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I guess this counts as a flame since TG calls unintelligent to people calling for immidiate action on Global Warming or scientists who thinks temperatures will rise or me since I agree with them or pretty much anyone who thinks Global Warming is a problem based on current projections...

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11526558&postcount=64

Your response isn't exactly all that nice either. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11526591&postcount=65)

Your response isn't exactly all that nice either. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11526591&postcount=65)

? It's nowhere near calling someone unintelligent. I suggested him to look to dictionary and accused him of giving a simplistic answer himself...So?

How on earth do you survive out in the real world if things like this wind you up so much?

And, as Laerod says, I believe this is a case of 'let he who is without sin...'

Perhaps developing a thicker skin might be advisable?

... You have got to be kidding me. You know, I don't even have words for this one *gasp of mock shock* so ... yeah. What the others said. SO not 'zomg flame'.

I'm sorry. He didn't call anyone by names, so technically it isn't a flame.

Nordligmark (aka Ny Nordland), i would have to agree with Skinny87 on this. You need to grow a thicker skin for once.

Well, I also can advise you 4 to be less "complementing" towards authority or grow a tougher skin against my "thinner skin" (why do you care about my mod posts if you are so tough skinned?). Atlantian Islands was banned for 2 days for calling TG an asshole. And I was banned for 1 week recently for calling islamic culture inferior. So I just think everyone should be held to same standarts, aka "thin skin" standarts...
Questioning people who believe in the seriousness of Global Warming by calling them unintelligent is as much trolling/flaming as me calling Islamic culture inferior, I think...

I just read over TG's post again. And he never directly pointed a flame at anyone. All he said is that Intelligent People know what is going on with global warming. He never said "OH, and you are an idiot." to anyone. So why get yourself strung up over something that doesn't even qualify as breaking the rules?

Well, I also can advise you 4 to be less "complementing" towards authority or grow a tougher skin against my "thinner skin" (why do you care about my mod posts if you are so tough skinned?). Atlantian Islands was banned for 2 days for calling TG an asshole. And I was banned for 1 week recently for calling islamic culture inferior. So I just think everyone should be held to same standarts, aka "thin skin" standarts...
Questioning people who believe in the seriousness of Global Warming by calling them unintelligent is as much trolling/flaming as me calling Islamic culture inferior, I think...

If you can't grasp the difference in calling someone an asshole, and having racial biggotry from having an opinion that intelligent people put more thought into their opinions, no one can help you. I couldn't care less about 'authority' or your veiled insinuations. I do however find it amusing when a proven racist, and someone who is repeatedly in trouble for some rather inflammatory commentary gets all bent out of shape by someone else suggesting that knee-jerk reactions might not be all that brilliant.

If you can't grasp the difference in calling someone an asshole, and having racial biggotry from having an opinion that intelligent people put more thought into their opinions, no one can help you. I couldn't care less about 'authority' or your veiled insinuations. I do however find it amusing when a proven racist, and someone who is repeatedly in trouble for some rather inflammatory commentary gets all bent out of shape by someone else suggesting that knee-jerk reactions might not be all that brilliant.

All arbitrary definitions, based on the subjective whim of the moderator.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and acts like a duck, a moderator could call it a moose, and it would be a moose.

The mods make the rules. We are told to follow them or leave. This isn't a free speech zone. Some people seem to like to deride others for their feelings because, from their 'logical' point of view, "no rational thinking human being (intelligent or not) would ever consider seeing the world solely from my point of view".

The sad fact is, whatever the mods say, we have to do.

The sad fact is, whatever the mods say, we have to do.

Not true. I've seen mods tell eachother to calm down or else they will get a warning before. What TG said here doesn't seem like flaming at all. He didn't direct the comment to anyone at all. So i don't know why Ny Nordland is getting his boxers all up in a bind. I mean holy *insert word*, get a grip already.


And anyways, MAX approves of the rules seeing as it is his game.

All arbitrary definitions, based on the subjective whim of the moderator.

If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck, smells like a duck, and acts like a duck, a moderator could call it a moose, and it would be a moose.

The mods make the rules. We are told to follow them or leave. This isn't a free speech zone. Some people seem to like to deride others for their feelings because, from their 'logical' point of view, "no rational thinking human being (intelligent or not) would ever consider seeing the world solely from my point of view".

The sad fact is, whatever the mods say, we have to do.

Listen boyo, you've had your whine in full in your own thread. Agenda and soapbox elsewhere, and perhaps, take the time to actually get to know the site and how things work and read the rules and such before you continue to claim mod bias, in whatever veiled terms you wish to continue using.

It isn't all arbitrary. The site owner has set down rules, and more rules have been agreed on by him an the moderation staff as the site has developed. Certain judgements have to by nature be left to a case-by-case basis, and handled as best they can be with the information at hand. It still doesn't constitute 'whim'. You really need to do your homework before again plowing into 'we are powerless against the tyranny of the mods' territory.

There's always avenues to pursue if you feel a judgement has been made in error. There are a number of such decisions that have indeed upon review been reversed, and the appropriate apologies made by the moderation staff.

This isn't about 'feelings'. It's about whether or not any actual rules have been broken. I'm not an authority here, but after having spent several years hanging around, watching how things get handled and the like, I do usually have a pretty good grasp of what's likely silly, and what's likely actionable. I say 'likely' because unlike the moderators, I don't have all the tools at my disposal, all the history that's been tracked, nor the authority to make any judgements - just state opinions. Just like anyone can do here, including yourself (which by the powers, you have done, at breathless length, repeatedly, monotonously).

This isn't a gulag. The mods aren't prison wardens, and yes, they are players just like the rest of us, and unpaid and uncompensated for their volunteer work on the site. If you have an issue, bring it to the table, succinctly, with clarity, and sans flowery bs. If you really think the place is so horrible - take it elsewhere. The internet is a big, big place, no need to 'feel' so unfairly compromised. ;)

The sad fact is, whatever the mods say, we have to do.

Not true. I've seen mods tell eachother to calm down or else they will get a warning before. What TG said here doesn't seem like flaming at all. He didn't direct the comment to anyone at all. So i don't know why Ny Nordland is getting his boxers all up in a bind. I mean holy *insert word*, get a grip already.


And anyways, MAX approves of the rules seeing as it is his game.


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It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?

Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.
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Well...technically you are right. Perhaps this is what I had more in mind. The fact is that the poster cannot just say/do anything. If a mod, acting in the name of the All Powerful MAX, tells someone to go stick it up a tree, there is no recourse. They've put together their own ethics...I think it's a five mod review and then a higher tier, but, even then, there is no "innocent until proven guilty"/"due process"/"Bill o' Rights" kind of thing.

I've gotten a lot of disrespectful remarks from the mods and others and told to shut up and swallow it (my interpretation, not theirs...). Many of them are about as polite as a toothpick, but, in the end, if Nordligmark claims one thing, the only ones who can make a ruling - short of Almighty MAX - are the mods. The mods and other players can tell him to shut up and grow a thicker skin, and then 'prove' using their standards what a 'racist' is. They have their definitions of such things, and use those definitions to determine what is offensive and what is not.

Is it a flame? Is it just debate? They don't care about feelings being hurt. They just enforce the rules as they see fit. The 'niceness' of the responses (as in post #2) is up to the definitions in the minds of the mods. You can't just go to the dictionary, look up 'intelligent' and say that is offensive or not. The mods use what they call 'common sense' to make their judgments. And some posters like to jump in with their own biting remarks, call names, and tell people to grow a thicker skin because their definition fits the mod definition. Those people will statistically escape a warning more times that not.

Of course, I can't prove that, but it's something to ponder.

I'm not an authority here

Fine. Then I do not have to do what you say. Besides, you are getting off topic. You've threatened me before, but there's nothing I can do about that either...let's just agree to disagree. Now...

I am raising Nordligmark to the possible awareness that his greivence may or may not be addressed. You have wondered, Nordligmark:

Well, I also can advise you 4 to be less "complementing" towards authority or grow a tougher skin against my "thinner skin"...

You compared two issues: Global Warming and Islamic culture. Certain cultures will get addressed. Others will not. The issue on Global Warming, which is not anywhere addressed in the rules by Max or any other person, needs someone to judge if it is worth ruling on or not. Since no 'law' or 'rule' exists, the judge needs to make their own mind up as to how relevant a topic is.

It appears that insulting the Islamic cultures is worth, in the mind of whatever mod/mods made that decision, a punishment. It also seems to appear, although I have not seen someone other than DLN give an [un]official ruling, that your issue may be deemed not worth mod time.

So, if that helps you understand some, Nordligmark, I am glad to give you some polite insight...flawed as it may or may not be. If you'd like more detail, you are free to ask. I'm sure you'll get a kinder response sooner or later.

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It's free speech, so I can post whatever I like here, right?

Ahahahaha! Hahaha! Free speech! No, it's not. I run this web site, see, so you have to play by my rules. It's like my own Father Knows Best state.
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Well...technically you are right. Perhaps this is what I had more in mind. The fact is that the poster cannot just say/do anything. If a mod, acting in the name of the All Powerful MAX, tells someone to go stick it up a tree, there is no recourse. They've put together their own ethics...I think it's a five mod review and then a higher tier, but, even then, there is no "innocent until proven guilty"/"due process"/"Bill o' Rights" kind of thing.What do you mean? If a mod makes a ruling, there is the possibility of a recourse. The fact that that recourse wasn't in your favor doesn't negate it happening. You even admit that there was a five mod review. Heck, you even got an admin response supporting the original ruling.

If you have really only been around since February, I can understand that you haven't seen moderator rulings revoked. It doesn't happen often, but not because of a mod conspiracy, more likely because they usually stick to the rules they have.

And why do you claim there is no "innocent until proven guilty" policy? You accused FEC of inentionally trying to insult you and no action was taken because that intent cannot be proven.

I've gotten a lot of disrespectful remarks from the mods and others and told to shut up and swallow it (my interpretation, not theirs...). Many of them are about as polite as a toothpick, but, in the end, if Nordligmark claims one thing, the only ones who can make a ruling - short of Almighty MAX - are the mods. The mods and other players can tell him to shut up and grow a thicker skin, and then 'prove' using their standards what a 'racist' is. They have their definitions of such things, and use those definitions to determine what is offensive and what is not.They are unpaid, voluntary staff that give up their time for this game. It isn't very surprising that they don't react favorably to some of the abusive posts here, or the repetetive accusations of bias and power abuse.
You're not the only one that disagrees with mod rulings and rules. You're just one of the few that constantly brings it up.

Is it a flame? Is it just debate? They don't care about feelings being hurt. No, there are a certain set of rules that can be found in the forum and FAQ. Flaming is defined there. In fact, someone can be guilty of flaming even if no feelings are hurt.
They just enforce the rules as they see fit. Not necessarily wrong.
The 'niceness' of the responses (as in post #2) is up to the definitions in the minds of the mods. You can't just go to the dictionary, look up 'intelligent' and say that is offensive or not. The mods use what they call 'common sense' to make their judgments. And some posters like to jump in with their own biting remarks, call names, and tell people to grow a thicker skin because their definition fits the mod definition. Those people will statistically escape a warning more times that not.Mayhap. Perhaps this could be because no rules are being violated and those people are either not the kind of people that violate the rules or clever enough to stop before that line is crossed.

Of course, I can't prove that, but it's something to ponder.Then it is perhaps just a conspiracy theory.

Fine. Then I do not have to do what you say. Besides, you are getting off topic. You've threatened me before, but there's nothing I can do about that either...let's just agree to disagree.

I'm afraid we'll have to. (Gosh, childish much with the 'you're not the boss of me' when no one's said I am? Yeesh.) I have never once threatened you. If I had, I'm quite sure the moderators AND administrator in the thread would have called me on it, and rightfully so. No, you don't have to do anything I say. No one ever said you had to. If anyone is off-topic here, it's you with your continued 'mod bias' accusations. Advice and opinion - we're all free to offer it, and you're free to ignore it. In spite of your continued martyr complex, no one has told you to shut up either - just suggested that your perception might be a bit off. Something you've admitted as well.

If you insist on carrying on like this, there's not a thing I can do about it - it's your choice. Just like it's your 'perceptions' and your 'feelings' and your hangups. And in the end, it seems to be your problem.

In any case, regardless of who posted the remarks in question, moderator or not, there's nothing I've ever seen acted on or commented on that would suggest they're anything but too mild to be actionable, and not directed at any one poster in particular, merely stating an opinion. It's not like TG said 'Ny, you're a dumbass'. Entirely different matter. Really think you're barking up the wrong tree, and making a very poor choice of 'underdog' to support on this one.

Again, in case you missed it ... opinion. Something we're all free to state so long as we do it without breaking rules.

Odd...it looks like you've called me "Zitat von Yellowstone Valley". Weird.

But you are thread hijacking, Laerod. I disagree with you, but I might have to ask that we take this back to the thread I started.

Again, in case you missed it ... opinion. Something we're all free to state so long as we do it without breaking rules.

That I agree with. I really don't know the complaintant's political views. I was merely stating my opinion as it were. Feel free to call me childish. I think that you did threaten me, and that is my opinion.

But enough thread hijacking. My opinion is as irrelevant as any other non-mod. That is what this thread is about...moderator opinion. In the end, it is just opinion from the likes of me, DLN, Laerod, and whomever. It is the mods, and whatever is beyond the mods...this recourse of which I have been informed of already, thank you...and not up to those that play the game.

DLN is right there, too. As long as we don't break the rules, we can post our opinions, however rudely some people like to put them. Or, they can leave, as I might do if I break enough rules and have someone push the right buttons. What you do is your choice of course, Nordligmark. If the topic was centered around Islamic culture or Global Warming, I would, in high probability, disagree with you and find your views unlike mine. However, this topic is about your perception of moderator 'judgment' and has nothing to do with anyone else's opinions or grievances.

Odd...it looks like you've called me "Zitat von Yellowstone Valley". Weird.My forum settings are in German. It has its consequences ;)

But you are thread hijacking, Laerod. I disagree with you, but I might have to ask that we take this back to the thread I started.Please understand that if you have only been around since February and only have 20 posts, you may not have the experience to make a valid judgement about mod bias and power abuse. You don't need to go around and give advice in Moderation about how an issue may or may not be treated.

If you can't grasp the difference in calling someone an asshole, and having racial biggotry from having an opinion that intelligent people put more thought into their opinions, no one can help you. I couldn't care less about 'authority' or your veiled insinuations. I do however find it amusing when a proven racist, and someone who is repeatedly in trouble for some rather inflammatory commentary gets all bent out of shape by someone else suggesting that knee-jerk reactions might not be all that brilliant.

I glanced at your other posts but I'll answer this. First of all, chill. You seem very angry and a thousand times more out of shape than me...if I ever was. :rolleyes: Why did this thread make you so mad? Whatever...
TG suggested that intelligent people believe in oscillations (sp? I'm about to sleep) in temperature and hence they believe in doing nothing about environment and not giving a "knee-jerk reaction". Doesnt this imply people who believe temperatures will rise unless intervened by us (or rather stopping our intervention to nature) or people who want some action on Global Warming, etc...is unintelligent?
So I just believe unitelligent is a worse thing to imply than say asshole. And I gave my reasons about why I called islamic culture inferior (women repression , etc...not going to discuss it here?). So I was wondering if a certain political opinion can be considered unintelligent, why not a certain culture considered inferior according to rules...

Edit (not necessarily directed at Lady): By the way, why do people keep calling Mr Barry Max as if they know him? Do you know him? Do mods know him? Is he the supervisor of mods as well as the writer? Good night...

I'm with Nordlig on this one (duh)...calling him unintelligent was going too far.

Of the two first posts in this thread, Nordligmark is the only one close to actionable. Even so, it's not even worthy of a "knock it off".

But enough thread hijacking.
Damn straight. Locked.