NationStates Jolt Archive

The nations Vitualis, The Auspicious, and Me Thinkest Not, among other nations were deleted yesterday. I, being the fellow who owned them, am unsure why exactly this happened.
I had, as I was unaware it was illegal, Spammed the Regional Happenings of Poland, and was presumably reported for this.
But methinks the punishment over harsh. Certainly, it would be reasonable to delete the offending nations and warn my main nation, I expected as much. But my two main nations, Vitualis and The Auspicious, were deleted as well; these nations were not the offending ones. The Auspicious had sat in the same region for at least a month and Vitualis had been indeed moving back and forth out of the region Poland, but it was not Regional Happenings spam. I was using Vitualis to post questions and clarifications on the RMB of Poland as there was some debate, oddly enough, over whether or not the region was being invaded.
Deletation of all my known nations seems over harsh for a spam offense, particularly when it is the first offense made.
I would love to know exactly why my nations were deleted, particularly those that had done nothing wrong.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=496452

The nations were deleted for puppet flooding.

Yes, I noted that some of the deleted nations had been engaged in the said activity in my first post, and that I fully expected them to be deleted for such. But "The Auspicious" and "Vitualis" had not been engaged in the said activity.
So are you saying that you deleted "Vitualis' and "the Auspicious" simply because they were owned by the same person? It doesn't quite make sense. There were several other nations I owned, one of them which would appear to be my main nation by size and has about as much activity as the others, which were not deleted. Why not those as well if you wanted to get rid of all my nations?
And if it the case that you deleted them all because I owned them, whatever the logic, wouldn't that at least be slightly overharsh. The thread you cited just now does state that it is "It's understandable that they might think from the FAQ that creating and moving around an unlimited number of non-UN nations is okay." The punishment seems harsh for something admitedly blury.

Just a note: The fellows, to all appearances invaders from The Blades of Conquest, who reported me, probably intentionally mentioned the nations that had done nothing and possibly exagerated the offense--I know naught of the latter but of the former I am certain. I suspect as much because they were waiting for those nations deletation: Literally seconds after they were deleted, the region that Vitualis had founded was invaded. And within the hour the region that "The Auspicious" had founded was as well. BoC was quite obviously planning on my deletation.

I fully expected them to be deleted for such.
Intentional rulebreaking has more drastic results than casual rulebreaking. Why is it OK for you (the player) to create disposable nations specifically for the purpose of rulebreaking, but you think you (the player) should have no further responsibilities for your (the player's) activities?

Why didn't we kill all of them? Well, we wanted to make a point, and we just took out the easy and obvious UN nations first, that's all. I'd be delighted to take out the rest of them if the point hasn't been sufficiently driven home.

Literally seconds after they were deleted, the region that Vitualis had founded was invaded.
Quite the good reason not to respond to legal invasion activity with illegal puppet flooding activity.

When the nations were created, and when they were used I was unaware that Regional Happenings Spam was illegal, even that such a thing existed.
I do hold myself responsible for the actions of my puppets; I do however think the punishment overly harsh. If I was creating these nations purposefully, I would still not understand why some nations were not deleted, I would have thought that they all would and should be deleted.
Just to clarify as it seems you are of the opinion that I had multiple UN nations: I have never had more than one UN nation. And none of the nations that I, unwittingly and unaware, used to spam the Regional Happenings, were UN nations.
I do not mean to seem beligerent or rude, as I have apparantly appeared, for which I apologize. I have no intention of offending any of you fellows, I know that you are just doing your job, and that I am probably incorrect and that even if I am not I have no reason to hold it against you if you did nothing about it or to feel supierior or in anyway better if you do approve my appeal. I am truly sorry for the offense I have apparantly created.

I am really only posting this because there are several things in Frisbeeteria's post which are not exactly what happened, again no offense intended. Please understand that I naturally want my appeal approved and that I will try to correct anything which seems to be weighing heavily in on the decision, particularly if the misunderstanding is of my creating.

We've never accepted the "I didn't know" excuse before, so that's right out. Anyone who has read the FAQ knows that spamming is against the rules, and everyone should have read the FAQ. It is linked from EVERY page of the game, after all.

As for puppet flooding, that's become such an annoyance that harsh measures are immediately called for. Your nation names made it clear that you were doing so extremely intentionally, so you got the full punishment.

I didn't mean to imply that you had simultaneous nations in the UN. It was clear that they entered and exited sequentially.

Fine, then I understand now. I have, beside the following snippet, nothing more to say. I'll try to be a law abiding citizen of NS ;)
Just to note, I did not "spam" as defined in the FAQ. [violet] even said that this understandably is not infered from the FAQ: "]It's understandable that they might think from the FAQ that creating and moving around an unlimited number of non-UN nations is okay.

The whole quotation gives the context:

"]Oh, and by the way, I agree that doing almost anything with vast numbers of nations is spamming. Players should be made aware of that. It's understandable that they might think from the FAQ that creating and moving around an unlimited number of non-UN nations is okay. But it's not; not when you're talking about these kinds of numbers.

I know, and I am again, fully to blame. But I was merely talking about the fact that one should not be blamed for not reading the FAQ about this, as it isn't there, though I suppose this is nit picking as we should read the One Stop Rules Shop as well.

Hmm..., mabey the One Stop Rules thing should be somewhere in NS so that people don't offend anyone.

Is it possible to make a region, and allow Puppets to move in and out freely while they are on idle? You know what, the answer is probably yes, so I shall make such a region, with the first ever puppet I make. It shall be called "The Community of Puppetlordinance"

Hmm..., mabey you should not gravedig threads in Moderation.