NationStates Jolt Archive

I was AFK for a few hours to watch some recorded programs from last night and when I got back my remaining nations and those of most of my friends who had remained in the United Earth Oceans region were deleted.

Now, I've not flamed, that I know of, nor have I broken any rules of the forums or NS since I started posting as SQDSV only. All my OOC posts have been clean and all my IC posts have been just that, In character and not a reflection of my personal opinions.

Also, most of friend's nations that were deleted had never even been on the forums. Except for a few that tried it on for a few posts, some longer than others, they generally kept to themselves.

Now, I request a reason for all these deletions and that all those nations be restored. If need be, I can provide a complete list of all our nations.

We know them.

We know they're your sockpuppets.

We know they conveniently filled the regional message board with sockpuppet spam within moments of each other.

We know, and you know, that you've been warned about this sort of thing and that the next time you stepped out of line you'd lose them all.

Well, you did and here we are now.

My remaining puppets were Jarvon, SeaQuest DSV, Velantia, Macronesian Alliance, and New SeaQuest. Planet Zi was my sister's main nation and the others belonged to various other friends of mine.

If you are going to punish us for RPing with our various puppets with the 'newcomers', then I don't see what things are coming to. As I recall, there is no rule about RPing.

And if you call that spam, then you should also call what the region jackers were posting as spam as well.

I sat by and didn't pursue it in regards to the deletion of SQ, SSQ, and SQ2032. However, you have gone to far this time. You have deleted more than just my nations, you've deleted my friends's nations.

If you don't believe me, then explain the various IPs. Explain how more than one of us was able to be logged in at the same time.

You know full well which nations are mine, I've made no secret of them. However, the others are not and were never mine. Now, I know you won't believe it, but you have my honest to god word on that.

When a group of friends can't RP with other's, be it on the forums or regional messageboards, like now, then I have just reason to question it. We did nothing wrong.

Uh huh, yeah, sure. Real different IP addresses, real different e-mail addresses. Hell, they were even different in the things that it it's policy not to specify that we can see. Yup. They were all really different in every way except for name.

Oh, wait.

We are seriously not that stupid, SQ. Pull the other one.

So what if we were so lazy that we decided to share? You have no proof other than that that

On these comps, it takes far longer than a few seconds to log-out, so how we could post messages within seconds of each other, I don't know. I don't know what you are trying to pull with this, but its not going to work. We did nothing wrong and want our nations rightfully restored to us.

I've been told in TGs that you are supposed to send warnings before deletion. We never got a single one.

Honestly, if you had bothered to check the IPs, you would see that I use certain comps and my friends and family use others. So what if they are similar, we live in the same area code, same building.

I've been told in TGs that you are supposed to send warnings before deletion. We never got a single one.

You've been warned with previous nations and deleted as those nations. That was your warning.

Honestly, if you had bothered to check the IPs, you would see that I use certain comps and my friends and family use others. So what if they are similar, we live in the same area code, same building.

And share the same writing style, troll the same people, all have the same views on any given thing, and all share email addresses, along with various other things.

As said, pull the other one. Your family is either a functional gestalt mind, or you're lying.

1.) I'm not lying, that's a plain and simple fact.

2.) My sister was my only family with active nations in the UEO region, but she only posted as one, her own, Planet Zi.

3.) You still have yet to counter the proof of the fact the IPs are different.

4.) So what if we have a shared E-mail accounts. Its alot easier to use one account for all NS stuff than have to dig through so many for so many seperate people's nations and their puppets.

5.) You have yet to explain how we are able to have more than one of us logged in at the same time.

6.) The reason the posting styles are similar is because Jarvon, Velantia, Macronesian Alliance, SeaQuest DSV, and New SeaQuest were mine. Look back and you'll find those few of the others that posted were quite different.

7.) I was not warned, I was threatened. When SQ and SSQ were deleted, I was told to back off or have SQ2032 deleted. When SQ2032 was deleted, I was told to back off or have all my nations deleted. I backed off both times and have given you no reason for this mass deletion of mine, my friends, and my family's nations.

8.) I've never trolled and you full well know that. I'm the one who is baited, not the one doing the baiting.

9.) Now, I'm sorry if I'm being a little too blunt for your tastes, but you've left me with no other options and have backed me into a corner.

10.) Last I checked, there was no rule against RPing or people using puppets to carry on conversations.

So what if we were so lazy that we decided to share? You have no proof other than that that
Right. Captain Occam's going to have a word about that...

On these comps, it takes far longer than a few seconds to log-out,
Yup, I'm sure it takes a half hour each. What's it like cruising the Internet on a Commodore 64?

so how we could post messages within seconds of each other, I don't know.
I do. For one, it helps to not assume hyperbole to be reality.

I don't know what you are trying to pull with this, but its not going to work. We did nothing wrong and want our nations rightfully restored to us.
Not gonna happen, charlie. Again, wait for Captain Occam.

I've been told in TGs that you are supposed to send warnings before deletion. We never got a single one.
Calling bullshit on that one. You were warned (and deleted) as SeaQuest, warned as SeaQuest DSV, warned as SeaQuest 2032. Plenty of telegrams between 'em and plenty of Getting Help Requests too.

Honestly, if you had bothered to check the IPs,
Yup, we did.

you would see that I use certain comps and my friends and family use others. So what if they are similar, we live in the same area code, same building.
Ah yes, the exact same one. Alright, let's look at this scientifically.

Hypothesis one: One person with a lot of time on their hands--meaning one very small range of IP, one to, oh, let's say four e-mail addresses, a small range of web browsers, and a very small number of hashes--creates forty puppets and decides to put on a Punch and Judy show for everyone else.

Hypothesis two: Forty or so people who live in the same subnet or series of subnets--who follow each other constantly on a daily basis--create forty individual nations plus some puppets but make sure that they can log on to each other's puppets, all use the same small number of e-mails, and then proceed to post on the same threads, show the exact same interests, act the exact same ways, have the exact same diction, use the exact same Internet idiosyncracies, and so on and so forth.

Alright, then! Captain Occam, which one of these hypotheses readily explains our observations with the least number of assumptions?

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"Well, the first hypothesis is well within the realm of a single user--one assumption--makes the assumption of multiple-emails--so two--and assumes a reasonable internet lifestyle--so three. The second hypothesis assumes the same, but multiplied by forty users and added the additional hypothesis of extremely close coordination in all things. Three times forty plus one is one-hundred-twenty-one assumptions. I'd have to go with the first assumption, especially as the second gives me the visual image of an entire line of people waiting to use the computer like a bank at rush hour and that just makes me giggle."

We're not going to post your IP address on the forums because there are such things as privacy laws. You've ran all of our patiences dry. It's my sincere recommendation you drop the act but fast.

1.) I'm not lying, that's a plain and simple fact.

Empty assertion, not a fact. I am President of the United States, that's a plain and simple fact. Does saying that make me President?

3.) You still have yet to counter the proof of the fact the IPs are different.

You have still yet to provide any proof of that 'fact.' We don't have to counter something you have no evidence of whatsoever.

5.) You have yet to explain how we are able to have more than one of us logged in at the same time.

You have yet to demonstrate this has ever been the case.

7.) I was not warned, I was threatened. When SQ and SSQ were deleted, I was told to back off or have SQ2032 deleted.

You had previous warnings for your conduct on these forums. When those nations were deleted, you were informed the precise reason: namely, that they were both used to flame people in a discussion on, IIRC, mechs in FT.

The fact that you don't like that doesn't mean we haven't told you a thousand fucking times that it was the reason.

When SQ2032 was deleted, I was told to back off or have all my nations deleted. I backed off both times and have given you no reason for this mass deletion of mine, my friends, and my family's nations.

Aside from spamming your RMB and harassing the moderators over your previous deletion repeatedly after being told to drop it, you mean?

Actually, the correct answer is #3.

"A handful of friends get together, find out about NS as a good place to hang, and make a few nations. A region is founded for the friends to hang out in. Each starts making puppets until the region is filled. Puppet nations are then traded like collector cards. A single individual, the one with the best economy, is voted in to make sure that all nations don't get auto-deleted from inactivity and to make sure the issues are done so their economies get a boost. The region founder gets a few more friends he never met face-to-face before onto NS and invites their nations into the region. Region founder starts RPing with an occasional post by one of the others."

So you're saying they are all yours because you log in to all of them and therefore are responsible for them as per the rules on guest users (i.e. "they are you because we can't tell the difference?").

Good job. You've just won the hit new game show Prove Our Point For Us: Defenses That Are Completely Inane. Thank you, Mister Sockpuppeteer.

"A handful of friends get together, find out about NS as a good place to hang, and make a few nations. A region is founded for the friends to hang out in. Each starts making puppets until the region is filled. Puppet nations are then traded like collector cards. A single individual, the one with the best economy, is voted in to make sure that all nations don't get auto-deleted from inactivity and to make sure the issues are done so their economies get a boost. The region founder gets a few more friends he never met face-to-face before onto NS and invites their nations into the region. Region founder starts RPing with an occasional post by one of the others."

Yes, and that scenario would be turned down as the plot of a Billy Jack movie for being too contrived and unrealistic. And fails to explain why your 'group of friends' all think and write the same.

There are coincidences, and there are coincidences, and then there is ridiculous. We're in category three. Give it a rest.

Empty assertion, not a fact. I am President of the United States, that's a plain and simple fact. Does saying that make me President?

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean you have to pull this kind of move with banning and deleting my nations and those of my friends and family for nothing.

You have still yet to provide any proof of that 'fact.' We don't have to counter something you have no evidence of whatsoever.

Oh, and you expect me to be able to see IPs? Come on! You know I can't do that.

You have yet to demonstrate this has ever been the case.

Kind of hard to, seeing how you deleted the accounts. There were plenty of TGs prooving this. Also several posting on the regional messageboard at the same time. There's also the time I and a friend posted at the same time on NS.

You had previous warnings for your conduct on these forums. When those nations were deleted, you were informed the precise reason: namely, that they were both used to flame people in a discussion on, IIRC, mechs in FT.

SQ was deleted for that one post. None others. When I asked for proof, you only cited that one post and nothing else. Same thing with SQ2032

The fact that you don't like that doesn't mean we haven't told you a thousand fucking times that it was the reason.

One post with an account is not justifiable reason for an automatic deletion. Same thing with SQ2032, one post and its straight to deletion.

Aside from spamming your RMB and harassing the moderators over your previous deletion repeatedly after being told to drop it, you mean?

Like I said, I didn't. My nations have been and always been SQ, SSQ, SQDSV, SQ2032, Jarvon, Velantia, NSQ, and MA. None others.

Now, you continue to deny the proof of different IPs, different styles, and the obvious proof of multiple accounts logged in at the same time.

Come on man, give it up. Just go on and start over. Whats the use of a region full of puppets that no one uses and you were keeping alive anyway? Makes it seem like your the only one who cares.

Just start over and drop this before you end up permabanned. Then no one can have any fun.

Yes, and that scenario would be turned down as the plot of a Billy Jack movie for being too contrived and unrealistic. And fails to explain why your 'group of friends' all think and write the same.

Wrong. We don't write the same. Dragon Emperor uses seperate paragraphs, I use bold titles to seperate scenes, PZ never really got into it.

There are coincidences, and there are coincidences, and then there is ridiculous. We're in category three. Give it a rest.

And then there's this. Not a coincidence, but an unjustified deletion of the nations I had left and those of my friends and family.

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean you have to pull this kind of move with banning and deleting my nations and those of my friends and family for nothing.



Oh, and you expect me to be able to see IPs? Come on! You know I can't do that.



Kind of hard to, seeing how you deleted the accounts. There were plenty of TGs prooving this. Also several posting on the regional messageboard at the same time. There's also the time I and a friend posted at the same time on NS.



SQ was deleted for that one post. None others. When I asked for proof, you only cited that one post and nothing else. Same thing with SQ2032



One post with an account is not justifiable reason for an automatic deletion. Same thing with SQ2032, one post and its straight to deletion.



Like I said, I didn't. My nations have been and always been SQ, SSQ, SQDSV, SQ2032, Jarvon, Velantia, NSQ, and MA. None others.

Now, you continue to deny the proof of different IPs, different styles, and the obvious proof of multiple accounts logged in at the same time.

I think they're still sound in that you haven't displayed any obvious proof at all, except what you yourself claim.

Its your word against theirs.

Come on man, give it up. Just go on and start over. Whats the use of a region full of puppets that no one uses and you were keeping alive anyway? Makes it seem like your the only one who cares.

Just start over and drop this before you end up permabanned. Then no one can have any fun.

I will not let this unjustifed action stand! We did nothing wrong and did nothing to deserve this! The Mods have the IPs backing up what I am saying.

Chronosia has the right idea here. As it stands, you've convinced the entire moderation staff that you're a sockpuppeteer. You've convinced most third parties that you're a sockpuppeteer. Continuing to press the issue would be... ill-advised, especially given your history to dip past the line repeatedly (which is why we're here in the first place...)...

The IPs back up what we say. Do you think we would've acted contrary to our evidence?

I think they're still sound in that you haven't displayed any obvious proof at all, except what you yourself claim.

Its your word against theirs.

Oh, sure, ignore the word of the wronged in this matter. Our nations gave no reason for their deletion.

Wrong. We don't write the same. Dragon Emperor uses seperate paragraphs, I use bold titles to seperate scenes, PZ never really got into it.



And then there's this. Not a coincidence, but an unjustified deletion of the nations I had left and those of my friends and family.

You have yet to provide any proof whatsoever. Do you not understand what the moderators are asking you? They've asked you a simple question repeatedly, and you continue to use the "because I'm saying it, I'm right" speech. It isn't getting you anywhere currently, and is only damaging your reputation with them even more. I'd suggest backing off and accepting that you have no solid proof, and continuing on with nationstates while knowing what not to do in the future.

But hey, what do I know? :p

Oh, sure, ignore the word of the wronged in this matter. Our nations gave no reason for their deletion.

Its not ignoring your word. If you can, offer up proof past what you can merely say. Thats all you do, you insist and you allege. Prove something, prove their wrong, or submit to their ruling and get on with it. Thats all you can do.

Press on, and there will be no future and no hope and no one wants that, least of all you.

Chronosia has the right idea here. As it stands, you've convinced the entire moderation staff that you're a sockpuppeteer. You've convinced most third parties that you're a sockpuppeteer. Continuing to press the issue would be... ill-advised, especially given your history to dip past the line repeatedly (which is why we're here in the first place...)...

The IPs back up what we say. Do you think we would've acted contrary to our evidence?

Of course they don't! I know full well that the IPs differ. This is a cable connection hooked up to a set of old comps on a router. Thus I know that the individual IPs of each comp don't change.

You have yet to provide any proof whatsoever. Do you not understand what the moderators are asking you? They've asked you a simple question repeatedly, and you continue to use the "because I'm saying it, I'm right" speech. It isn't getting you anywhere currently, and is only damaging your reputation with them even more. I'd suggest backing off and accepting that you have no solid proof, and continuing on with nationstates while knowing what not to do in the future.

But hey, what do I know? :p

The Mods already have the proof, the IPs. How do you expect me to be able to see them with just a regular Member account?

Of course they don't! I know full well that the IPs differ. This is a cable connection hooked up to a set of old comps on a router. Thus I know that the individual IPs of each comp don't change.

So basically you are saying that you have SEVERAL computers in your house that you use to play puppet games...

You are only digging the hole deeper each time you answer. Please, for your own sake, give it up! If it means that much to you, get your friends to make new nations, and do it at their own houses...

Its not ignoring your word. If you can, offer up proof past what you can merely say. Thats all you do, you insist and you allege. Prove something, prove their wrong, or submit to their ruling and get on with it. Thats all you can do.

Press on, and there will be no future and no hope and no one wants that, least of all you.

What? You expect me to use the powers of my regular Member's account to conjure up the ability to view IPs of individual accounts?

The Mods have that power, not I. I would get the others to post, but they can't because, well, their nations were deleted for no justified reason, thus giving them no accounts to use.

Just because you don't like me doesn't mean you have to pull this kind of move with banning and deleting my nations and those of my friends and family for nothing.

That's good, because it isn't just because I don't like you. In fact, one might consider why I don't like you to find the actual problem here. Here's a hint: I don't like you because you keep breaking the rules.

Oh, and you expect me to be able to see IPs? Come on! You know I can't do that.

So how could you possibly claim you had different IPs, then?

Kind of hard to, seeing how you deleted the accounts.

So another claim with the evidence conveniantly gone so you can make it without referencing anything. Colour me surprised. Why did you make the claim to begin with if you had no means of backing it up?.

SQ was deleted for that one post. None others. When I asked for proof, you only cited that one post and nothing else. Same thing with SQ2032

There were numerous posts throughout that thread in which both nations were used for flaming. The combined offences were enough to kill both, since they were by the same player.

One post with an account is not justifiable reason for an automatic deletion. Same thing with SQ2032, one post and its straight to deletion.

With the later nations the offences of the earlier ones are taken into account. You have a reputation for flaming, and we will not be as lenient when we have already deleted you once. That's the way it's always been.

Now, you continue to deny the proof of different IPs

Hoisted by your own petard, there. If you claim you can't see the IPs, how in the world do you know they're different?

different styles

No proof of this at all.

and the obvious proof of multiple accounts logged in at the same time.

Which you just told us you can't demonstrate either. Right.

Enough of this, Seaquest. The Seaquest Street Theatre Act has gone on quite long enough, so here's how it's going to be.

You are going to shut up about your puppets, your previous puppets, your endless whining about imaginary conspiracies against you and everything else you are doing here. You are going to go away and follow the damn site rules. You are not going to flame people and then tell us it's their fault. You are not going to spam regional boards or tell us how to do our jobs. You are not going to keep claiming obvious puppets were members of your family.

Or you are not going to be welcome on this site anymore. Clear?

What? You expect me to use the powers of my regular Member's account to conjure up the ability to view IPs of individual accounts?

The Mods have that power, not I. I would get the others to post, but they can't because, well, their nations were deleted for no justified reason, thus giving them no accounts to use.

At this point, I honestly hope (but don't expect) for you to do whats sane, and to survive.

So basically you are saying that you have SEVERAL computers in your house that you use to play puppet games...

You are only digging the hole deeper each time you answer. Please, for your own sake, give it up! If it means that much to you, get your friends to make new nations, and do it at their own houses...

1.) We're in a college dorm.

2.) The router is in place so that each comp is hooked up to the one phone jack not being used so we can access the net.

3.) Our nations deserve restoration. The mere fact of the rapidity of the RMB posts is proof enough of the fact that multiple accounts were logged in at the same time.

Any continuation of the argument beyond this post is a Bad Thing (TM). Go outside, get some fresh air, read a book, or watch TV for more inspiration. There's plenty of other SF memes you haven't ripped off yet.

goodbye Seaquest http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-laugh.gif

Axis, that's not necessary and very much not appreciated.

That's good, because it isn't just because I don't like you. In fact, one might consider why I don't like you to find the actual problem here. Here's a hint: I don't like you because you keep breaking the rules.

Oh, sure, hold two posts against me.

So how could you possibly claim you had different IPs, then?

Each comp has its own unique IP. That's basic comp fact. The router is what makes them dynamic.

So another claim with the evidence conveniantly gone so you can make it without referencing anything. Colour me surprised. Why did you make the claim to begin with if you had no means of backing it up?.

Then check the IPs. You'll see there were quite a few used for the various UEO nations.

There were numerous posts throughout that thread in which both nations were used for flaming. The combined offences were enough to kill both, since they were by the same player.

As I recall, SSQ was used to post only once in that thread in a non-flaming post. I was told it was deleted in regards to something about a temp ban on an account I was able to continue posting with later that night.

With the later nations the offences of the earlier ones are taken into account. You have a reputation for flaming, and we will not be as lenient when we have already deleted you once. That's the way it's always been.

Sure, two posts. That's all. I reported the flamebaiting that led to the first, and you did nothing.

Hoisted by your own petard, there. If you claim you can't see the IPs, how in the world do you know they're different?

Because I know enough about computers to know different ones carry different IPs.

No proof of this at all.

Yep, there is. Shall we dig up the various posts?

Which you just told us you can't demonstrate either. Right.

And you're going to deny the existance of proof you already have, right.

Enough of this, Seaquest. The Seaquest Street Theatre Act has gone on quite long enough, so here's how it's going to be.

You are going to shut up about your puppets, your previous puppets, your endless whining about imaginary conspiracies against you and everything else you are doing here. You are going to go away and follow the damn site rules. You are not going to flame people and then tell us it's their fault. You are not going to spam regional boards or tell us how to do our jobs. You are not going to keep claiming obvious puppets were members of your family.

Or you are not going to be welcome on this site anymore. Clear?

Oh sure, another threat, how typical. Deny the proof and threaten the guy with no power in doing what you want.

Fine, I'll zip it on my nations, but that still doesn't mean you are in the clear. My friends and family still have had their nations deleted for your petty reason.

Any continuation of the argument beyond this post is a Bad Thing (TM). Go outside, get some fresh air, read a book, or watch TV for more inspiration. There's plenty of other SF memes you haven't ripped off yet.

Seriously, its midnight right now.

And the last time, SQ was fully original. Sure, there may have been a few things based on some canon stuff, but I worked up everything on my own in my head.

Why is it every time something happens, I'm always the one in the wrong? Why is it that I'm always the one who gets blamed for things?

Fine, you can keep your little unjustified deletions. I don't care anymore, its not like I can do anything about it! However, I will retain the knowledge of what happened here.

EDIT: Oh, and I didn't even know your post I quoted was there until after I had posted my last one above.

Oh, sure, hold two posts against me.

It wasn't two posts. I said that.

Each comp has its own unique IP. That's basic comp fact. The router is what makes them dynamic.

No, dial-up is what makes an IP dynamic. A router will actually often make it static. Please stop talking about technology you don't understand outside scifi discussions, it works even less well out here.

Then check the IPs. You'll see there were quite a few used for the various UEO nations.

No, they weren't. We've said that, too. All the deleted nations share common IP addresses.

Sure, two posts. That's all. I reported the flamebaiting that led to the first, and you did nothing.

That would be because it wasn't actionable. You were told that and told to give it a rest. You have failed in both regards.

Because I know enough about computers to know different ones carry different IPs.

You apparently don't know enough about computers at all, then.

Yep, there is. Shall we dig up the various posts?

'We?' You're the one contesting a ruling here, sparky. But let's not. Let's agree with the ruling of the game moderators and walk away.

And you're going to deny the existance of proof you already have, right.

Because it doesn't exist. Denying the existence of something that doesn't exist is fairly normal.

Oh sure, another threat, how typical. Deny the proof and threaten the guy with no power in doing what you want.

There is no proof. You are simply flailing around and making wild accusations you can't back up with any evidence of any description.

Seaquest, let me make this clear one final time: if your next post to this thread is anything other than your complete agreement that you will drop this matter entirely, you will be perminantly banned from this site. For a time I considered sparing your wretched little planet Cybertron, but carry on and you will witness its dismemberment. Clear?

Actually, its more likely that he meant everyone.

Oh, and 'Cybertron', you've lost me.

I suggest you stop arguing Seaquest, your just digging yourself a deeper hole.

Actually, its more likely that he meant everyone.

Oh, and 'Cybertron', you've lost me.

Please, for the love of God just agree and have done. You profit nothing from getting IP/Permabanned and thus denying yourself NS. Relent, restart, reform...Just don't push this, I'm begging you.

I suggest you stop arguing Seaquest, your just digging yourself a deeper hole.

I already said I give up. Its not like I have the power to fight this.

Please, for the love of God just agree and have done. You profit nothing from getting IP/Permabanned and thus denying yourself NS. Relent, restart, reform...Just don't push this, I'm begging you.

How many times do I have to say I give up!? And no, I'm not restarting, I'm continuing to RP as myself.

Actually, its more likely that he meant everyone.

Oh, and 'Cybertron', you've lost me.

Seaquest, you saw the part about what your next post should be, correct? Are you still going to act surprised and outraged that you're now permabanned from the entire site, in spite of being told, specifically, that if you posted anything but complete agreement to the ruling given that would be precisely what happened?

Seaquest, you saw the part about what your next post should be, correct? Are you still going to act surprised and outraged that you're now permabanned from the entire site, in spite of being told, specifically, that if you posted anything but complete agreement to the ruling given that would be precisely what happened?

I said it already before you made that post: I give up.

I already said I give up. Its not like I have the power to fight this.

No, you didn't. You have gone on with the "poor me" testimonial for the last 45 minutes while Mei, and Scolo have provided evidence of your offenses, whilist you continue to preach that you did absolutley no wrong and go even so far as to use mod bias as a reason for the loss of your puppets.

No, you didn't. You have gone on with the "poor me" testimonial for the last 45 minutes while Mei, and Scolo have provided evidence of your offenses, whilist you continue to preach that you did absolutley no wrong and go even so far as to use mod bias as a reason for the loss of your puppets.

At the very end he did say that he'd given up though....I think he ought to have a chance, since he did say it. And there was Scolo saying to end and GMC pressuring for an answer....Come on guys, he'd said it already!

Show's over, folks.