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I cant help but wonder why the notorious and notoriously unpunished troll who has been putting graffiti in quite a few General threads for quite a while hasn't been dealt with.

Is it because you stopped reading general?

Initials C&T

Offenses too many to list (or be missed by anyone even perusing the forum).

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Your smug insinuation that we're not doing our job annoys me. I don't read General, and I don't act on vague suggestions that somebody is doing something wrong. Provide links, or don't bother.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394420&postcount=6

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394332&postcount=5

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394163&postcount=28

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394137&postcount=50

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11388123&postcount=43

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11388111&postcount=6

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387478&postcount=14

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387389&postcount=28

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387331&postcount=24

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387130&postcount=238

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387076&postcount=10

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11386192&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11385209&postcount=131

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11385253&postcount=134

Found some more

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384751&postcount=81

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384688&postcount=79

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384734&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384650&postcount=43

EDIT:

And some REAL DOOZIES from the above-professed anti-religion "mainstream democrat"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269130&postcount=93

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11293917&postcount=100

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269184&postcount=102

And more:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269046&postcount=85

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254639&postcount=541

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254848&postcount=547

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254926&postcount=549

Basically 700 posts of it are there for the finding.

Okie Dokie I found some more

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254831&postcount=118

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254809&postcount=20

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254670&postcount=94

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254659&postcount=16

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11251017&postcount=112

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384864&postcount=88

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384933&postcount=96

AND the Grand Finale:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11299871&postcount=153

What exactly are you complaining about here? Seems like this poster's style is sarcastic/satiric...but that doesn't mean it's trolling.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394420&postcount=6

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394332&postcount=5

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11394163&postcount=28


I read through these 3 before I stopped. I also read your so-called Grand Finale. I can't help but ask "what's wrong with these posts?" I don't see a rule violation here but perhaps you could quote me the relevant article in the one-stop rules shop that this poster violated.

Check that, the following might be actionable.

The lower ones are worth more consideration IMO. He seems to have a deterioration in his ability to stop himself from calling X group stupid.


http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11388111&postcount=6

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387389&postcount=28

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387130&postcount=238

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11387076&postcount=10

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11386192&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11385209&postcount=131

What exactly are you complaining about here? Seems like this poster's style is sarcastic/satiric...but that doesn't mean it's trolling.


Pretending to be a "mainstream democrat" and proposing all sorts of inane things?

Then pretending to be a christian fundamentalist and saying all sorts of inane and condescending things?

This is in my opinion obviously a troll - a made-up persona intended to caricature and get under people's skin.

Lets let the mods read over all of the evidence and let them decide, shall we?

I think it should be pointed out that he slips up and breaks character, so you can be absolutely sure he's trolling.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11385380&postcount=875

And it should be pointed out that when he first appeared he was a fundamentalist Republican and now he appears in threads claiming people who follow religion are stupid, etc. It's about as clear as trolling gets.

Found some more

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384751&postcount=81

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384688&postcount=79

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384734&postcount=17

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384650&postcount=43

EDIT:

And some REAL DOOZIES from the above-professed anti-religion "mainstream democrat"

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269130&postcount=93

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11293917&postcount=100

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269184&postcount=102

And more:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11269046&postcount=85

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254639&postcount=541

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254848&postcount=547

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254926&postcount=549

Basically 700 posts of it are there for the finding.

Okie Dokie I found some more

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254831&postcount=118

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254809&postcount=20

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254670&postcount=94

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11254659&postcount=16

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11251017&postcount=112

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384864&postcount=88

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11384933&postcount=96

AND the Grand Finale:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11299871&postcount=153
I like the ones where he forgets that he thinks everyone who is religious is bad, and posted how he will "pray for someone". He was in a few threads I was in and to me he was quite clearly trolling, but I guess thats just how we see it.

What exactly are you complaining about here? Seems like this poster's style is sarcastic/satiric...but that doesn't mean it's trolling.

If I'm sarcastic, it's trolling. Why shouldn't that apply to everyone else?

If I'm sarcastic, it's trolling. Why shouldn't that apply to everyone else?

Obviously it should.

I mean, it just seems to me that he's really bad at argument. He claims to be "really smart" in one of his posts, but precedes to make sweeping statements with little to no evidence sprinkled with a bit of poor-taste ad hom arguments. I'm not sure that's actionable, but I am sure that many of us will make fun of the silly logic or put on our ignore hats.

I mean, it just seems to me that he's really bad at argument. He claims to be "really smart" in one of his posts, but precedes to make sweeping statements with little to no evidence sprinkled with a bit of poor-taste ad hom arguments. I'm not sure that's actionable, but I am sure that many of us will make fun of the silly logic or put on our ignore hats.

You see, in trolling, he wants us to poke holes in his argument. That's how it works. I hyperbolize my opponent by creating a puppet and pretending to agree with him but exaggerating his position. I let everyone else make my arguments for me by attacking my exaggerated position. It's a particularly elaborate form of strawman.

You see, in trolling, he wants us to poke holes in his argument. That's how it works. I hyperbolize my opponent by creating a puppet and pretending to agree with him but exaggerating his position. I let everyone else make my arguments for me by attacking my exaggerated position. It's a particularly elaborate form of strawman.
1. Since he's played both sides, and it currently looks like has taken the side he agrees with, that analysis doesn't make very much sense.

2. Making bad arguments does not a troll make. He's a troll if he's intentionally hurtful with his hyperbole. Just taking a very radical, but very silly, perspective, doesn't seem actionable to me.

1. Since he's played both sides, and it currently looks like has taken the side he agrees with, that analysis doesn't make very much sense.

2. Making bad arguments does not a troll make. He's a troll if he's intentionally hurtful with his hyperbole. Just taking a very radical, but very silly, perspective, doesn't seem actionable to me.

But he doesn't agree with the side he's 'on'. He slips up all the time and let's his true colors fly. He's pretending to be an atheist democrat while hyperbolizing what one is and at the same time accidentally letting it slip time and again that he doesn't actually believe what he's pretending to believe.

It is intentionally hurtful. It doesn't matter what you think. The mods will deal with it and they certainly know the definition of a troll. You're not allowed to come on this site pretending to hold beliefs just to make the people who hold those beliefs look silly. This guy is particularly obvious.

His behaviour is rude and stupid, but it is not exactly trolling. Using 'stupid' as an insult is hardly serious enough to class as flaming. He does need to come off the sugar high, or whatever place he must be to generate so many nonsensical viewpoints, but this sort of behaviour would be actionable only if it was ruining someone's thread. Mere incoherence is not in itself an offence.

His behaviour is rude and stupid, but it is not exactly trolling. Using 'stupid' as an insult is hardly serious enough to class as flaming. He does need to come off the sugar high, or whatever place he must be to generate so many nonsensical viewpoints, but this sort of behaviour would be actionable only if it was ruining someone's thread. Mere incoherence is not in itself an offence.

Pardon? It's not just about incoherence. I thought pretending to hold a view you don't hold in order to make those that do hold that view look absurd is trolling. I mean, that is why HerPower and JesusSaves no longer exist in our world. Did the definition of trolling for this site change?

Pardon? It's not just about incoherence. I thought pretending to hold a view you don't hold in order to make those that do hold that view look absurd is trolling. I mean, that is why HerPower and JesusSaves no longer exist in our world. Did the definition of trolling for this site change?

I couldn't agree more; surely all the changing-viewpoints and the nonsensical way in which they're presented counts as flamebait? He's trying to provoke flaming via his inane statements.

Mere incoherence is not in itself an offence.
A fact for which I am sure certain ... unnamed persons on here are extremely glad. :D

Pardon? It's not just about incoherence. I thought pretending to hold a view you don't hold in order to make those that do hold that view look absurd is trolling. I mean, that is why HerPower and JesusSaves no longer exist in our world. Did the definition of trolling for this site change?
Nothing changed. The thing is, the views expressed are so ritalined, they appear to me to be consistent. I think the blame lies not with a malign intelligence on the part of the troll, but a complete lack of it. I have seen exactly that sort of thought train bouncing in friends who spent years on rave drugs or smoking weed all day, every day.

Nothing changed. The thing is, the views expressed are so ritalined, they appear to me to be consistent. I think the blame lies not with a malign intelligence on the part of the troll, but a complete lack of it. I have seen exactly that sort of thought train bouncing in friends who spent years on rave drugs or smoking weed all day, every day.

So you think he actually is a republican fundamentalist and a democrat atheist? Alright. I'm not sure that I see how that's possible, but fine. Now much point in arguing this further, I gather.

Nothing changed. The thing is, the views expressed are so ritalined, they appear to me to be consistent. I think the blame lies not with a malign intelligence on the part of the troll, but a complete lack of it. I have seen exactly that sort of thought train bouncing in friends who spent years on rave drugs or smoking weed all day, every day.
"Ritalined" is a word?? :eek:

"Ritalined" is a word?? :eek:
Alas, with every passing year, I see more and more reasons for it becoming a verb.

This decision legalizes blatant, obvious, deliberate trolling and is outrageous.

This decision legalizes blatant, obvious, deliberate trolling.
No, it simply reserves judgement on a particular individual. Just because they live to see another day, does not mean that state of affairs will last forever.

No, it simply reserves judgement on a particular individual. Just because they live to see another day, does not mean that state of affairs will last forever.


Which of the 40 examples I found didnt you read?

For your convenience:

Nervun, the temple prostitutes thing is just made up by the very small branch of liberal Christians (i.e. Unitarians, Episcopalians, etc.) that doesn't like what Scripture says. But I appreciate your POV. I'll pray for you.

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Battle Hymn of the Republican violates the Seperation of Church and State, so you can't pick that one.

Sorry, I wish we could allow it but the Constitution blocks it. I realize it might have been used at the time, but the people were stupid then, nowadays it can't be taught in public schools because of the 1st amendment.

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I would not be opposed to the leaders of the nation having private jets or other lead activists, like I am. I'M FIGHTING FOR EDUCATION HEALTHCARE AND CHILDCARE FOR ALL, so I am due special consideration. Considering all you do is work for 10 hours a day for yourself and your family, you don't deserve an exemption.

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I support everyone having the exact same treatment. I AM FOR EQUALITY like what was intended by the Founders. THAT ALL MEN (AND WYMIN) ARE EQUAL.
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I originally liked the amendment, but my school teachers scared me because they reminded me of the separation of church and state and because this is exactly what hitler did in germany. While my parents like the republicans, and I like them when I first hear their proposals, after being educated in school I now realize just how evil the republicans really are. I'm glad the Founders established the ACLU to make sure that the constitution isn't repealed.

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Then please explain why their isn't equal distribution of money across the world? Basically, from what I learned in class, the third world exists because of American greed, so how will letting the greediest of Americans seceed help this matter? After our teacher reviewed the facts, my class was determined what we really need is the United Nations to start taxing the rich all across the world to make sure that even the poor have healthcare, childcare, and reproductive freedom.

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Because healthcare, childcare, and reproductive freedom are rights, not priveleges, and property is a privelege granted by the government, not a right.

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This would prevent the government from taxing in order to provide to needy citizens unless they had the consent of the propertyowner. What kind of society would we be if the government had to ask people to help the poor.

THERE IS NO RIGHT TO PROPERTY, and never has been one. Anyone who says there is I find to be so greedy and mean.

In order to use government to stop people from being mean and greedy, I urge a vote for Jon Tester in Montana, Jim Webb in Virginia, and Bob Casey in Pennsylvania.

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I'm not sarcastic, but I'm basically combining the majority sentiment of people on the Forum in response to conservatives.

Now I ask you: Why do conservatives hate the ACLU when it was established by the Founders to protect the Bill of Rights?

Which of the 40 examples I found didnt you read?
I read the lot. Most are equal in making no sense whatsoever.

The above edited with some egregious examples.

This isnt any less clear than jesussaves or another troll, I join jocabia and others in being boggled by this nonsensical decision, which on its face allows blatant trolling.

Boggle all you like. (*hears sound of boggling*).

TG is the mod, and this is a forum owned and operated by someone other than the people complaining.

Feel free to request a second opinion. I am not going to do anything. Their intention is simply not readable.

Which of the 40 examples I found didnt you read?
I read them all earlier this morning. (including a few you didn't even put there) The most I would have said was a "Knock it off" to a few of the more strident statements. And an admonishment to stop pushing political candidates all over the place. :p

The above edited with some egregious examples.

This isnt any less clear than jesussaves or another troll, I join jocabia and others in being boggled by this nonsensical decision, which on its face allows blatant trolling.

Please don't misrepresent my position. I don't agree with TG's decision. But I don't think it allows blatant trolling. Trolls like JesusSaves and HerPower were much better at what they were doing than this. This is bush league. And I'm not boggled by the decision.

TG doesn't want to allow trolling but also doesn't want to set a precedent for every idiot who just spews whatever comes to mind getting thrown out either. I do think this is trolling. TG thinks this is a person who just says whatever comes to mind without really formulating it to make it make sense. The fact that we can disagree means it's not as blatant as you claim.

Please don't misrepresent my position. I don't agree with the decision. I don't think it allows blatant trolling. Trolls like JesusSaves and HerPower were much better at what they were doing than this. This is bush league. And I'm not boggled by the decision.

TG doesn't want to allow trolling but also doesn't want to set a precedent for every idiot who just spews whatever comes to mind getting thrown out either. I do think this is trolling. TG thinks this is a person who just says whatever comes to mind without really formulating it to make it make sense. The fact that we can disagree means it's not as blatant as you claim.

Ohhhh, NG, SNAP-A-DILLIO!:D

Ohhhh, NG, SNAP-A-DILLIO!:D


The drawma of it all.