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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517024

What does this have to do with...anything...again?

this place is a community.

i have been here long enough to get to know people to some degree at least.

hence asking for advice and help from a community of people who do care and people many of whom i know have similar problems seems quite sensible to me.

a blog would be a) more regular, and b) more about my ordinary everyday life or opinions on things. this is neither.



More than anything, he needs to find a better place to whine about it. As much as I'm sure you all want to read my personal problems, you don't see me posting them here. Oh what's that? You don't care? Exactly...

and just because you don't care or it isn't relavent to you, doesn't mean other people don't care or that my problems aren't vaguely important to some people (by this i mean important enough to read a post and reply, not necessarily "important"). as i said, this is a community, and this is the kind of things communities do.


and for the record i have been seeking professional help with all of this but the NHS don't want to hear about it as the mental health facilities in this area are abysmal :(
i will have to go private and that makes money an issue.

i personally trust the views and opinions of a lot of people on this forum - in this community - and respect a lot of people, too. in some ways i'd rather go to these people for help and advice than go back to my doctor as these people i respect, and these people often have personal experience and advice they are willing to share... actual life experience with the issues i'm asking about.

but hey, thanks for trying to stop me from getting this help from people i trust. i wouldn't want to inconvenience you by making you look past a thread you're not interested in now would i?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=517024

What does this have to do with...anything...again?
Last time I checked, the top of the page read

jolt.co.uk public forums > Massive Multiplayer Online Games > NationStates > Anything & Everything > General

If you don't want to hear or read about other peoples' problems, then simply don't.
If you want to discuss something differently, the board's right there and you can make your own thread.
Jesus Fucking Christ, is it really that hard to simply ignore what you don't like? It's not like you own NationStates General.

I for one am more than happy to discuss what's on PM's mind than having to deal with a whiner like you.
People like PM are those that make this community what it is and what I like about it. I can't say the same thing about you, although you've been here a little longer than I have.

If a new member posted that some stuff, it'd probably be shipped off to Spam or, more likely, Chat. No offense, PM, but just having been around a long time doesn't give you some special privileges, IMHO.

If a new member posted that some stuff, it'd probably be shipped off to Spam or, more likely, Chat. No offense, PM, but just having been around a long time doesn't give you some special privileges, IMHO.

i think actually being a long time member of the community does.

and imho i wouldn't send a similar thread to spam if it were by a noob and not a regular... if it were up to me

For the sake of argument ... Blogs are used for anything you want, as a note. Especially given the ease with which you can get responses on them, all in one nice neat place, and a better chance of avoiding random troublemakers popping in just to mess with you than a forum board - at least that's been my experience. *shrugs*

Anything and Everything has been argued as poor phrasing for the General forum, as obviously Anything and Everything is indeed not allowed on any of the forums - all per moderator actions and clarifications.

Length of time on the forums has never been a good measure of 'what you can get away with', given the mods have spanked folks at all 'levels' of the game when out of line. That sort of appeal to authority based on being a long-time player smacks of favoritism and different rulesets for different players, and if that were the case, I'm afraid I'd be a tad disappointed.

As for Steel, perhaps you can excuse his enthusiasm. He's been on a bit of a crusade to Keep Our Forums Clean ever since he found out he can't post anything he likes wherever he likes, as can be evidenced by the continual cropping up of 'If I can't, no one can' comments in his reports and commentary.

I can't argue the whole 'online community' aspect of things, but then there's places for the chatting, whether lighthearted or no, and options that can be easily used if a topic is found to be unsuitable for one reason or other. Best of luck with your problems, regardless of how this all pans. I'm sure it can't be easy drawing lines sometimes when the forum is where you see yourself as having the best support.

To be short and sweet (because I cant concentrate on the computer screen, seeing as I'm dizzy as all hell), I see no problem with it; however, I'll defer it to another moderator who can make a better judgement.

....Jesus F*&%ing Christ...

You may want to take it easy on that language in the Moderation Forum. Just a suggestion.

These thread seem to come up from time to time, and AFAIK, no one's had any issues with them before. I've seen the dating help threads, the "my teacher's eeeevil" threads, and I posted a going-insane-at-work thread and no one's complained before.

NSG is a good place to vent because you have all sorts of people who are (in some form or another) willing to chime in with their $.02 and make you smile, cry, laugh, or just basically wonder where the human race is headed. ;)

Just rambling now. *Rambles on*

This doesn't read like a blog to me. I don't see anything wrong with asking people for advice on NS General within reason. If PM had posted that thread on International Incidents or Gameplay, I could see it getting moved. But this doesn't have that inane I'm-posting-here-because-I'm-bored-and-I-have-nothing-better-to-do feel that some blogs have.

i think actually being a long time member of the community does.
No, actually, it doesn't. The premise behind these forums is that anyone can read and post, whether they've just joined or been playing for years. The overall tenor of General needs to be primarily accessible to all players whether newb or old-timer.

That said, the occasional use of General for this sort of thread has long been deemed acceptable. There have been posters who abused the privilege and were asked (and later told) to stop, but that's been the exception rather than the rule. Were someone to create a thread for the express purpose of non-NS blogging, we'd shut that down as we pointed you towards blogger.com.


and imho i wouldn't send a similar thread to spam if it were by a noob and not a regular... if it were up to me
And as a rule, we don't. However, we do judge each instance individually, and our judgement will naturally be based on our personal opinions of what is acceptable here. That's how 'homework help' and 'word game' threads got banned, through abuse of our lenience.

I'll back dizzy Euroslavia's call on this one.

No, actually, it doesn't. The premise behind these forums is that anyone can read and post, whether they've just joined or been playing for years. The overall tenor of General needs to be primarily accessible to all players whether newb or old-timer.

That said, the occasional use of General for this sort of thread has long been deemed acceptable. There have been posters who abused the privilege and were asked (and later told) to stop, but that's been the exception rather than the rule. Were someone to create a thread for the express purpose of non-NS blogging, we'd shut that down as we pointed you towards blogger.com.


ok, i should have said "i think actually being a long time member of the community should"... as in, i meant 'does' in a non-practical way. but thats imho and talking from a purely community-biased perspective (not considering this is an active, commercial forum etc etc)

anyhoo, the upshot of this is basically 'its ok if you're not spamming NSG with this shit all the time', right?

As for Steel, perhaps you can excuse his enthusiasm. He's been on a bit of a crusade to Keep Our Forums Clean ever since he found out he can't post anything he likes wherever he likes, as can be evidenced by the continual cropping up of 'If I can't, no one can' comments in his reports and commentary.

All I'm looking for is consistency. Is it a crusade of sorts? In crude terms, perhaps. But my intentions, or seemingly more important, my "supposed intentions," should play no part on the validity of such threads or not.

I had a thread no so long ago that was asking for "honest advice" or whatnot. It got thrown into "Jolt Chat." I see no reason why Pure Metal's thread shouldn't find the same fate. Once again, consistency is all I seek. I fail to see how Pure Metal's thread is any more "look at me" than mine was.

All I'm looking for is consistency. Is it a crusade of sorts? In crude terms, perhaps. But my intentions, or seemingly more important, my "supposed intentions," should play no part on the validity of such threads or not.

I had a thread no so long ago that was asking for "honest advice" or whatnot. It got thrown into "Jolt Chat." I see no reason why Pure Metal's thread shouldn't find the same fate. Once again, consistency is all I seek. I fail to see how Pure Metal's thread is any more "look at me" than mine was.

That is probably a lot of your problem.

That is probably a lot of your problem.

Of course, I'm more than willing to surrender my "stance" to Mod opinion, as always. If they wish to enlighten me in some error of my ways, I'm sure they will.

That said, the occasional use of General for this sort of thread has long been deemed acceptable. There have been posters who abused the privilege and were asked (and later told) to stop, but that's been the exception rather than the rule. Were someone to create a thread for the express purpose of non-NS blogging, we'd shut that down as we pointed you towards blogger.com.

However, we do judge each instance individually, and our judgement will naturally be based on our personal opinions of what is acceptable here.

Your thread was neither in General, hence not in the same category as this, nor was it dealing with at all the same sorts of things. And I believe you were answered adequately then, and in this thread, with the official rulings above, though if I'm mistaken, I'm certain the mods will clarify and set me straight.

Sometimes simple observation serves one adequately.

Of course, I'm more than willing to surrender my "stance" to Mod opinion, as always. If they wish to enlighten me in some error of my ways, I'm sure they will.

Enlightenment is a purely personal achievement. It cannot be given to you by Moderators or anyone else. You have to let it happen.

You've already heard plenty of Mod opinion, so I think we're done here.