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I regret to inform you that we may or may not have turned up a Troll.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12100991#post12100991

Unfortunatly, it seems the entire thread has degenerated into Troll-feeding.

Sorry, forgot to add his name: RuleCaucasia

Three posts is hardly degenerating into troll feeding...

Of course we feed that troll, he amuses us with his lack of real arguments.

I miss MTAE and FourthReich

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12104114&postcount=661

Oh he's several shades of MTAE there. He's ignoring arguments and coming up with "points" that are so far out of reality as to be laughable. Wouldn't shock me if it was everyone's favorite troll back again.

Get him Kat!

He's ignoring arguments and coming up with "points" that are so far out of reality as to be laughable.

If you think that there is something wrong with my points, then kindly debate them with me. However, if you are incapable of doing so, that doesn't make my points "laughable." I am simply pointing out some flaws in our modern scientific theory and forcing people to contemplate the issues rather than blindly believe in what the scientific power structure tells them. Sometimes I feel like Galileo here, trying to tell people that the world is spherical.

Sometimes I feel like Galileo here, trying to tell people that the world is spherical.

Tee.

If you think that there is something wrong with my points, then kindly debate them with me. However, if you are incapable of doing so, that doesn't make my points "laughable." I am simply pointing out some flaws in our modern scientific theory and forcing people to contemplate the issues rather than blindly believe in what the scientific power structure tells them. Sometimes I feel like Galileo here, trying to tell people that the world is spherical.

Sometimes he sound like MTAE. The fact that he created the NS within 2 days of MTAE's last activity is a coincidence. As is the coincidence that they both live in Kansas, apparently.

The only similarity between MeansToAnEnd and me is that we converse in coherent sentences. Aside from that, our viewpoints are diametrically opposed and I wouldn't even want to be seen anywhere near him. He is not only an atheists, but he has no compunction for the poor and he claims that religious people are stupid. In fact, it makes me sad to know that he lives in the same state that I do.

"diametrically opposed" reminded me of this post

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12026134&postcount=23

But hey, that's just a linguistic phrase. Not everyone who uses that phrase is the same person, of course. And the other similarities, and the fact that both rail against the "liberals" of this forum, and one praises the other for being "coherent," and both create trolling threads.... coincidence, I say.

Sometimes he sound like MTAE. The fact that he created the NS within 2 days of MTAE's last activity is a coincidence. As is the coincidence that they both live in Kansas, apparently.

I do find it interesting that he drew that parallel. Did he say Kansas anywhere? The fact is that they DO live in the same state, and it ISN'T Kansas. Not even close, in fact.

As is the coincidence that they both live in Kansas, apparently.

If I actually was MeansToAnEnd and I was attempting to conceal my secret identity, you'd think that I'd have the common sense to say that I lived in New York, or Amsterdam, or something. However, I'm not going to falsify my location just to satiate your paranoid theories. Just because I'm religious doesn't mean that I'm an idiot, you know (which is something that MeansToAnEnd seemed to believe, aside from the inferiority of the poor, our army, the stupid, etc.).

the fact that both rail against the "liberals" of this forum

I don't rail against liberals; I simply feel pity for the sinners who have not found Jesus, but I attempt to not espouse that view, as it might be construed as trolling. Furthermore, I consider myself a socialist and a liberal on economic issues, so I have no problem with liberals.

and one praises the other for being "coherent,"

Amidst an entire post describing how immoral and disgusting MeansToAnEnd was, I said one attribute that was in his favor. Obviously, he and I must be the same person, because, as I said, we have one (and only one) thing in common!

The fact is that they DO live in the same state, and it ISN'T Kansas. Not even close, in fact.

Really? Is it possible that whatever you use to figure out in which state I lived is tricked by the proxy from which I am connected to the internet (I think it's based in New Jersey, or perhaps New York or Virginia).

Really? Is it possible that whatever you use to figure out in which state I lived is tricked by the proxy from which I am connected to the internet (I think it's based in New Jersey, or perhaps New York or Virginia).

MTAE said the same thing whilst denying a puppet.

MTAE said the same thing whilst denying a puppet.

Well, if a moderator's tools are showing that I am in a different state (or country?), either it is something that I am doing or the tools are dysfunctional. Since this site is banned on the school network, I use a proxy to get around it, which may make it say that I live somewhere else. I'm not sure that it is, but it's the only thing that comes to mind.

Really? Is it possible that whatever you use to figure out in which state I lived is tricked by the proxy from which I am connected to the internet (I think it's based in New Jersey, or perhaps New York or Virginia).

really?

because in this post:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12104432&postcount=679

you claim to come from Kansas.


we now hear from the Mod. that neither of you are/were from Kansas, and yet you both say you are.

so which is it?

so which is it?

I don't know about MeansToAnEnd, who was probably a troll from a region outside Kansas, I but I live in Kansas.

Well, if a moderator's tools are showing that I am in a different state (or country?), either it is something that I am doing or the tools are dysfunctional. Since this site is banned on the school network, I use a proxy to get around it, which may make it say that I live somewhere else. I'm not sure that it is, but it's the only thing that comes to mind.

They do filtering but neglect http proxies ... incompetent to say the least

Oh. Everybody knows he's a troll. Is the Holocaust Confrence thread still up? If so, read it. He's sitting there coming up with antisemetic consiracy theories while he's typing and then using them as evidence.

I do find it interesting that he drew that parallel. Did he say Kansas anywhere? The fact is that they DO live in the same state, and it ISN'T Kansas. Not even close, in fact.

RuleCaucasia said Kansas. But aside from one single post (in which MTAE was going on about how he or his family immigrated from a communist Eastern European nation to Kansas) the only place MTAE mentioned that was in his profile in "location" and that isn't there anymore. I did a quick search and couldn't find that one post either, but of course RC claims he was browsing the forums for a while and just happens to have found that one.

My point, though RC here will deny it vigorously, is not that one single thing here makes him MTAE. But like MTAE, it was an aggragate of all posts and styles that lead to the conclusion his main goal was to troll for negative attention. I think you will see as time goes on that the styles are so strikingly similar that even if RC and MTAE are separate individuals, they are both trolls.

It is, incidentally, not particularly hard to verify whether or not an IP is an open proxy. Although I still miss the OPM. :(

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I don't know about MeansToAnEnd, who was probably a troll from a region outside Kansas, I but I live in Kansas.

Lemme guess...you've got a mansion in Smallville? :p

Lemme guess...you've got a mansion in Smallville? :p

No, and I don't even know where that locality is within Kansas. I did a search on it on Google Maps, but no results were returned.

Here we have MTAE.. I mean RC, advocating killing homosexuals:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12118177&postcount=1194

No, and I don't even know where that locality is within Kansas. I did a search on it on Google Maps, but no results were returned.

Oh my God...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_%28DC_Comics%29

You may be a troll, but at least READ COMICS! :D

Here we have MTAE.. I mean RC, advocating killing homosexuals:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12118177&postcount=1194

Should practicing homosexuals be killed?Only if other punishments and/or deterrents prove ineffective. It should only be a last resort.
dunno, it seems RC is equating Homosexuality as a crime as his reference to other punnishments and/or deterrents...

so while I don't agree with RC, I don't see it as Advocating killing homosexuals as to Advocating Captial Punnishment...

Oh my God...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smallville_%28DC_Comics%29

You may be a troll, but at least READ COMICS! :D

It's called feigning ignorance and is typical troll behaviour.

dunno, it seems RC is equating Homosexuality as a crime as his reference to other punnishments and/or deterrents...

so while I don't agree with RC, I don't see it as Advocating killing homosexuals as to Advocating Captial Punnishment...

You do realize that Fred Phelps once put the things in the same terms as he did, right?

You do realize that Fred Phelps once put the things in the same terms as he did, right?

and Fred Phelps can express his opinions as much as you and anyone else. we don't have to listen to it, or agree with it. but he can say it.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to defend your right to say it."

now should he (Phelps) or RC put his opinions into action...

and Fred Phelps can express his opinions as much as you and anyone else. we don't have to listen to it, or agree with it. but he can say it.

"I may not agree with what you say, but I will fight to defend your right to say it."

now should he (Phelps) or RC put his opinions into action...Actually, what I think was being hinted at there is that Phelps can't express his opinions as much as he likes, at least not on the NS forums, because his website happens to be a forbidden link here.

Actually, what I think was being hinted at there is that Phelps can't express his opinions as much as he likes, at least not on the NS forums, because his website happens to be a forbidden link here.

Further, what is a homosexual but "someone that has homosexual sex"? Homosexual thoughts? Not enough to define a homosexual, since, if I write here "picture yourself having sexual relations with Elton John" or "picture yourself having such relations with Julia Roberts", you WILL picture that due to the thought being quicker than the will. And I covered the bases well enough to make both sexes bisexual by the "thoughts" definition. Taste? Doesn't work like that at all, someone that's in the so-called age of discovery can think of both: for one to be a homosexual one must have homosexual sex (and, presumably, enjoy it, but that's something else). If he's advocating death for homosexual sex, he's advocating death for homosexuals. Going "last resource" or "I'm only talking about punishing the ACT" are but attempts to prevent his own ban for the hate speech and the advocating of genocide against homosexuals that he spouts. How many "reincidencies" are we talking here for someone to be put to death? Well, that will have to be asked to RC, but you get the point.

A comparison to Fourth "I'm not advocating rape, I'm advocating its decriminalization" Reich's thought process comes to mind.

(Disclaimer: Not a mod, this is my opinion, to which I arrived by reasoning)

Actually, what I think was being hinted at there is that Phelps can't express his opinions as much as he likes, at least not on the NS forums, because his website happens to be a forbidden link here.
linking to his site, yes, and several other sites are also banned, but if Phelps himself were to create a nation and hop onto the boards, as long as he abides by the rules, then he can participate.

Further, what is a homosexual but "someone that has homosexual sex"? Homosexual thoughts? Not enough to define a homosexual, since, if I write here "picture yourself having sexual relations with Elton John" or "picture yourself having such relations with Julia Roberts", you WILL picture that due to the thought being quicker than the will. And I covered the bases well enough to make both sexes bisexual by the "thoughts" definition. Taste? Doesn't work like that at all, someone that's in the so-called age of discovery can think of both: for one to be a homosexual one must have homosexual sex (and, presumably, enjoy it, but that's something else). If he's advocating death for homosexual sex, he's advocating death for homosexuals. Going "last resource" or "I'm only talking about punishing the ACT" are but attempts to prevent his own ban for the hate speech and the advocating of genocide against homosexuals that he spouts. How many "reincidencies" are we talking here for someone to be put to death? Well, that will have to be asked to RC, but you get the point.

A comparison to Fourth "I'm not advocating rape, I'm advocating its decriminalization" Reich's thought process comes to mind.

(Disclaimer: Not a mod, this is my opinion, to which I arrived by reasoning)
the definition of Homosexuality should be debated in General and not here.

The original complaint is that RC is advocating killing homosexuals. the post referenced isn't a call to exterminate homosexuals but seems to be treating it more like captial punnishment and used after all other... punishments/deterrents fail.

Should all posts that support abortion also be included as advocating killing a child?
Should all Posts that support Capital Punishment be included as advocating murder?

Now had RC said that all homosexuals be killed on the onset, then yes, I would join in and say he’s advocating killing homosexuals. But he seems to think that Homosexuality is not just a sin, but a crime. So we should be working on correcting that way of thought. Not censoring it.

and as for Third Reichs argument... like RC's it all dependant on how it's worded.

An observation:

As much as some folks have a problem with trolling and baiting, some of you have a problem with obsession, and dare I say, perhaps stalking? I can't remember how often some of you have been told the same thing (unpopular/distasteful views are allowed, argue them or ignore them if you're incapable of doing it within acceptable bounds), over and over, and even when given time out by the mods on account in some cases, it just doesn't get through.

Of course, make a report if you feel it necessary, but the lengths some are going to, and the extent to which some are vociferously are out to lynch folks is really getting beyond silly.

The original complaint is that RC is advocating killing homosexuals. the post referenced isn't a call to exterminate homosexuals but seems to be treating it more like captial punnishment and used after all other... punishments/deterrents fail.

He's not advocating killing homosexuals... he's just advocating killing homosexuals and calling it capital punishment. ;)

That's not any different from the pedophiles who want to argue for child rape, but that child rape should be called "consentual sex." And that wasn't really allowed on this forum either IIRC.

Should all posts that support abortion also be included as advocating killing a child?

This is a poor analogy. Whether "killing a child" has anything to do with abortion is highly debatable.

On the other hand, killing homosexuals is killing homosexuals.

Stick to the topic please. This thread is about a possible troll. It's not about discussing the merits of killing homosexuals, or anything like that.

He's not advocating killing homosexuals... he's just advocating killing homosexuals and calling it capital punishment. ;)

That's not any different from the pedophiles who want to argue for child rape, but that child rape should be called "consentual sex." And that wasn't really allowed on this forum either IIRC.

This is a poor analogy. Whether "killing a child" has anything to do with abortion is highly debatable.

On the other hand, killing homosexuals is killing homosexuals.
ah, now you are on dangerous grounds. Sex with a minors is a crime and thus anything to promote it violates the CoC, that and such threads have always (in my opinion) degenerated to flaming and never produced anything civil, thus the mod action to ban it.

I've never seen any thread arguing for Rape to be called consentual. I know some threads said that Minors should be able to consent, but not that Rape should be called consentual...

Back on topic tho. if his post that was singled out here is considered trolling, then again, what I provided wasn't Analogies, but examples of other things that will be considered trolling as this ruling would set a precident.



Stick to the topic please. This thread is about a possible troll. It's not about discussing the merits of killing homosexuals, or anything like that.



didn't see anything here about the MERITS of killing anyone.

but I am willing to wait for mod decision. just putting my views of what was posted here.