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This thread seems to be nothing but a copycat thread which is supposed to parody my thread from the other day...Here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521399&page=1

Additionally, Jocabia’s thread seems to be intended to ridicule me in a permissible way but doing so by breaking the rules by making a new thread for it instead of posting it in the thread it is meant to ridicule, where it belongs and where it would be on topic.

Knowing our history, (we have both been warned to leave each other alone if we can’t keep prickishness out of our posts when they are directed at each other), it seems obvious that the entire thread here is intended to bully and intimidate and to gather support for discrediting me as a poster specifically, not just my point of view. As shown by the thread being used as an excuse to accuse me of being a troll. Like a lynch mob looking for other similarly minded people...

His thread has garnered the following types of responses, with no objection from him:
I get the feeling I'm missing something by having Poo Twaddle on ignore.

I want to be known as the first person to accuse Poot Waddle of being a troll. Is there a prize?

Also, I'd like to point out that Cluichistan was the first person to scream at me for thinking people with "political views other then my own" were trolls.

The rules I think he’s breaking in addition to disguised flamebaiting are:

Copycat threads: When somebody creates a popular thread, copycats and parodies quickly flood the forums. Like any other fad, a few can be fun, but once everyone starts to copycat them it becomes overbearing and spammish. Such threads may be locked or moved to Spam by any moderator who considers that thread to be a copycat or spam thread. Threads with genuine content may be left alone, but that probability increases dramatically when you don't use a fad title.

Instead of keeping it in the thread he is;
Griefing: Harrassing a nation because of what they did or said. This often manifests when one player follows another around in thread after thread, abusing and flaming the target nation. Note that this is distinct from Region Griefing, covered above.

Perhaps someone could look into it. At the very least, tell him to knock it off and put me on ignore if I personally bother him so much.

EDIT: I did try to ask him there, but he didn't respond, so I brought it here. Additonally, I suspect he's aware of his rule skimming, by his own admission...

I actually was thinking the same thing, but since people already think I'm a prick, I didn't want to add to the mounting evidence of my prickosity.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12456470&postcount=1

This thread seems to be nothing but a copycat thread which is supposed to parody my thread from the other day...Here http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521399&page=1

Additionally, Jocabia’s thread seems to be intended to ridicule me in a permissible way but doing so by breaking the rules by making a new thread for it instead of posting it in the thread it is meant to ridicule, where it belongs and where it would be on topic.

Knowing our history, (we have both been warned to leave each other alone if we can’t keep prickishness out of our posts when they are directed at each other), it seems obvious that the entire thread here is intended to bully and intimidate and to gather support for discrediting me as a poster specifically, not just my point of view. As shown by the thread being used as an excuse to accuse me of being a troll. Like a lynch mob looking for other similarly minded people...

His thread has garnered the following types of responses, with no objection from him:

The rules I think he’s breaking in addition to disguised flamebaiting are:

Copycat threads: When somebody creates a popular thread, copycats and parodies quickly flood the forums. Like any other fad, a few can be fun, but once everyone starts to copycat them it becomes overbearing and spammish. Such threads may be locked or moved to Spam by any moderator who considers that thread to be a copycat or spam thread. Threads with genuine content may be left alone, but that probability increases dramatically when you don't use a fad title.

Instead of keeping it in the thread he is;
Griefing: Harrassing a nation because of what they did or said. This often manifests when one player follows another around in thread after thread, abusing and flaming the target nation. Note that this is distinct from Region Griefing, covered above.

Perhaps someone could look into it. At the very least, tell him to knock it off and put me on ignore if I personally bother him so much.

EDIT: I did try to ask him there, but he didn't respond, so I brought it here. Additonally, I suspect he's aware of his rule skimming, by his own admission...

Obviously, you wish a Mod response, but I just wanted to point out a thing or two about one or two concepts raised here.

1) I have been accused of 'griefing' before - following other posters from thread to thread. Anyone who reads many of my posts knows that I am almost always involved in the serious religious discussions- so it is hardly surprising that I have turned up in the same thread as other 'religious thread posters' repeatedly.

I have even been accused of 'following' people to threads I was in before they were...


2) It looks like Jocabia has simply reduced your argument to the absurd. I'd say it's probably a fair debate tactic, although it may skirt the territory of logical fallacy.

It's like the threads mirroring "is homosexuality natural", but instead talking about something else, like "is being left-handed natural".


3) The rules you posted about copycat threads seem to say it is okay to parody a thread. It is when it gets into the multiples that it becomes a problem - at least, that's how it looks.


4) As far as I can see - Jocabia 'ridiculed' your argument, not you, by creating a parody.


Anyway - just a couple of thoughts.

Why is this request ignored?

Either tell me to grow a thicker skin. OR tell Jocabia that intentionally being a self-described prick IS a form of social flamebaiting and tell him to knock it off, I don't see how that's too much to ask.

As he said in his own post here though (before he deleted it), he's been accused of acting prickish 3 times in the last week alone, AND he thinks he’s within the rules because being a prick isn’t against the rules, alas, he wants to continue doing it. Perhaps for reasons unknown, or unseen, the Mods here simply don't want to tell him to knock it off... I don't know.


But either way, if the Mods can't even be arsed to tell him to knock it off OR tell me to go sod off, I'm not going to continue to endorse this forum...That’s not meant in a childish threatening way, but in a manner of not seeing the point of only allowing one political and social slant to have free reign and binding all other with restrictions to keep them at bay…


Entirely ignoring a request for a mod ruling seems rather odd though.

patience, grasshopper.

Oh...people...don't worry about jacobea...he is actually a nice guy when you get to know him.:fluffle: I know him in real life...he is a good guy...but yeah...

Why is this request ignored?

Either tell me to grow a thicker skin. OR tell Jocabia that intentionally being a self-described prick IS a form of social flamebaiting and tell him to knock it off, I don't see how that's too much to ask.

As he said in his own post here though (before he deleted it), he's been accused of acting prickish 3 times in the last week alone, AND he thinks he’s within the rules because being a prick isn’t against the rules, alas, he wants to continue doing it. Perhaps for reasons unknown, or unseen, the Mods here simply don't want to tell him to knock it off... I don't know.


But either way, if the Mods can't even be arsed to tell him to knock it off OR tell me to go sod off, I'm not going to continue to endorse this forum...That’s not meant in a childish threatening way, but in a manner of not seeing the point of only allowing one political and social slant to have free reign and binding all other with restrictions to keep them at bay…


You mean if the mods don't chip in soon you'll go away and leave us alone? YAY!

Why is this request ignored?

Either tell me to grow a thicker skin. OR tell Jocabia that intentionally being a self-described prick IS a form of social flamebaiting and tell him to knock it off, I don't see how that's too much to ask.

I didn't describe myself as a prick. I said some people have said I was. The destinction is not subtle. Amusingly, the post you quoted was one where I pointed out that I was holding back because I didn't want to be seen as a prick. Kind of hurts your claim that I want to continue doing it, don't you think? And, yes, Being a prick is not against the rules, my friend.

As he said in his own post here though (before he deleted it), he's been accused of acting prickish 3 times in the last week alone, AND he thinks he’s within the rules because being a prick isn’t against the rules, alas, he wants to continue doing it. Perhaps for reasons unknown, or unseen, the Mods here simply don't want to tell him to knock it off... I don't know.

I haven't been accused of acting prickish three times in a week. They can read the deleted post, so claiming it says things it does not is not going to help you. I was accused of following people around, both of whom I only have a passing awareness of. I, reported spamming, that was in fact spamming and the person he reported suggested it was the result of an obsession with that poster. Another poster was flaming and he accused Jocabia of a similar obsession. It had nothing to do with being a "prick". Oddly, yours is the first claim by a poster I actually encounter with any regularity.

Meanwhile, I haven't ever been a prick on purpose, so your claims that I "want" to keep doing it is, well, simply silly.



But either way, if the Mods can't even be arsed to tell him to knock it off OR tell me to go sod off, I'm not going to continue to endorse this forum...That’s not meant in a childish threatening way, but in a manner of not seeing the point of only allowing one political and social slant to have free reign and binding all other with restrictions to keep them at bay…


Entirely ignoring a request for a mod ruling seems rather odd though.

Yes, yes, the old mod bias rears it's ugly head. Never mind that posters on EVERY side think that bias exists. It must exist since you don't get your way every time you report something. The mods are anti-american, pro-american, theist, atheist, right, left, pro-war, anti-war, etc. depending on which poster isn't get their way that particular day. If I had to guess someone is investigating the veracity of your claim. Patience is a virtue.

You realize that not every incident I report gets handled the way I'd like, yes? Some aren't handled at all, that I can see, but I always just assume that the mods handle their business as they handle their business and that aside from notifying them, it's none of my concern. The thread you want to be treated as a copycat (which would mean it would be deleted or moved to spam) fell of the page and hasn't been active so they probably just let it die a natural death. How will deleting the thread or moving it to spam accomplish anything?

Greifing: I can't grief you by appearing in a thread before you. I think you know that, so your claim of griefing has no merit. You claimed a thread I created was somehow greifing you. That's virtually impossible. Meanwhile, it was to attack a frequent ID argument and YOU are not the only one who makes those types of arguments. If anything it was an attack on that Dr. Finney's position. You just happen to be the poster who posted it on the board, this time.

I debate about religion. Nearly 15,000 posts, the majority of which have been in threads about religion of some fashion or another. I debate with the posters i find there. I'm sorry that this means that your claims do not go unmolested on a debate forum. Them getting debated is kind of the point, so being upset about being asked to debate your claims is also rather silly. I have no personal issue with you. I only know your arguments and I react to them. Like it or not, that's how debate goes on.

Copycat: As to the copycat thread, you do notice that in the rule you quoted it says that they are within the rules provided they do not get out of hand. I posted my thread as a serious attempt to expose the folly of the ID claim. It was an honest attempt at debate. And suggesting that a post that says NOTHING about you personally is a personal attack because it makes your argument look silly is patently laughable. If the mods make it against the rules to make silly arguments look silly, debate would pretty much come to a screeching halt. Your arguments are not you, no matter how personally you take it when someone exposes your argument.

And I didn't realize that it was my job to stop people from mildly insulting you. Now that I know, I'll try to perfrom better at that in the future. Seriously, this entire complaint is absurd which is why I deleted my original comments. However, since just letting it go isn't good enough for you, now you can see what I think about it.

The rules are clear. I'm not skirting them. At all. I'm not attempting to skirt them. I have no intention of skirting them. You don't like that I debate with you. There's an ignore function. You're welcome to use it. I won't mind. Then I can go on pointing out the folly of your arguments and you won't have to feel like attacks on your arguments are personal.

EDIT: And, yes, you did ask me in the thread and I and several other posters let you know that we were exposing the argument and that it had nothing to do with you. Reducto ad absurdium is a valid debate tactic. I'm sorry you don't like it and think because you made the argument that is' a personal attack, but it really has NOTHING to do with you. For all I know, you're actually 5 actual people or 1000 or you're the person behind every single poster on the forum. I have no idea, nor do I care.

You mean if the mods don't chip in soon you'll go away and leave us alone? YAY!

I'm pretty sure you're not helping matters.

Entirely ignoring a request for a mod ruling seems rather odd though.

We have lives too, and this has been a particularly busy period for all of the active mods. I've had time to pop on and resolve a few simple fixes, but not enough time to analyze several extensive threads to make a complicated ruling.

Your quotes on copycat and griefing threads are irrelevant and will be ignored. Please don't quote the rules at us. We know them.

As for the rest of your complaint, it appears that you need a "grow a skin" response in order to start the cellular mitosis process, so consider it given.

As I understand it, "No parody or copycat threads" tends to be ignored. Especially if they're funny. Other than that, the other stuff you quoted aren't even against the rules.

As I understand it, "No parody or copycat threads" tends to be ignored. Especially if they're funny. Other than that, the other stuff you quoted aren't even against the rules.

it's not ignored. some threads are "inspired by" others are parodies. but I think the Copycat thread rule gets activated when there are 3+ threads either directly copying each other (Ask a...) or parody another singular thread. but the mods needs to confirm this.

it's not ignored. some threads are "inspired by" others are parodies. but I think the Copycat thread rule gets activated when there are 3+ threads either directly copying each other (Ask a...) or parody another singular thread. but the mods needs to confirm this.

Um, that's not a tangent, but that's my experience to. It seems the mods treat it like most threads and let it remain if it has value, let it die if it's gonna die and only deal with it if it's a problem.