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I believe, even if these are allowed for the reasons of free speech, they should be restrained to adult (18+) environments.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11444869&postcount=412

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11447566&postcount=466

They are no more graphic then most of the posts concerning that subject.

Have to agree with Hydesland. The content matter is controversial but it's hardly graphic.

At most I can see it being locked if it is a puppet parroting the same argument.....

NO.

You two are wrong. Plain and simple. The NS forum has had a whalloping by these pedophiles. I, and many others, are sick of their promotion of their perversion, and mods inability to act. They are hellbent in making pedophilia acceptable. It is time they are stopped- and I would love to see a Mod step up and be a REAL wo/man and ban them from this forum. It's about time someone stood up for what was right.

NO.

You two are wrong. Plain and simple. The NS forum has had a whalloping by these pedophiles. I, and many others, are sick of their promotion of their perversion, and mods inability to act. They are hellbent in making pedophilia acceptable. It is time they are stopped- and I would love to see a Mod step up and be a REAL wo/man and ban them from this forum. It's about time someone stood up for what was right.

:rolleyes:

there are also many that feel it is helpful to discuss the topic, you are not "standing up for what is right" because you claim to have people agreeing with you.
How about leaviing the decisions on what is/isn't acceptable up to the people who have the power to decide instead of making demands?

SOMEBODY has to start demanding rightful action from those in authority- or NOTHING will ever be done and NOTHING will ever change. I'm not part of the apathetic majority who will let people of ANY station get away with crap. Cuz that's all it is- crap. I want action taken against these pedophiles and I want it taken NOW.

Last I checked this wasn't a 'help forum' for everyone and their issues -whether socially acceptable or not.

I frankly don't care what the topic is, if it's for promotion, or pity, or 'why can't you all just understand meeeee', I figure there's ample other avenues that can be used for it. General's 'anything and everything' was ill-thought out to begin with, and has really only served to keep it all out of the other themed forums (for which many of us are grateful, mind) - but I'd rather see it used more as a political/topical issues discussion board than simple social hour (easily achieved on blogs/journals or other online venues such as IRC or chat programs), or the above-mentioned pleas for attention.

Then again, I'm not boss here.

There is no protected 'freedom of speech' on these boards, and there never has been. The owner has decided that Nazi imagery in flags and slogans and such is not allowable, that indecent pictures are nixed, and so far, that people and subjects many find offensive will be allowed to continue posting and expressing themselves so long as they don't cross the line. It's his choice, whether I agree with it or not.

I do wish a more firm stand would be taken on this subject in particular however. As I said, this isn't the place for platforming your desire to be 'accepted and understood'.

Hack is on this one currently and I'm not about to override him. We let Nazis discuss (rationally) their ideology; we can grant, with a grimace, the same to pedophiles. Tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with implicit acceptance beyond the acceptance of the mindset to perhaps exist, if not act out.

I personally agree, pedophilia is morally unacceptable. So is Nazism. However, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and so as long as people are rational about it discussion concerning it will be allowed.

Hack is on this one currently and I'm not about to override him. We let Nazis discuss (rationally) their ideology; we can grant, with a grimace, the same to pedophiles. Tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with implicit acceptance beyond the acceptance of the mindset to perhaps exist, if not act out.

I personally agree, pedophilia is morally unacceptable. So is Nazism. However, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and so as long as people are rational about it discussion concerning it will be allowed.

That's a load of baloney, you know. And rarely is Nazi talk tolerated- except when they start ranting against Jews, in which case it seems to be totally accepted. Same with pedophilia. No it isn't "grimacingly" tolerated. We just are without backbone- spineless. I would rather Pedophiles go spew their filth somewhere else.

And while we're at it (though it be unrelated) how's about we kick some Nazi's out of "Israel" the NS region.

I hope Hack has enough sense to ban the pedo's from the forum permanently. Discussion is one thing, open adherence and promotion is another.

That's a load of baloney, you know. And rarely is Nazi talk tolerated- except when they start ranting against Jews, in which case it seems to be totally accepted. Same with pedophilia. No it isn't "grimacingly" tolerated. We just are without backbone- spineless. I would rather Pedophiles go spew their filth somewhere else.

And while we're at it (though it be unrelated) how's about we kick some Nazi's out of "Israel" the NS region.

I hope Hack has enough sense to ban the pedo's from the forum permanently. Discussion is one thing, open adherence and promotion is another.

Well kiddo, I don't see a lot of 'welcoming with open arms' from most folks out there, so will suggest as has been by moderators and other folks alike, that instead of looking like a screaming harridan, you use some rational arguments of your own to shut them down.

No one is saying you have to like it. No one is saying you have to accept them. What is being said thus far is that so long as they abide within the rules as they currently stand, rational discussion is allowed.

If you think you're as up to the task as you are of accusing everyone else of being complicit, go get 'em tiger.

Yes, but he is not Advocating the act of sex against a minor. He's telling you the differences between Pedofelia and Child Molestation. I read through the two posts and i didnt' see anything like "Lets all go have sex with a kid", so why do you have a problem with his posts?

Yes, but he is not Advocating the act of sex against a minor. He's telling you the differences between Pedofelia and Child Molestation. I read through the two posts and i didnt' see anything like "Lets all go have sex with a kid", so why do you have a problem with his posts?

Yes, do tell. I've stated in other threads that I oppose adult/child relationships so what exactly is the agenda I'm guilty of fostering? I've stated from the beginning that my sole purpose with these posts is to show people that I'm not some sort of mythic monster, despite protostations from the media and our government. I have a family and friends that love and respect me. I have no desire to harm anyone, but in your ignorance and narrowmindedness you refuse to even discuss the subject with me. You see 'pedophile' and go off on a rant, without even an attempt to understand.

Suvyamara']Yes, do tell. I've stated in other threads that I oppose adult/child relationships so what exactly is the agenda I'm guilty of fostering? I've stated from the beginning that my sole purpose with these posts is to show people that I'm not some sort of mythic monster, despite protostations from the media and our government. I have a family and friends that love and respect me. I have no desire to harm anyone, but in your ignorance and narrowmindedness you refuse to even discuss the subject with me. You see 'pedophile' and go off on a rant, without even an attempt to understand.

Look. We're discussing whether or not such things ought to be allowed for discussion on boards that school-aged kids frequent, not about how 'narrowminded' you think the rest of us are for not embracing your ideals with open arms - our choice to make as much as it is yours to chose your proclivities, and advertise them. You want to put yourself out in public like that, be prepared for the backlash. That pretty much goes for everyone. Again, NOT the place for your platforming. (EDIT: not to try and sound authoritarian, just mirroring comments previously by those who are in authority, and voicing my opinion there, for those who might be confused)

Hack is on this one currently and I'm not about to override him. We let Nazis discuss (rationally) their ideology; we can grant, with a grimace, the same to pedophiles. Tolerance has absolutely nothing to do with implicit acceptance beyond the acceptance of the mindset to perhaps exist, if not act out.

I personally agree, pedophilia is morally unacceptable. So is Nazism. However, what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander and so as long as people are rational about it discussion concerning it will be allowed.

I did see many nazi accusations flying around, but I've never seen anyone actually defending Nazism, neither I've seen someone who started his post as "I'm nazi." This poster stared his post as "I'm paedophile". In any case, discussing paedophilia might be ok but I dont think it's ok where there are many 13 year olds.

Suvyamara']Yes, do tell. I've stated in other threads that I oppose adult/child relationships so what exactly is the agenda I'm guilty of fostering? I've stated from the beginning that my sole purpose with these posts is to show people that I'm not some sort of mythic monster, despite protostations from the media and our government. I have a family and friends that love and respect me. I have no desire to harm anyone, but in your ignorance and narrowmindedness you refuse to even discuss the subject with me. You see 'pedophile' and go off on a rant, without even an attempt to understand.

Look Suvyamara, you might be perfectly normal and a great person. That's irrevelant. What some others and I are saying is that the content of your discussion is simply inappropriate for PG-13 environment. Talking about sex is perfectly natural too, but we dont do it near children.

Edit: Besides, looking at your post history, you are using some "detours" which might lead to a questionable place, while your seemingly main argument is that you are against minor/adult relationship. You are questioning the age of consent (pointing that AoE is 13 in Spain), you are saying things like parents shouldnt shelter kids from real world, or you are saying that the minor person you were with werent harmed by your relationships. I recognize these "detour" tactic as I also do it, on other subjects.

Look Suvyamara, you might be perfectly normal and a great person. That's irrevelant. What some others and I are saying is that the content of your discussion is simply inappropriate for PG-13 environment. Talking about sex is perfectly natural too, but we dont do it near children.

Edit: Besides, looking at your post history, you are using some "detours" which might lead to a questionable place, while your seemingly main argument is that you are against minor/adult relationship. You are questioning the age of consent (pointing that AoE is 13 in Spain), you are saying things like parents shouldnt shelter kids from real world, or you are saying that the minor person you were with werent harmed by your relationships. I recognize these "detour" tactic as I also do it, on other subjects.

Firstly, you're not discussing whether or not sex-related posts are acceptable. You're discussing whether or not posts concerning pedophilia are acceptable. There hasn't been a single poster discussing whether or not discussions of homosexuality or water sports, or masturbation are appropriate. It's this act of singling out that I find objectionable.

As to my 'detours', I view the AoC argument to be completely separate from this one. My views on AoC have very little, if anything, to do with my status as an MAA.

Also, for the record, the minor in question certainly was ultimately harmed by our relationship, which is why I don't advocate such relationships.

I did see many nazi accusations flying around, but I've never seen anyone actually defending Nazism, neither I've seen someone who started his post as "I'm nazi." This poster stared his post as "I'm paedophile". In any case, discussing paedophilia might be ok but I dont think it's ok where there are many 13 year olds.
I think it's sufficient to say that you haven't seen what I've seen. As it stands, it's also probably not the world's most brilliant idea to have threads on anything else we wouldn't like our kids to be exposed to (like sex, or Nazism, or the Republican Party)... but so it goes.

Suvyamara]Firstly, you're not discussing whether or not sex-related posts are acceptable. You're discussing whether or not posts concerning pedophilia are acceptable. There hasn't been a single poster discussing whether or not discussions of homosexuality or water sports, or masturbation are appropriate. It's this act of singling out that I find objectionable.
Homosexuality: consenting adults.
Water sports: consenting adults.
Masturbation: consenting adult by nature.
Pedophilia: lack of a consenting adult, again by nature, due to the lack of social, moral, physical, and hormonal maturity in at least one of the persons involved.

They are not equivalent sexual activities and thus assuming equivalent treatment to all is illogical. Besides that, you apparently missed the homosexuality, kink, and masturbation thread phases that have happened over the four years we've been online. People don't like your position. A lot of people don't like Nazis, Republicans, Democrats, hippies, soldiers, teenagers, middle agers, businessmen or priests either. Deal.

They are not equivalent sexual activities and thus assuming equivalent treatment to all is illogical. Besides that, you apparently missed the homosexuality, kink, and masturbation thread phases that have happened over the four years we've been online. People don't like your position. A lot of people don't like Nazis, Republicans, Democrats, hippies, soldiers, teenagers, middle agers, businessmen or priests either. Deal.

Well, of course, that's natural. Nobody likes republicans.

(just a side note.... don't think it's required to be an adult to masturbate.)

(hmm, ok, just to stir things up because I'm bored, at what point does one become capable of consent?)

Stir things up elsewhere.

Stir things up elsewhere.

You started it.

Suvyamara']You started it.

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we?

*golf clap for dicking with the Moderators - you know, the folks entirely capable of deleting your sorry ass*

(yes that was sarcasm)

Not the sharpest tool in the shed, are we?

*golf clap for dicking with the Moderators - you know, the folks entirely capable of deleting your sorry ass*

(yes that was sarcasm)

Oh it was a joke. Because we're discussing a touchy subject we have to keep our posts entirely devoid of humor? Heck, the way I figure it this is the best time to use humor.

Two Boy Scouts walk into a bar...

This is neither the time nor the place for such things. If things have been clarified satisfactorily, I do believe the discussion here is finished.

Suvyamara']You started it.


Hi my name is Suvyamara and I bet I can get myself banned in 3 posts.

:D

It has been said before, but I guess it needs to be said again: Policy is under review.

It'd be nice if people would stop discussing it, but we're going to follow the current SoP until it is changed by the people/person who has the authority to change it. It has nothing to do with being "man enough" to do it.

Besides, when was buckling under public pressure "manly"?

The posts in question are in a locked, buried thread in the UN forum. Forgetting for the moment that the UN tends to skew older than General, what more do you want? It was a discussion dealing with a Proposal that was up for vote, and thus germain to the topic at hand.

Just because you play the record slowly doesn't mean Satan's talking to you.

Just because you play the record slowly doesn't mean Satan's talking to you.

Lies! Where do you think I get the material for most of my posts? :p

Sorry, just figured I'd lighten the mood a little. This whole mess is getting really nasty.

Stir things up elsewhere.


Quick question.

By "stir it up elsewhere" you probably mean "in the appropriate forum, and not in Moderation".

However, all of the pedo-threads have been locked, and above, of the mods mentions that the content of these types of threads in "under review".

If such discussion cant be done in General, then where does such conversation belong?

Despite the occasional flaming, there WAS genuine debate, and conversation.
NS hasnt shied away from delicate debate before, so long as it was kept civilized, and rules werent broken.

Im afaid I dont see any difference here.

Suvyamara']Firstly, you're not discussing whether or not sex-related posts are acceptable. You're discussing whether or not posts concerning pedophilia are acceptable. There hasn't been a single poster discussing whether or not discussions of homosexuality or water sports, or masturbation are appropriate. It's this act of singling out that I find objectionable.The BDSM thread was deleted, so pedophilia hasn't been singled out.