NationStates Jolt Archive


Proposing eradication

Jocabia
01-08-2006, 12:03
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475787&postcount=1373
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475733&postcount=1369

He argues that anyone even arguing is 'guilty of the detestable'.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475613&postcount=1358
Advocates genetic cleansing.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475630&postcount=1361
Advocates the complete eradication of pedophiles by the state whether guilty of a crime or not.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475646&postcount=1363
Calls anyone willing to even consider allowing pedophiles to live complicit which he later explains is equal to actually molesting children.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11475661&postcount=1365
Points out that Sheni is arguing for tolerance which is something he explains is equal to pedophilia which he thinks should get you killed even if you just think.
Frisbeeteria
01-08-2006, 12:31
Calling for the state to define an action as a capital offense is not the same as "We need to go genocidal on their asses".

No action taken.
Jocabia
01-08-2006, 12:54
Calling for the state to define an action as a capital offense is not the same as "We need to go genocidal on their asses".

No action taken.

Not just an action, but anyone who disagrees with that action. He quite clearly said that simply arguing a point is equivalent. He has since stated that anyone who disagrees with him is 'an enemy of orthodoxy' and must be dealt with in a similar manner.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476072&postcount=1406

Keep in mind that he said clearly what violations of the law warrant.

All the while, BogMarsh admits that he is will not discuss only preach.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476157&postcount=1424
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476051&postcount=1402

TG said earlier that he is cracking down on people who are unwilling to debate or examine evidence.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476176&postcount=1430

I know bad debate is not a violation of the rules of NS, but come on, the guy isn't debating. At all. He simply says that he is unwilling to consider any evidence or argument presented by 'the enemy' and that in fact that 'enemy' belongs in jail. The enemy being defined by him to be anyone that disagrees with his views on orthodoxy and conventionalism.
Jocabia
01-08-2006, 13:08
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476226&postcount=1438

I mean, come on. I understand if he was just making an argument. However, he's suggesting that I am insane and should be imprisoned. Sorry, not suggesting -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476234&postcount=1441

Saying outright.

Oh, and ignore the obvious irony -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11476302&postcount=1458
Cluichstan
01-08-2006, 15:02
I find it...hmmm...interesting...that the last two reports you've posted here have been about people who are railing against pedophiles. Yeah, it's a real shame that there are people who find pedophiles sickening...
Sinuhue
01-08-2006, 15:15
So these kind of 'tactics' are okay as long as it's against something you are also against? And yes, clearly Jocabia has a pro-pedophile agenda motivating his last two reports; having had been molested himself, he obviously 'converted'.:rolleyes:
Admiral Canaris
01-08-2006, 15:23
And yes, clearly Jocabia has a pro-pedophile agenda motivating his last two reports; having had been molested himself, he obviously 'converted'.:rolleyes:
It's called Stockholm syndrome.
Skinny87
01-08-2006, 15:25
It's called Stockholm syndrome.

1) I believe SS is only to do with being taken hostage - something I doubt has happened to Jocabia. Or do you believe that being molested somehow makes one a pedophile somehow?

2) Personal attacks in Moderation really aren't a smart move.
Admiral Canaris
01-08-2006, 15:30
1) I believe SS is only to do with being taken hostage - something I doubt has happened to Jocabia. Or do you believe that being molested somehow makes one a pedophile somehow?
No. It's not.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stockholm_Syndrome

2) Personal attacks in Moderation really aren't a smart move.
It's not a personal attack.
Sinuhue
01-08-2006, 16:30
It's called Stockholm syndrome.
Grow up.
The Niaman
01-08-2006, 19:11
Jocabia, it's just a statement of opinion. Just like the sickening pedophiles I railed against. You argue incessantly for the pedophile's right to state the opinion, yet when anyone goes after them, our rights seem to just evaporate in the eyes of you and others on your side of the coin. And it doesn't help that some moderators seem to be biased as well.

BogMarsh seems to be very rational and cool-headed in writing all the posts you've cited. And many people agree with him, maybe not to the same extremity, but he has a point, and he made it with rational speech. Surely we won't ban him for that. If anything, the pedophiles on this forum should be banned- permanently.

One can advocate the most extreme positions, granted he can state them in a rational manner. One can hold the most moderate positions, and state them very radically- something that I've noticed has been cause enough for a ban.

And, for the record, I think you blow the whistle WAY too much. Quit breathing down every one's necks. Sometimes people need to blow off a little steam.

I saw no death threats, no threat of bodily harm, nor any name-calling, nor anything that is facially inflammatory or offensive.
The Yi Ta
01-08-2006, 19:36
Jocabia, it's just a statement of opinion. Just like the sickening pedophiles I railed against. You argue incessantly for the pedophile's right to state the opinion, yet when anyone goes after them, our rights seem to just evaporate in the eyes of you and others on your side of the coin. And it doesn't help that some moderators seem to be biased as well.

BogMarsh seems to be very rational and cool-headed in writing all the posts you've cited. And many people agree with him, maybe not to the same extremity, but he has a point, and he made it with rational speech. Surely we won't ban him for that. If anything, the pedophiles on this forum should be banned- permanently.

One can advocate the most extreme positions, granted he can state them in a rational manner. One can hold the most moderate positions, and state them very radically- something that I've noticed has been cause enough for a ban.

And, for the record, I think you blow the whistle WAY too much. Quit breathing down every one's necks. Sometimes people need to blow off a little steam.

I saw no death threats, no threat of bodily harm, nor any name-calling, nor anything that is facially inflammatory or offensive.

Maybe it would help you to understand the positions of various posters and mods if you look at this thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10604061

As TMGH explains, this is not, as you called it, "moderator bias" it is simply continuing with the way the forums have been policed before and probably will be in the future.
(This post is in reply to all the you've made on this subject in different moderation threads)
The Niaman
01-08-2006, 20:21
Maybe it would help you to understand the positions of various posters and mods if you look at this thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=10604061

As TMGH explains, this is not, as you called it, "moderator bias" it is simply continuing with the way the forums have been policed before and probably will be in the future.
(This post is in reply to all the you've made on this subject in different moderation threads)

Not so. What some mods would ban, others would not. Tactical Grace is one I would consider more "strict" than, say, Euroslavia. But that's not the issue at hand-

It's whether or not to ban someone who has done nothing wrong.
Crazy girl
01-08-2006, 23:29
So these kind of 'tactics' are okay as long as it's against something you are also against? And yes, clearly Jocabia has a pro-pedophile agenda motivating his last two reports; having had been molested himself, he obviously 'converted'.:rolleyes:

He sure as hell seems to like protecting them and defending them here on the forums.
Jocabia
02-08-2006, 00:12
He sure as hell seems to like protecting them and defending them here on the forums.

Why? Because I don't want to kill them? Yeah, if you are claiming I'm biased toward keeping people from being murdered who have committed NO crime, you're correct, I'm biased.

Meanwhile, ask my opinion of CHILD MOLESTERS.

I know the difference between criminals and people who simply have distasteful fantasies. Do you?
Jocabia
02-08-2006, 00:15
Jocabia, it's just a statement of opinion. Just like the sickening pedophiles I railed against. You argue incessantly for the pedophile's right to state the opinion, yet when anyone goes after them, our rights seem to just evaporate in the eyes of you and others on your side of the coin. And it doesn't help that some moderators seem to be biased as well.

BogMarsh seems to be very rational and cool-headed in writing all the posts you've cited. And many people agree with him, maybe not to the same extremity, but he has a point, and he made it with rational speech. Surely we won't ban him for that. If anything, the pedophiles on this forum should be banned- permanently.

One can advocate the most extreme positions, granted he can state them in a rational manner. One can hold the most moderate positions, and state them very radically- something that I've noticed has been cause enough for a ban.

And, for the record, I think you blow the whistle WAY too much. Quit breathing down every one's necks. Sometimes people need to blow off a little steam.

I saw no death threats, no threat of bodily harm, nor any name-calling, nor anything that is facially inflammatory or offensive.

So if I say all religious people should die, would that be against the rules? It's exactly what he said, about innocent people.

If he'd said it about religious people, or atheists, or black people, or shoe vendors, I would have reported it. He admits they've not committed an actual crime and he said he thinks they should be executed before they do, all the while claiming that anyone who disagreed with them is guilty of the same 'crime'.
Jocabia
02-08-2006, 00:41
I don't know why it matters who the subject of the posts are, but since we keep turning these threads into "O G0d, Jocabia is teh pr0-pedophile".

My molester was a thirteen-year-old girl who had herself been molested and whose parents refused any treatment she needed. I know she actually molested another child after me. She deserves to be imprisoned, and would likely continue offending all her life given the opportunity
...
I can however gladly prevent her from ever offending again by separating her from all children for as long as she is on this world.

Actually, if you'd bother to read you'd see I don't support pedophilia at all. I consider it a mental illness.
The Most Glorious Hack
02-08-2006, 04:32
Hey... guess what forum this isn't...