reached the conclusion that the mods talk a good game but when you actually need them to meet out justice, you're out in the damn cold.

They are swift when it comes to cracking down on minor offenders and giving harsh punishment, but they fail to deal with those who make threats.

I have been at both ends of the stick. I intend to leave this place. You may see me in II, Gameplay or NationStates but no more NSG. I don't want to be here if there are people who don't get a slap on the wrist for threats.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522568

I have no real problem with the mods; I just don't like how this was handled. It makes me question how they handled the case where it was shown that there was a troll operating out of my IP address. I got a month ban for it, though that was reversed later. Yet, I had three nasty posts against me and only one was ruled on, with the threat ignored.

To those who provided me with a good debate, I will miss you.

Bye.

Um... are you still high?

Because the posts you were offended by from that guy you quoted in Moderation sure as hell weren't flames.
The one that was on the edge got a warning from Frisbeeteria, the others are DEBATE.

Like, seriously. Maybe you should sleep it off and then look at it again.

Meh...you said you were stoned and acted like an idiot.

Um... are you still high?

Because the posts you were offended by from that guy you quoted in Moderation sure as hell weren't flames.
The one that was on the edge got a warning from Frisbeeteria, the others are DEBATE.

Like, seriously. Maybe you should sleep it off and then look at it again.

Why would I want to stay around where the mods don't take this kind of thing seriously? And no, I am sober. You may not think of them as offensive, but I did, and I wanted serious moderator analysis and Fris lacked there.

I got harsher treatment for less.

Yeah, don't do anything hasty, wait a day or so, your problem can be taken care of soon, one way or another.

Meh...you said you were stoned and acted like an idiot.

And acting like an idiot is reason to be flamed and threatened?

Thank you for solidifying why I should leave!

Now I'm sober and I'm more hotheaded now than then.

I seriously hope this is just a Friday night lament.

You and Dobbs are the only continuous GTA posters other than myself, and even though you and I rarely (ever?) cross paths, I will miss having you around.

Don't go!!!




*Does Mikesburg 'Don't go' dance*

The Drama Llama is not impressed.

Garth Algar: Fine then, go!
Wayne Campbell: I'm gone!
Garth Algar: Go then!
Wayne Campbell: But I am!
Garth Algar: Go!
Wayne Campbell: I'm Gone!
Garth Algar: Go then!
Wayne Campbell: But I am!

I don't get it. You cited three posts, two of which were the same. The duplicated complaint (the flame) was dealt with, and the remaining one could hardly be called a flame, much less a threat:

Kryozerkia, dear God I cannot express how much I hate your comment. The US just wants to spread the American dream, that everyone can have equal oppurtunity, which is why the US frees oppresed countrys. Granted we made a few mistakes, but never that bad or on purpose. If you don't like it get out of the US. I mean you are free to express your opion, but comparing US to a dictatorship thats just wrong. Oh and if you don't live in the US why don't you go live in Iran or North Korea.

PS: I am DEFINATELY not saying that you commited treason. That would be wrong. Ad I don't sopport that torture I think that is being no better than them.

PSS: Treason must have 2 witnesses and is punishable by death. Once again I am NOT saying you commited treason

Sure, there's contempt there, but that's par for the course with right-wing trolls.

If you need an excuse to leave, don't blame the mods. It's bad form.

I don't get it. You cited three posts, two of which were the same. The duplicated complaint (the flame) was dealt with, and the remaining one could hardly be called a flame, much less a threat:



Sure, there's contempt there, but that's par for the course with right-wing trolls.

If you need an excuse to leave, don't blame the mods. It's bad form.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12492266#post12492266

Here it is. If you follow the arrows back, the person that New new nebraska is replying to had originally addressed me.

Liberal as in the DEmocratic liberal (like john kerry) SENSE OF THE TERM NOT SO MUCH. ignorant is an understatement. I wanna punch this guy! Kyronika or watever the hell his name is that is.

It seems I can read this thread as long as I want, but

a) You complained only about 2 posts in this thread, which makes it difficult to get a mod ruling against 3
b) I can't see any threat in those 2 posts. Even posting the "F*** you" one twice didn't help.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12492266#post12492266

Here it is. If you follow the arrows back, the person that New new nebraska is replying to had originally addressed me.

Ah, I see. Maybe if you told the mods about that? It's not like they read every post just in case some of them might be bad...

I realise I posted one twice, but I found the offending one that was overlooked and ignored, and you know what? Seeing the response here makes me realise how little respect a person has when they feel that they aren't being taken seriously.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12492266#post12492266

Here it is. If you follow the arrows back, the person that New new nebraska is replying to had originally addressed me.
To be fair, I don't think you pointed that post out to the mods...

I realise I posted one twice, but I found the offending one that was overlooked and ignored, and you know what? Seeing the response here makes me realise how little respect a person has when they feel that they aren't being taken seriously.
I'm taking you seriously. I went back and read your complaints, didn't I? And I'm taking the time to respond to them here.

I just think you're overreacting. You can't blame the mods for not dealing with a post that was never brought to their attention.

It has now been brought to their attention. But I'm not holding my breath.

Okay, I took a 2nd look.

Where's the problem?

Seriously... give it some time.

We'll see your lefty snarky comments again I'm sure. :)

Okay, I took a 2nd look.

Where's the problem?

Seriously... give it some time.

We'll see your lefty snarky comments again I'm sure. :)

I have given it time and I've seen moderators on the forums, yet I see no response to the threat.

I have no reason to remain. I'm only answering you because you're one of a few decent folks here who I can respect.

I never had this problem on other forums, even when people knew me in real life and knew that in real life I'm one of the nastiest people they could ever piss off.

And you know what? I know I'm responding now, don't bother to point out the irony. This is the only thread I'm responding in.

I also know how Smunkeeville feels.

Kryozerkia...
Tracy I have given it time and I've seen moderators on the forums, yet I see no response to the threat. the mods need more time than 3-4 hours. the fact that your first 3 posts to them were within 4 minutes won't help your case.

I never had this problem on other forums, even when people knew me in real life and knew that in real life I'm one of the nastiest people they could ever piss off. and being "one of the nastiest people they could ever piss off" is reason for the mods to drop everything and rule in your favor?

And you know what? I know I'm responding now, don't bother to point out the irony. This is the only thread I'm responding in.Thought never crossed my mind. ;)

oh and posting while drunk/stoned and admitting it is never good.

I have no reason to remain. Farewell my friend. you will be missed. :(

I have given this a little thought and have reached the conclusion that the mods talk a good game but when you actually need them to meet out justice, you're out in the damn cold.

They are swift when it comes to cracking down on minor offenders and giving harsh punishment, but they fail to deal with those who make threats.

I have been at both ends of the stick. I intend to leave this place. You may see me in II, Gameplay or NationStates but no more NSG. I don't want to be here if there are people who don't get a slap on the wrist for threats.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522568

I have no real problem with the mods; I just don't like how this was handled. It makes me question how they handled the case where it was shown that there was a troll operating out of my IP address. I got a month ban for it, though that was reversed later. Yet, I had three nasty posts against me and only one was ruled on, with the threat ignored.

To those who provided me with a good debate, I will miss you.

Bye.

Cool down. However, I assume from your previous posts that have no intention of recanting your decision. In that case, goodbye. With this many people leaving, George Clooney better get his ass in gear and release the Jennifer Government movie. 12-year-old girls are better than nothing.

I realise I posted one twice, but I found the offending one that was overlooked and ignored

you mean...the one you never showed them?

Reminder: we are NOT mind readers. We can't do the job if you're not willing or able to point out where you were threatened. And while you may not believe it, I've been busy with other NS posters and their requests all morning.

so let me make sure I got this straight. You are upset because you because the mods didn't act on a threat, that wasn't a threat, in a post you didn't tell them about, after issuing a warning for the post you did, and you feel they weren't taking you seriously, after you admitted you were high.

you mean...the one you never showed them?

You mean the one I posted in my thread in moderation last night?

the mods need more time than 3-4 hours. the fact that your first 3 posts to them were within 4 minutes won't help your case.

and being "one of the nastiest people they could ever piss off" is reason for the mods to drop everything and rule in your favor?

Thought never crossed my mind. ;)

oh and posting while drunk/stoned and admitting it is never good.
1 - 3-4 hours? I posted it last night.

2 - No, it's a statement that I could have acted differently but I chose to not be an asshole

3 - See above.

You mean the one I posted in my thread in moderation last night?

Where? I checked all three of your links from last night. Not one is a threat. Go back. Click your links, and check them.

Where? I checked all three of your links from last night. Not one is a threat. Go back. Click your links, and check them.

And the the post that was also in that thread with a direct quote? :rolleyes:

And the the post that was also in that thread with a direct quote? :rolleyes:

You posted 3 links. The first two were identical, they both showed him telling you to F' off.

he was warned for this.

The third link was the standard neocon "if you don't like america, leave". Stupid, annoying, and rather ludicrus, but it's political opinion.

In NONE of those two posts did he threaten you. There was no threat made, at any time.

Then you quoted him, without providing any link what so ever, saying how he "wanted to punch you". Not was going to, not planned on it, not that you better watch out, but that he WANTED to. Not much of a threat.

And you provided no actual link to this, apparently expecting the moderators to delve through an 8 page thread looking for a threat, that wasn't really a threat, that offended you so much, but that you couldn't be bothered to supply a link to.

1 - 3-4 hours? I posted it last night. first post. 12:49 am
Last post I saw was 4:24 am and that did include Fris's response.

Also realize that it's Friday night/Saturday. mods are not paid to be mods... they do have lives outside of NS... as shocking as it can be for some of us. ;) I've seen mod requests/reports wait until monday before a ruling is made.

2 - No, it's a statement that I could have acted differently but I chose to not be an assholethen report it (which you did) and wait. ;) the mods do tend to get... irritated when people keep asking for a response. a bump here or there to keep it on the first page may be allowable, but the mods will get to it when they can.

Then you quoted him, without providing any link what so ever, saying how he "wanted to punch you". Not was going to, not planned on it, not that you better watch out, but that he WANTED to. Not much of a threat.

And you provided no actual link to this, apparently expecting the moderators to delve through an 8 page thread looking for a threat, that wasn't really a threat, that offended you so much, but that you couldn't be bothered to supply a link to.
The little green arrow next to the quoted poster's name is the link to the post.

I stand by my ruling.

My response was proportional to the offense. Your continued harping on the subject did not constitute an emergency on my part. The single flame was addressed, and the other posts, while harsh, were entirely within the standard practices of this forum.

If you're going to leave based on that, have at it.

You posted 3 links. The first two were identical, they both showed him telling you to F' off.

he was warned for this.

The third link was the standard neocon "if you don't like america, leave". Stupid, annoying, and rather ludicrus, but it's political opinion.

In NONE of those two posts did he threaten you. There was no threat made, at any time.

Then you quoted him, without providing any link what so ever, saying how he "wanted to punch you". Not was going to, not planned on it, not that you better watch out, but that he WANTED to. Not much of a threat.

And you provided no actual link to this, apparently expecting the moderators to delve through an 8 page thread looking for a threat, that wasn't really a threat, that offended you so much, but that you couldn't be bothered to supply a link to.

I think Kryozerkia is referring to post #8 in his Flame, Flame Flame thread. the one that has New new nebraska saying ...I wanna punch this guy! Kyronika or watever the hell his name is that is. That could be a personal threat.

I stand by my ruling.

My response was proportional to the offense. Your continued harping on the subject did not constitute an emergency on my part. The single flame was addressed, and the other posts, while harsh, were entirely within the standard practices of this forum.

If you're going to leave based on that, have at it.

question tho.

would ... I wanna punch this guy! Kyronika or watever the hell his name is that is. be considered a personal threat?

That is a personal threat.

No it isn't. Apparently not everyone can tell the difference between rhetoric and personal threats. He doesn't threaten in any way. I could say "Reading your idiotic reasoning makes me want to gouge my eyes out" without so much as adjusting my glasses.

Y'all can drop the "mods aren't online" chatter too. I saw the entire thread when I posted my ruling, and responded only to the relevant bits. I've also seen the continued whining and refrained from posting because I saw it as non-actionable. Kryozerkia's desire for an alternate ruling is not something I felt needed a response. Sorry that pissed him off, but meh.

I continue to stand by my ruling.

To those who provided me with a good debate, I will miss you.

Bye.

Wow, three people leaving NSG in one day. That must be some kind of a record.

Wow, three people leaving NSG in one day. That must be some kind of a record.

Not really.

No it isn't. Apparently not everyone can tell the difference between rhetoric and personal threats. He doesn't threaten in any way. I could say "Reading your idiotic reasoning makes me want to gouge my eyes out" without so much as adjusting my glasses.thanks for the clarification.

Y'all can drop the "mods aren't online" chatter too. I saw the entire thread when I posted my ruling, and responded only to the relevant bits. I've also seen the continued whining and refrained from posting because I saw it as non-actionable. Kryozerkia's desire for an alternate ruling is not something I felt needed a response. Sorry that pissed him off, but meh.

I continue to stand by my ruling.well, true, but the mods aren't on line all the time. ;)

wouldn't a "that isn't considered a threat" not only say that a mod did look at the item in question, but also not give the impression that the mods are ignoring anyone.

not telling you how to do your work, but just asking.

We often don't respond in threads where the problem appears to have resolved itself, or where the report is so entirely self-evidently non-actionable as to be unworthy of a response. I thought this was such a case. Apparently not.

So what you're saying is that mods should descend to the level of kindergarten teachers, and gently but firmly point out why they shouldn't whine when some minor transgression occurs? I'm sorry, but I'm not wired that way. Despite the fact that we have some school children here, most of General is young adults or full adults. I don't see a reason to mollycoddle them, and I don't.

Incidentally, screaming "I want justice! Why is my plea falling on deaf ears?" isn't going to win you any brownie points in court, and it's not gonna be any better here. Behave like a rational adult, and you'll be treated as one. Behave like a petulant child, and expect proportional treatment.

Incidentally, screaming "I want justice! Why is my plea falling on deaf ears?" isn't going to win you any brownie points in court, and it's not gonna be any better here. Behave like a rational adult, and you'll be treated as one. Behave like a petulant child, and expect proportional treatment.
I would. In fact, in the past I have, especially when I had a problem with the way something was handled. However, I don't like the feeling of having someone utter a threat at me. I had enough of that from school and I don't need it from some faceless coward who thinks I've committed treason when I don't even live in his damn nation.

And what I'm saying is that I don't always like the way the mods handle things, but I'm not saying they have to descend to a certain level. I won't offer a suggestion because I've never been a mod on a forum rampant with faceless twats who run amok when the cat goes away, and that's why the rules exist.

I would. In fact, in the past I have, especially when I had a problem with the way something was handled. However, I don't like the feeling of having someone utter a threat at me. I had enough of that from school and I don't need it from some faceless coward who thinks I've committed treason when I don't even live in his damn nation.

And what I'm saying is that I don't always like the way the mods handle things, but I'm not saying they have to descend to a certain level. I won't offer a suggestion because I've never been a mod on a forum rampant with faceless twats who run amok when the cat goes away, and that's why the rules exist.

Given your statements there, you really need to re-read, and rethink. He stated repeatedly he did not think you were guilty of treason in the link you posted. And if you're not in the same nation, there really isn't much 'threat' to a statement that someone might feel like punching you in the face then, is there? You however, are starting to get rather flamey with your continued responses. Maybe it's time to get a grip and step away from the computer for a bit. This is starting to look sillier than it did last night when you were, by self admission, stoned. Probably not the best state of mind to be arguing in, all things considered. Nor is being on a anger high, so to speak.

Do what you want man, but seriously - by all accounts, you just don't seem to be doing yourself any favors continuing along this line. It's a silly thing to get so upset about. You'll end up not remembered for whatever good or entertaining bits if you go out this way - you'll be remembered for making yourself look extremely foolish over nothing. Your choice.

Also realize that it's Friday night/Saturday. mods are not paid to be mods... Since when are mods paid to be mods any day of the week?

Since when are mods paid to be mods any day of the week?

He meant only that on these two nights people happen to go out and have a RL. I find it amazing myself, staying away from NS seems like some kind of heresy but meh, everyone has to do what they must. :)

Since when are mods paid to be mods any day of the week?

isn't that the days/nights that people with lives away from NS (as if there is such a thing...) go out to do... I dunno... Stuff... with other people... face-to-face...







or so I've heard...