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Flaming.

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Why on earth are you trying to defend a pedophile against flaming? :confused:

Why on earth are you trying to defend a pedophile against flaming? :confused:
Probably for the same reason we warn such players, and those who dogpile godmodders and n00bs, and other such lowlifes: we have rules on this site, and those who repeatedly fail to observe those rules can play elsewhere.Jocabia is one of many players who understands that sometimes a debate needs to express unpopular or even unpleasant ideas, and we don't toss the rules aside just because people don't like those ideas. You, on the other hand, haven't reached that point. Perhaps you should work on that.



I (or some other mod) will investigate the complaint later.

More, same poster.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11340346&postcount=774

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11340371&postcount=779

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11340472&postcount=789

The first two look less like flaming and more like the guy just needs to calm down and learn about the ignore command.

The last one I would be VERY hard pressed to call out of line. "Your sick" was the strongest term he used.

The 3rd and especially the 4th do warrant attention, though. 4th is flame/I hesitate to use death threat since it isn't explicitly one and in the second he visibly held himself back from one. 3rd is also flame, though more mild.

EDIT: (Not a mod)

The first two look less like flaming and more like the guy just needs to calm down and learn about the ignore command.

The last one I would be VERY hard pressed to call out of line. "Your sick" was the strongest term he used.

The 3rd and especially the 4th do warrant attention, though. 4th is flame/I hesitate to use death threat since it isn't explicitly one and in the second he visibly held himself back from one. 3rd is also flame, though more mild.

EDIT: (Not a mod)

I don't consider "I'm threatening you, but I won't actually say it so I won't get in trouble" to be restraint. The message is just clear and meant to be. If he was really restraining himself, he'd have not said it at all. And there were 5 by one poster all against the same poster and all either flames or suggestions of what he would do if he saw him in person.

I don't consider "I'm threatening you, but I won't actually say it so I won't get in trouble" to be restraint.
I agree. Restraint would be found in the backspace key.

Some of them seem mild-ish, but as a pattern, it's pretty nasty.

Why on earth are you trying to defend a pedophile against flaming? :confused:

What would allowing them to be piled upon accomplish? Ask yourself that. No answer required or desired. Just ask yourself if verbally attacking and threatening these posters will accomplish?

The mods support the reasoned discussion of these issues. It's not support for pedophiles in any way. In fact, they referred to it, I believe, as shining a light on it, exposing it, and such terminology. They recognize like so many need to that these things exist and no amount of hiding our heads in the sand will make them go away. What needs to happen is for their existence to brought to light. We need to use our access to information and excellent debaters to educate people who use faulty evidence and/or bad reasoning to justify dangerous ideologies or proclivities. That is what the mods support and what I try whole-heartedly endorse. That requires an absense of threats and flaming like the one's reported here and elsewhere.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11341871&postcount=825

Just why would this warrant banning. I'm sick of seeing pedophiles popping up from virtually nowhere. The do disgust me. I'm nowhere near apologetic for the things I say (most of the time). And it won't change just because somebody "Feels bad". I could have a whole list of people banned if I named each one that did that to me. I've been flamed before. Besides which, if the guy I was "flaming" was so worried about it, he would have reported it himself. He doesn't see a problem and neither do I. I get mad, I get upset, and I shoot off my mouth when I do. That should be more to warrant dismissing me as a lunatic than any serious threat. How could I possibly "harm: sombody that I have no access to other than this channel?
I refrain from swearing (although I do slip occasionally), and I haven't accused anyone of being a cold-blooded killer and a host of other things (yet). And If I've made it this far without having a REAL shouting spree, then it's safe to say I will never have one.

I didn't appreciate the FALSE accusation of pedophila being hurled on me by someone else in that thread either. But I'm not taking him to court over that- nor did I take anyone else to court over the matter either. I did it only ONCE- with Jey, and was told nothing could be done. So there you have it. I can't do anything about them, so why should I be any more liable for banning than anybody else?

I don't consider "I'm threatening you, but I won't actually say it so I won't get in trouble" to be restraint. The message is just clear and meant to be. If he was really restraining himself, he'd have not said it at all. And there were 5 by one poster all against the same poster and all either flames or suggestions of what he would do if he saw him in person.

Besides which, I never gave out "death threats" at any time throught the whole debate. I would never honestly threaten somebody with death.

The 4th "I want your head on a silver platter" is a figure of speech. You think I could actually follow through with that and actually MEAN that?

Just why would this warrant banning. I'm sick of seeing pedophiles popping up from virtually nowhere. The do disgust me. I'm nowhere near apologetic for the things I say (most of the time). And it won't change just because somebody "Feels bad". I could have a whole list of people banned if I named each one that did that to me. I've been flamed before. Besides which, if the guy I was "flaming" was so worried about it, he would have reported it himself. He doesn't see a problem and neither do I. I get mad, I get upset, and I shoot off my mouth when I do. That should be more to warrant dismissing me as a lunatic than any serious threat. How could I possibly "harm: sombody that I have no access to other than this channel?
I refrain from swearing (although I do slip occasionally), and I haven't accused anyone of being a cold-blooded killer and a host of other things (yet). And If I've made it this far without having a REAL shouting spree, then it's safe to say I will never have one.

I didn't appreciate the FALSE accusation of pedophila being hurled on me by someone else in that thread either. But I'm not taking him to court over that- nor did I take anyone else to court over the matter either. I did it only ONCE- with Jey, and was told nothing could be done. So there you have it. I can't do anything about them, so why should I be any more liable for banning than anybody else?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023

You might be surprised but calling people names and hurling insults -
You sick disgusting pervert! You talk like one, use the same damning arguments as one- you must BE one.

You're a seductive, conniving, gross b@$T@rd!

You're sick. You would question a victim and make him feel guilty, as though he's irrational and responsible.
Is there any low you won't stoop to?


Threats -
You disgust me. If I ever see you in person (God FORBID it) I'll... I'd rather not be charged with threat of bodily injury, and get thrown out.

I hate you...

I want your head brought to me on a silver platter.

isn't really tolerated. Based on what I've seen in the past they were lenient.

How much you think they deserve it or how angry you are doesn't excuse actions based on past mod decisions? Search this forum if you like for mod posts about tempers. You'll find the almost universal response is that if you can't control your temper then you won't survive here. Temper is not an excuse.

Besides which, I never gave out "death threats" at any time throught the whole debate. I would never honestly threaten somebody with death.

The 4th "I want your head on a silver platter" is a figure of speech. You think I could actually follow through with that and actually MEAN that?

You threatened them with inspecific bodily injury "If I ever see you in person (God FORBID it) I'll... I'd rather not be charged with threat of bodily injury, and get thrown out." Basically, you said, "I'll injure you if I see you, but let's pretend I didn't say that."

And the whole purpose of this thread is what?

I would honestly like to know the goal in mind? What does this purpose to accomplish? What are the ends of this means?

And the whole purpose of this thread is what?

To report you for flaiming and threatening another poster. I thought that was clear. It's a regular use of this forum.

To report you for flaiming and threatening another poster. I thought that was clear. It's a regular use of this forum.

That's it?

And the whole purpose of this thread is what?

I would honestly like to know the goal in mind? What does this purpose to accomplish? What are the ends of this means?
Presumably to report your forum rule violations relating to flaming, and obtain a Moderator instruction for you to knock it off. Which you are currently receiving.

Presumably to report your forum rule violations relating to flaming, and obtain a Moderator instruction for you to knock it off. Which you are currently receiving.

I've been in other debates where Jocabia was present. I'm normally mild, and do not go off like that.

And I still don't recognize I've done anything wrong. I was mad- I had every right to be. I will try to keep my "flaming" to a minimum. But... never mind, it'd take too long.

I was mad- I had every right to be.
You are entitled to your feelings, but you are obliged to regulate their expression. That is all we request.

You are entitled to your feelings, but you are obliged to regulate their expression. That is all we request.

Fine. (though I must admit, this whole conundrum hasn't made me any happier... more along the lines of significantly peeved, but nontheless) I will oblige.