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Flamebait possibly?

Psychotic Mongooses
07-07-2006, 13:28
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11312191&postcount=953

Anyway, arab women are goats compared to Israeli women.

Gee, I don't know what this covers but its sure not going to go down well considering the other poster is an Arab.

I don't know. :confused:
Katganistan
07-07-2006, 13:53
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11312276&postcount=955
Psychotic Mongooses
07-07-2006, 13:54
:fluffle: :fluffle: :fluffle:
The Atlantian islands
07-07-2006, 14:41
A little cross ethnic fun....I wasnt flamebaiting....It was just another aspect of the Israeli-Arab conflict...comparing whos women are more attractive.

Anyway, he was the first to go along with my recomendation and post pictures of ugly Israelis and 'hot' arabs....so I find it interesting that your reported me.....hidden agenda anyone?
The Atlantian islands
07-07-2006, 14:45
You know, Kat....in the other thread you said this: Could we all perhaps be a little less sensitive? I've been seeing an increase in the Moderation forum of threads reporting things which are so slight and minor that they really need not be reported from a variety of new nations.

I thought it was very well said and think it should be applied to this. Since when is comparing ones ethnicites women to anothers 'flamebait'....this is just an uber-sensative poster going to cry to the mods...I hardly think its an actual infraction of the rules and needs a mods ruling. Thats just my opinion though.:)
Katganistan
07-07-2006, 15:44
I think that since you were both unofficially called out for being immature and flamebaiting, since you both were making aspersions about the other's ethnicities, your appearance here shows a certain bias. There is a world of difference between calling an opinion ignorant and calling an entire ethnicities' women ugly or animal like, and trying to use that ruling where it does not apply is rather disingenuous.

Given the thread is about the Arab-Israeli conflict, did you not think that posting such would be considered, "not a good plan"?
The Atlantian islands
07-07-2006, 15:56
I think that since you were both unofficially called out for being immature and flamebaiting, since you both were making aspersions about the other's ethnicities, your appearance here shows a certain bias. There is a world of difference between calling an opinion ignorant and calling an entire ethnicities' women ugly or animal like, and trying to use that ruling where it does not apply is rather disingenuous.

Given the thread is about the Arab-Israeli conflict, did you not think that posting such would be considered, "not a good plan"?

First of all...Israeli isnt my ethnicity. Second of all I thought it would be funny, which it did turn out. I thought it was funny, as did various other posters who included in it such as Zilam and Neu Leonstein...and Arab Democratic States who I was...'flamebaiting'. Again, this is just a case of people being too sensative...if I was actually flaming arabs dont you think the certain person who I was flaming (arab democratic) would have reported me or even been insulted? No..he went along with the joke. In fact, it seems the only one who did take it seriously and went so low as to report it was Mongooses.

Again, I think you are making a mistake and seeing a flame where there is, in fact, just a joke that both sides participated in.
Erastide
07-07-2006, 16:08
First of all...Israeli isnt my ethnicity. Second of all I thought it would be funny, which it did turn out. I thought it was funny, as did various other posters who included in it such as Zilam and Neu Leonstein...and Arab Democratic States who I was...'flamebaiting'. Again, this is just a case of people being too sensative...if I was actually flaming arabs dont you think the certain person who I was flaming (arab democratic) would have reported me or even been insulted? No..he went along with the joke. In fact, it seems the only one who did take it seriously and went so low as to report it was Mongooses.

Again, I think you are making a mistake and seeing a flame where there is, in fact, just a joke that both sides participated in.
First off, I'd like to remind you that noone was officially warned, no notations were made on records, nothing. You were simply told to "Knock it Off".

Aside from that, whether it was a joke to all participants concerned or not (and given this was reported, obviously not enough of a joke to all), some things are still unacceptable on this site. Katganistan deemed the joke something that should be stopped, and she stepped in to ask you and Arab Democratic States to do so. Take the suggestion and move on.
The Atlantian islands
07-07-2006, 16:15
First off, I'd like to remind you that noone was officially warned, no notations were made on records, nothing. You were simply told to "Knock it Off".

Aside from that, whether it was a joke to all participants concerned or not (and given this was reported, obviously not enough of a joke to all), some things are still unacceptable on this site. Katganistan deemed the joke something that should be stopped, and she stepped in to ask you and Arab Democratic States to do so. Take the suggestion and move on.

Fine. Let me just close this injustice with one thing.

It was enough a joke to all those involved. The one who reported us to the mods is neither Israeli. nor arab and had nothing to do with the joke. He just decided to report us due to his over-sensetivity. Nobody involved had any problems with it.

The mods are here to inforce the rules, we broke none, therefore this shouldnt even be in MODERATION....yet it is, and thats my problem.

Later, I'm out of here.
Katganistan
07-07-2006, 17:04
You're right, we're here to enforce the rules, which is precisely what was done. The problem, as you call it, is that you refuse to recognise that the "joke" is defamatory towards women of Israeli origin and women of Arab origin, and believe that since none of the participants in said joke were offended means it is not offensive. People who make jokes about other ethnicities often are not offended by them, while others around them are. Funny old thing, that.

Those posts could very conceivably come under trolling (Trolling: Posts that are made with the aim of angering people. (like 'ALL JEWS ARE [insert vile comment here]' for example)) in The One Stop Rules Shop . http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=8784641&postcount=3 , for reference.

But hey, we're just being unreasonable, unjust and harassing you. Shame on us. Really.