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I would like to report an attempted region jacking currently in progress. The nations of Muterialis, Caldan, Censorship 2, and Dodgers123 need to be kicked and banned so I can restore order and the proper UN delegate can regain his position.

They even admit to what they are doing in the edit they have done to the United Earth Oceans region's World Factbook Entry:

Welcome to the UEO! This region is now under the control of the Blades of Conquest! Democracy, huh? Now it's a military dictatorship. :)

Kudos to Jarron, the general in charge of this raid. Unfortunately, due to technical difficulties, I'll be taking over for the time being.

This raid brought to you by BoC, the GREATEST raiders in NS (that's right DEN, I went there; we're just that damn awesome) :P

-Marthior

Links:
Jacking Nations:
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=caldan
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=dodgers123
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=censorship_2
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=muterialis
Region Being Jacked:
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_region

I don't believe that this is illegal anymore.


Invasion Rules
The concept of Invasion Griefing was made obsolete by the introduction of Regional Influence (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/influence.html). Other rules, such as those governing spam or the use of UN Multis, naturally remain in force.

Shaz, put yourself in our shoes. What if it was a region you had created your very first day as a nation and was only for you and a your friends and suddenly you find yourself lacking control?

Hello, I am with SQ in the region. I was voted as Delegate and was the last delegate before the nations came in and jacked our region.

My link, http://www.nationstates.net/spartan_alliance

Even though I have higher regional influence and 1 Endorsement from an ally nation, we can't remove him. The regional influence isn't really helping me except when I have regional control.

Please, we need help. We enjoy rping in NS and don't wish to be banned from our own region we created.

Sparta

Shaz, put yourself in our shoes. What if it was a region you had created your very first day as a nation and was only for you and a your friends and suddenly you find yourself lacking control?

Yes, BUT the Founder of the region will still have his/her controls even AFTER he's kicked out. So the founder can eject people if he/she wants.

Yes, BUT the Founder of the region will still have his/her controls even AFTER he's kicked out. So the founder can eject people if he/she wants.

Not if the account I used isn't in existance anymore.

Not if the account I used isn't in existance anymore.

Well according to the rules, Mods won't intervene in this type of stuff anymore. Find a defender region and try to retake yours.

Well according to the rules, Mods won't intervene in this type of stuff anymore. Find a defender region and try to retake yours.

!.) I don't see why the Mods shouldn't get involved. Just because this whole influence stuff is in play doesn't make region jacking legal out of the blue.

2.) If you mean invite friendly UN members into our region, I'll see what I can do.

!.) I don't see why the Mods shouldn't get involved. Just because this whole influence stuff is in play doesn't make region jacking legal out of the blue.

And i will requote the section from the OSRS about Regional Greifing....

Invasion Rules
The concept of Invasion Griefing was made obsolete by the introduction of Regional Influence (http://www.nationstates.net/pages/influence.html). Other rules, such as those governing spam or the use of UN Multis, naturally remain in force.

And i will requote the section from the OSRS about Regional Greifing....

IIRC, region greifing =/= region jacking.

!.) I don't see why the Mods shouldn't get involved. Just because this whole influence stuff is in play doesn't make region jacking legal out of the blue.Unless they are using UN multis, this is legal.

However, I will point out that when Founder nations are restored, they still have their powers...

I would like to report an attempted region jacking currently in progress. The nations of Muterialis, Caldan, Censorship 2, and Dodgers123 need to be kicked and banned so I can restore order and the proper UN delegate can regain his position.

They even admit to what they are doing in the edit they have done to the United Earth Oceans region's World Factbook Entry:



Links:
Jacking Nations:
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=caldan
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=dodgers123
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=censorship_2
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_nation/nation=muterialis
Region Being Jacked:
http://www.nationstates.net/89472/page=display_region


That great autonomous Region had'nt been jacked. :upyours:

Unless they are using UN multis, this is legal.

However, I will point out that when Founder nations are restored, they still have their powers...

The loss of that account wasn't do to inactivity but Moderator action (over something I told the Moderators I wouldn't get into on the forums in exchange for being able to post with this account).

That great autonomous Region had'nt been jacked. :upyours:

Huh? That's the link it gave me to my region.

Here's another one gotten in a different way.

http://www.nationstates.net/02595/page=display_region/region=united_earth_oceans

Ah yes.

Well, the invader seems to have a whopping 2 endos. Seems getting some current residents to enter the UN and re-endorse shouldn't be much of a Herculean task. Also, the influence is helping you. As long as you have more influence than he does, he can't eject you.

Ah yes.

Well, the invader seems to have a whopping 2 endos. Seems getting some current residents to enter the UN and re-endorse shouldn't be much of a Herculean task. Also, the influence is helping you. As long as you have more influence than he does, he can't eject you.

Alot of them belong to the same person as puppets. Though, Spartan Alliance and I are taking Spaz's suggestion of getting friendly UN members to help.

As for the invader, those endorsements are from his fellow region jackers.

As for the invader, those endorsements are from his fellow region jackers.Yes, rather obviously. It would be difficult to be a successful invader if you operated alone.

Yes, rather obviously. It would be difficult to be a successful invader if you operated alone.

Still, as a region, the UEO wasn't prepared for a BS move like this. UEO members are here to RP and not to have to worry if their region status is safe from jackers.

Listen boyo, I don't get what makes you more deserving of special treatment than anyone else on this game, but hey - it's already been explained how this works and why and what you can do about it.

If you don't protect your region, it's your own fault, and not the Mod's responsibility. If your founder died off/was deated, you had the option previously to leave, and refound it on a reset to install a new founder nation for it, and lock it up tight.

Of course you could have not gotten your other nation deleted to begin with, but that's neither here nor there.

Like it or not, regional politics, whether you participate actively or not, are a part of the game. If you don't want people coming in and messing with you, make sure you have an active founder, lock it up, and do not allow reps to have regional controls. Those more familiar - if those steps have changed, please feel free to correct me - said steps have always kept me and mine from having to deal with undesireables, and I've been around for a while now.

Well according to the rules, Mods won't intervene in this type of stuff anymore. Find a defender region and try to retake yours.

Some defenders at least only defend regions against being overthrown. After one has been taken over they wont send defenders to overthrow the new government. I cant remember what they call the ones who do counter revolution work, but there is a list of them somewhere on the NS forums.

Listen boyo, I don't get what makes you more deserving of special treatment than anyone else on this game, but hey - it's already been explained how this works and why and what you can do about it.

If you don't protect your region, it's your own fault, and not the Mod's responsibility. If your founder died off/was deated, you had the option previously to leave, and refound it on a reset to install a new founder nation for it, and lock it up tight.

Of course you could have not gotten your other nation deleted to begin with, but that's neither here nor there.

Like it or not, regional politics, whether you participate actively or not, are a part of the game. If you don't want people coming in and messing with you, make sure you have an active founder, lock it up, and do not allow reps to have regional controls. Those more familiar - if those steps have changed, please feel free to correct me - said steps have always kept me and mine from having to deal with undesireables, and I've been around for a while now.

We are not asking for special treatment. We just wanted help or tips on what to do. Thank you to those who have given tips on fixing the situation.

We are not asking for special treatment. We just wanted help or tips on what to do. Thank you to those who have given tips on fixing the situation.

Thanks, couldn't have put it better myself.

Well you could ask for a temporary rivival of the founder nation then eject the invaders and password protect your region.

They could, but it would be denied. That would be special treatment.

Well I geuss he just has to get help. I can't do it since I have 0 nations in the UN(and no intent to change that).

If you do get help though, password protect it. It's possible to invade a password protected region but they probably won't, and if they do they probably hacked their way in, which is definitely against the rules.

Solution:
Create your region again with a 2 at the end of the name. Do not give the UN Delegate access to regional control. If you're in an RP region (like I am) you keep UN controls off. Some of my friends learned that lesson the hard way.

SQ asked me to take a look at this. I have but this to say:

Region-hijacking happens, and is in fact a legitimate part of the game. You should do what I did - don't give UN Delegates regional control access, and password-protect the place with something only you now know.

Thank you for the tips guys. It is greatly appreciated.

I got a link to this from SQ as well. I'm afraid I'm going to be as helpful to this as a bottle of water to a drowning man, or woman.

I don't participate in regional invasions, having my region locked, and no un delegate access. I am the only one who controls my region, that's that.

Though, I will add, that if SQ and his friends so wish, they may feel free to come to my region and simply stay there, I don't care. I will temporarily disable the password to allow them in, but only if they wish it.

SQ, I have contacted my fellow Browncoats, and they might be coming to your aid. I have asked them to support Spartan alliance. Also, If you could please send help to my home system, We are getting crushed and could use some assistance.

Link is in the sig

@SE: Thanks for your help. This is a first of this for the UEO region and myself, so any help and suggestions you can proved would be appreciated.
@Ri-an: Your support is appreciated. Your proposal will be taken into consideration.
@TAP: Thank-you for your support and help. TG me or SA in regards to the password so you can get in. As for your request, I'll take a look and TG you either way.
@Quaon: Your suggestion will be taken under advisement. Hopefully it won't come to that as we've been building up our region's influence since before the update that added it.

Heres a mad idea...

Get the people in your region in the UN so they can then consolidate your hold on the region, instead of simply threatening the invaders with "banishing spells" and a whine to the Mods.

Be proactive and take this as an lesson on how to best prepare your region.

I think SQ said that a bunch of the nations in his region are puppets. I think his best choice is to either refound his region, or create a new region and get his friends to move to it. With an active founder, he could cut off Delegate access, making it unprofitable to invade since a delegate wouldn't have any power in the region.

I think SQ said that a bunch of the nations in his region are puppets. I think his best choice is to either refound his region, or create a new region and get his friends to move to it. With an active founder, he could cut off Delegate access, making it unprofitable to invade since a delegate wouldn't have any power in the region.

Correct on the puppet thing. And, I'm sure is well known, the rules against UN mutli-ing prevent having more than one nation in the UN.

Shaz, put yourself in our shoes. What if it was a region you had created your very first day as a nation and was only for you and a your friends and suddenly you find yourself lacking control?

Ever hear of passwords?

I saw that SeaQuest 2032 has been banned, and was wondering why? As far as I know he hasn't comitted any crimes on NS and I could really use his help in fighting off some people invading me. He copied the banning notice, and saw that it had no reason given.

As such, I was wondering if it would be possible for you to remove the ban and revive his nation. I could really use his help.

I saw that SeaQuest 2032 has been banned, and was wondering why? As far as I know he hasn't comitted any crimes on NS and I could really use his help in fighting off some people invading me. He copied the banning notice, and saw that it had no reason given.

As such, I was wondering if it would be possible for you to remove the ban and revive his nation. I could really use his help.

I too are asking the top part of what The American Privateer said.
why have you ban him?
I now ask you to let him came back please.

Posting things like "No, you aren't raiders. You guys are good-for-nothing, low-life scum that give scum a bad name. NS isn't something you should be treating like what you ass-mites whipe your asses with," isn't the smartest course of action, nor is it acceptable.

Flaming is bad, people.

Ah well, can't argue with that. Shame though, I was in the middle of an RP. Meh. Ah well.

Posting things like "No, you aren't raiders. You guys are good-for-nothing, low-life scum that give scum a bad name. NS isn't something you should be treating like what you ass-mites whipe your asses with," isn't the smartest course of action, nor is it acceptable.

Flaming is bad, people.

TBH, its only a trivial offense. Only a second slip of the tounge in my time here. However, I was only saying what everyone's thinking.

Still, it doesn't excuse what can only be described as the special treatment the region jackers are getting excusing their flamebaiting of myself, Spartan Alliance, Warshrike, GBI, and every other true UEO region member.

I am not trying to get myself banned by saying this...

Was that Comment acctually posted,not PMed to a mod by one of the Jackers?

It could simply have been an alaborate smear by the Jackers to remove the region founder and make their life easier.

I am not trying to get myself banned by saying this...

Was that Comment acctually posted,not PMed to a mod by one of the Jackers?

It could simply have been an alaborate smear by the Jackers to remove the region founder and make their life easier.
However that comment was reported, it is guaranteed it was posted by Seaquest, otherwise it wouldn't have been acted upon.

TBH, its only a trivial offense. Only a second slip of the tounge in my time here. However, I was only saying what everyone's thinking.

Still, it doesn't excuse what can only be described as the special treatment the region jackers are getting excusing their flamebaiting of myself, Spartan Alliance, Warshrike, GBI, and every other true UEO region member.


If they were flamebaiting, you probably should have reported that to the mods, instead of reacting to it. I know it's hard to keep your temper in the heat of "battle", but blowing your top and getting deated for it only helps the "enemy".

I am not trying to get myself banned by saying this...

Was that Comment acctually posted,not PMed to a mod by one of the Jackers?

It could simply have been an alaborate smear by the Jackers to remove the region founder and make their life easier.


Seaquest actually sent it.

TBH, its only a trivial offense. Only a second slip of the tounge in my time here.

TBH, it's part of a pattern that got one of your previous nations deleted.

Seaquest actually sent it.

Was it SeaQuest 2032 or SeaQuest DSV?

From what SeaQuest 2032 said before he was banned, DSV is actually someone else. So it is possible that someone else used a simillar name to TG a complaint.

So it is possible that someone else used a simillar name to TG a complaint.
The difference between players in this thread and mods in this thread is that mods have the tools to actually KNOW what is going on.

You may not like the way we enforce the rules, but you might just take a tiny grain of faith that we actually know what we're doing, and how to do our jobs.

TBH, it's part of a pattern that got one of your previous nations deleted.

First, nice avatar.

Second, I was told SSQ was deleted for 'supposedly' being used to post in order to by-pass a temp ban on my old SQ account (something I never learned about until after both were deleted).

Now, I'm not denying I said it. But still, the language used was trivial. I had used no words that anyone I know would have considered as foul (Chrono has TGed me saying otherwise, though).

@TAP: Its -SeaQuest DSV- and New SeaQuest 2032 that aren't me. This account, SeaQuest DSV (without the '-' on the ends) was part of my original trio of SQDSV, SQ, and SQ2032 that were my first three nations.

@Romanar: Last time I reported someone flamebaiting, I was told to grow thicker skin and get over it. I don't know if the report thread is still around, but I could see about digging it up if you want.

But still, the language used was trivial. I had used no words that anyone I know would have considered as foulUtterly irrelevent, isn't it?

"You are a worthless piece of dirt that simply wastes oxygen by your continued existence. You should be run over by a truck that backs up and rolls over you again several times."

None of those words are foul. Few of them are even especially negative; however, it is undeniable that saying such a thing would be completely out of line, and would most certainly be flaming. Indeed, one might say it was far worse than classic 'foul' flaming ("Fuck you, asshole").

And, moving this back to Moderation...

FREE BEER!

Now that I have your attention...

Alright, let's get one thing clear: SQ2032 got banned/deleted by the mods for the reason they gave. I've not actually seen this post, but then again I haven't read the whole thread. However, whatever the circumstances, we have to roll with it, and move on.

Seaquest DSV is now 'real' Seaquest, as it were... god this is confusing. Hey SQ, do you mind not getting yourself banned again? It's getting confusing for all concerned :p Nah, I'm kidding.

EDIT: Of course, there is the possibility that someone established a nation under Seaquest's name, and then used it to TG the mods this supposed post, which, by the way, I cannot find anywhere in this thread. And there's no delete marking as there normally is if such a post was deleted by the mods. However, we as players cannot prove this, and the mods are under no jurisdiction to provide us with concrete evidence of such an offence, which is unfortunate, but it is the rules. We should follow what they've said, and leave it at that.

Thank you for listening.

Utterly irrelevent, isn't it?

"You are a worthless piece of dirt that simply wastes oxygen by your continued existence. You should be run over by a truck that backs up and rolls over you again several times."

None of those words are foul. Few of them are even especially negative; however, it is undeniable that saying such a thing would be completely out of line, and would most certainly be flaming. Indeed, one might say it was far worse than classic 'foul' flaming ("Fuck you, asshole").

And, moving this back to Moderation...

Like I said in the other thread, the rules thread has far to much room for interpretation, IMHO. Its no longer specific and to the point as, IIRC, it once was.

As for your examples, creative. But, still, only two occurances of me doing anything of the sort that could be considered flaming, is all I can see. The first one lost me my SQ account and the second lost me SQ2032 (I was told SSQ was deleted on a different matter (but I still have my questions and reservations about it)).

You already raised your "reservations" about SSQ above (I thought you weren't meant to do that). As for HT's flamebaiting, it wasn't. You see people with countless stupid things that people have said in their sigs, all the time. Its not flamebaiting, its just illustrating a point of "look how stupid that was!". As I recall, it referenced the quote itself as retarded, not actually you.

Also, its not your place to question the rules or their interpretation, thats why we have Mods and not vigilantees. Flaming is malicious posting, with or without the swearing, as has been stated. Basically I'd take SE's advice and just get on with it.

Like I said in the other thread, the rules thread has far to much room for interpretation, IMHO. Its no longer specific and to the point as, IIRC, it once was.You mean when there was no rules thread and nothing but a smattering of guidelines on a forum that regular users can't see?

You have a strange definition of "specific".

The first one lost me my SQ account and the second lost me SQ2032Yup. I fail to see why this is still being debated. Furthermore, my example was simply to demonstrate that not using "foul language" was a miserably inefficient measuring stick.

As I said in another thread SQ, Seaquest, I feel for your situation, really, I do.

But for the love of all things good and holy, Please, just drop it before the Mods DOS you out of shear irritation.

Some things just have to go unanswered.

As I said in another thread SQ, Seaquest, I feel for your situation, really, I do.

But for the love of all things good and holy, Please, just drop it before the Mods DOS you out of shear irritation.

Some things just have to go unanswered.

:confused: You have a funny idea of "unanswered".

:confused: You have a funny idea of "unanswered".

I have many funny ideas, only 1% of which, come anywhere close to reality.

Anyways, the point was, that this topic of discussion has been answered quite thoroughly many diffrent ways by many diffrent peoples, and yet still the thread has gotten this far.

:confused: You have a funny idea of "unanswered".

I think Ri-An meant something more along the lines of "Ya gotta learn to just let some things go"

:confused: You have a funny idea of "unanswered".

I wasn't refering to the things that got my SeaQuest and SeaQuest 2032 accounts deleted. Now, I'm not going into much detail as I'm trying to avoid getting into it like I said I would, but I've gotten two different reasons as to why Shadow SeaQuest was deleted.

@Ri-an: DOS? Sorry, but I'm not fully fluent in net lingo. As for your suggestion, I'll try to keep my cool.

@Godular: I do, and I have. I'm not complaining about the loss of SQ or SQ2032, but it still doesn't mean I have to agree with it.

@The Most Glorious Hack: TBH, I don't have a clue what you are talking about. IIRC, I joined in late '05 and I recall a much larger thing of Rules. There's the parts that's basically stating the stuff about stuff that could land a poster with some legal action (like posting of illegal links) and most of the detail can be found there.

@Chronosia: That flamebait sig was only part of the final straw that caused me to report that incident. The Mods (GMCA in particular) did nothing about it except tell me to get over it and grow a thicker skin and the next thing I know, SQ and SSQ are banned and deleted (just using them to give a time-line).

@Ri-an: DOS? Sorry, but I'm not fully fluent in net lingo. As for your suggestion, I'll try to keep my cool.


DoS = Delete on Sight. Its one of the things the mods do, and I forget all of the conditions surrounding its use, but I do remember its for those that have completly worn out their welcome on NS, thereby causing mods/admins to delete every account by that same user past present and future. Now, I'm not saying you fit the bill, but continually bothering the mods doesn't help your case any.

Mods, I'm sorry If I got any part of the DoS wrong.

TBH, IMHO, this thread is just going around in circles and we aren't going anywhere fast.

TBH, IMHO, this thread is just going around in circles and we aren't going anywhere fast.

Which is a good cue to drop it, I suppose.