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Hello, I have been reading Bottle's posting, and it advocates the killing of Christians. The link is: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=492749

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Originally Posted by Sirrvs
So does Islam, so I guess pointing fingers will get us nowhere.

Sure it will: I point my finger square at superstitious cults. I personally promise you that the amount of bullshit on this planet will decrease exponentially if we get rid of them all.

Don't believe me? Okay, fair enough. Let's put my theory to the test. You help me wipe superstition off the face of the Earth, and if it doesn't accomplish anything then I owe you a Coke.
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She's saying that if we got rid of superstitious cults the amount of bullshit would decrease. The "if" there is quite important. Then she talks about getting rid of superstition, not the superstitious.

Not really explicitely advocating murder, I don't think.

Here's a link to the specific post (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11404604&postcount=15).

I'm all for getting rid of religon, but wiping them out, ehh, not my style. I'd prefere to make religon look bad by portraying it negetivly on tv. I don't know how that would work in most countries but here in America it would work faster then it took to get thye ad out there. Then gently easing religous folks out of it very slowly, very calmly. But, you know I wouldn't kill them like some gun happy redneck lunatic.

First, she's not saying specifically Christians, just superstitious cults. If you want to believe Christianity is part of that then fine. Second, it's a hypothetical, fairly vague suggestion/joke. Nothing there is actionable.

If you look at the post to which Bottle quoted, that post was in response to someone's accusation of "Christianity having a history of intolerance, brutality and hilarity thrown in for good measure."

Then, bottle said and I quote, "Sure it will: I point my finger square at superstitious cults. I personally promise you that the amount of bullshit on this planet will decrease exponentially if we get rid of them all."

Superstitious cults.

First, she's not saying specifically Christians, just superstitious cults. If you want to believe Christianity is part of that then fine. Second, it's a hypothetical, fairly vague suggestion/joke. Nothing there is actionable.

Wait here, what do you think the topic is? How hypothetical is asking someone to help him do it? He didn't say, suppose we do it, if we do it. I quote again, "Let's put my theory to the test. You help me wipe superstition off the face of the Earth, and if it doesn't accomplish anything then I owe you a Coke."

This is way over the line.

She considers it a subset of superstitious cult.
She considers all religions superstitious cults.

She does not say murder, she does not say kill , she says get rid of or wipe out. This could just as well mean through propaganda, education, outlawing.

I think you are overreacting to this.

She considers it a subset of superstitious cult.
She considers all religions superstitious cults.

She does not say murder, she does not say kill , she says get rid of or wipe out. This could just as well mean through propaganda, education, outlawing.

I think you are overreacting to this.

Again, wiping something off the face of the earth isn't murder? Think about this. No I am not overreacting, if anything, you're blindly ignoring the facts here.

I believe that thread has degenerated into trolling. Maybe you should lock it?

If I was to take it your way, this should be worth a suspension anyways as he is advocating getting rid of a substantial belief of groups of people. I see someone else was suspended for saying that leftwingers are idiots, etc. and yet this isn't even on the same level or worse???

I believe that thread has degenerated into trolling. Maybe you should lock it?

I am not trolling whatsoever. Don't give me that.

I am not trolling whatsoever. Don't give me that.

Not this thread, the "for the first time ever...." thread where Bottle said that thing.

If you look at the post to which Bottle quoted, that post was in response to someone's accusation of "Christianity having a history of intolerance, brutality and hilarity thrown in for good measure."

Then, bottle said and I quote, "Sure it will: I point my finger square at superstitious cults. I personally promise you that the amount of bullshit on this planet will decrease exponentially if we get rid of them all."

Superstitious cults.

Notice *cults* not *cultists* eliminating Christianity does not= eliminating all Christians.

So: removing all cigarette ads from TV was murder?
So: wiping out ignorance would be murder?
So: getting rid of drugs on the streets is murder?

Again: I believe you are reading more into this than really exists. It appears that from "wipe superstition off the face of the Earth" which could include paganism, Shintoism, Atreyu, Christianity, Judaism, Islam, throwing spilled salt over one's left shoulder to ward off the devil, having a lucky rabbit's foot, etc., you have narrowed it down to "killing Christians".

This is an unreasonable leap of logic to have made.

If Bottle said, "Let's wipe all Christians off the face of the earth," your belief that she was advocating the murder of Christians would carry a great deal of weight. That is not what she said: it is what you presumed. Moreover, you have presumed that she is targeting Christianity in particular and base your offense and report of her post on that -- not that she may have also been speaking of Judaism, Islam, et al. Doesn't that seem rather biased?

If I was to take it your way, this should be worth a suspension anyways as he is advocating getting rid of a substantial belief of groups of people. I see someone else was suspended for saying that leftwingers are idiots, etc. and yet this isn't even on the same level or worse???


Leftwingers are idiots = flame.

"I don't agree with liberalism and would love to see it wiped out" is fine.

You are confusing disagreeing with an idea and attacking the person.

The leap from hypothesising about an eradication of superstition to a call for the murder of Christians is akin to the leap from asking whether the world would be improved by an eradication of capitalism to a call for the murder of derivatives traders. Absurd.