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I made a silly post today about French Military Victories and in the title heading said soemthing along the lines of (oversimplified but still funny). Tactical Grace decided the topic was old trolling. fair enough. A moderater has the right to close or move any thread and i have no problems with that. However the part i have a problem with is T.G. altered the heading of my title and partially edited it to (old trolling rehash) This edit made it seem like my words, gave no cite nor indication that this change was done by a moderater and were not the ortiginal words of the author. This is quite simply unethical to change my words in any way and make it still appear as my words.

From the Moderation rules forum:

Title Change: Only the thread owner may request a title change for their thread. If you spelled a word wrong in the title, or you just have a better title for it, you may ask the moderators to change it.

I have edited my lock post to make clear that the part of the thread title in brackets is my addition.

The bit in brackets is an accurate and just summary.

Seeing as I locked the thread instead of deleting it, I felt it would be appropriate to make clear that the content was complete rubbish, lest anyone click on the locked thread expecting some good-natured yet inappropriate humour. Consider it reasonable discouragement.

Incorrect you REMOVED words of mine in a title and substituted words of your own in the PLACE of them. True or false? Intentionaly putting words in other peoples mouth shouldnt be your method of "discouragement" To even remotely suggest that any post could or should be altered for any reason without even citing when such a change is made is unethical beyond debate.

Incorrect you REMOVED words of mine in a title and substituted words of your own in the PLACE of them. True or false? Intentionaly putting words in other peoples mouth shouldnt be your method of "discouragement"
You admit to trolling, and then complain that I might have made you look 'bad'?

You admit to trolling, and then complain that I might have made you look 'bad'?

Your looking at this from the wrong direction. An inappropriate post doesnt give the Moderater the right to erase half his post and substitute it with hi i an ass 400 times either. And nowhere did i ever complain of looking bad. My complaint is VERY specific. It is as follows. Tactical Grace as a moderater is using his/her power to directly editorialize a posters content, removed part of the content and overwrote ideas of his own over them without citing doing as such. Nowhere am i concerned about looking bad im concerned that a clear violation of the Moderater rules have been breached.

Your looking at this from the wrong direction. An inappropriate post doesnt give the Moderater the right to erase half his post and substitute it with hi i an ass 400 times either. And nowhere did i ever complain of looking bad. My complaint is VERY specific. It is as follows. Tactical Grace as a moderater is using his/her power to directly editorialize a posters content, removed part of the content and overwrote ideas of his own over them without citing doing as such. Nowhere am i concerned about looking bad im concerned that a clear violation of the Moderater rules have been breached.
You broke a long-established rule, you placed yourself at a disadvantage. You tried to sell your trolling as humour, I showed it for what it was. You will find we have a certain degree of latitude in such matters.

You broke a long-established rule, you placed yourself at a disadvantage. You tried to sell your trolling as humour, I showed it for what it was. You will find we have a certain degree of latitude in such matters.
Gee could you show me where this long established rule is? Im new here so if you could reference me to where that is id much appreciate it. How much lattitude are you given to violating clear and posted rules?

Title Change: Only the thread owner may request a title change for their thread. If you spelled a word wrong in the title, or you just have a better title for it, you may ask the moderators to change it.

Gee could you show me where this long established rule is? Im new here so if you could reference me to where that is id much appreciate it. How much lattitude are you given to violating clear and posted rules?

Title Change: Only the thread owner may request a title change for their thread. If you spelled a word wrong in the title, or you just have a better title for it, you may ask the moderators to change it.
See this bit? It does not deal with who may change titles. It deals with who may request title changes. A thread owner may request a title change for his/her own thread, but for no-one else's. It says nothing about moderators.

Whereas your trolling offense is defined at length in the same sticky.

See this bit? It does not deal with who may change titles. It deals with who may request title changes. A thread owner may request a title change for his/her own thread, but for no-one else's. It says nothing about moderators.

So by inference are you implying that its acceptable and within the rules for a Moderater to edit a posters content in any way shape or form and add new ideas in the original body of work, delete original words and add new content and not cite doing any of it? That simply stuns me that you are attempting to even remotely defend this. Im frankly kind of amazed. if Moderaters could go in and Ninja change any post they felt like with no trail of doing so, the entire integrity of the boards would be lost.

So by inference are you implying that its acceptable and within the rules for a Moderater to edit a posters content in any way shape or form and add new ideas in the original body of work and new content and not cite doing any of it? That simply stuns me that you are attempting to even remotely defend this. Im frankly kind of amazed.
I am amazed you are still trying to bend it into something it isn't. Any shape or form? Add new ideas to the original body of work? Come on! We are talking about xenophobic trolling, and making a note of the fact in the topic after the lock.

You are far from the first new-kid-on-the-block rule-pusher who turns their own offence around into a crusade against alleged mod power abuses. If you don't like the way I handled it, you may request another mod's opinion. But you remain in the wrong.

Thread here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=489269

I have edited my lock post to make clear that the part of the thread title in brackets is my addition.

The bit in brackets is an accurate and just summary.

Seeing as I locked the thread instead of deleting it, I felt it would be appropriate to make clear that the content was complete rubbish, lest anyone click on the locked thread expecting some good-natured yet inappropriate humour. Consider it reasonable discouragement.


He made it clear that came from him. The addition is a service to the NS community so we don't waste valuable time clicking rubbish links. Thank you, TG.

My new excuse when someone calls me on a discussion. The Moderater must have changed it :P

My new excuse when someone calls me on a discussion. The Moderater must have changed it :P
You can't edit a post without a named and timestamped entry visible to all, being made at the bottom. Neither can we. Check.

Last edited by Intestinal fluids : Today at 2:46 PM.
Anyone (mod or author) editing a post leaves behind a record of that edit, so your cases aren't parallel. And yes, we are authorized to remove offensive or other content that breaks the rules.

As for your thread title - titles are visible on both the forums index pages and the nation page. As such, we change them as needed. I don't know exactly what thread or changes are involved (since nobody ever bothered to link), but Tactical Grace is not out-of-bounds with his ability to edit.

Edit: missed TG's link. Utterly correct procedure for a trolling thread. Case closed.

The words that the Moderater removed were (oversimplified but still funny) HARDLY offensive...however the Words put in its place were MUCH more offensive (Old trolling rehash) and substituted those words over my own. What part of (oversimplified but still funny) is deemed offensive and requires editing?

You can't edit a post without a named and timestamped entry visible to all, being made at the bottom. Neither can we. Check.

Does the stamp say what nonoffensive content of mine was removed and what the moderater choose to substitute it for? Checkmate.

Hmmmm, how about a nice big steamin' bowl of let it go?

Fris, along with a "case closed" a lock would be fitting? :p

Try reading the lines in the One Stop Rule Shop that allow a moderator to use his judgement. Nobody claimed they were offensive. The thread was trolling, and it was labelled as such.

Drop this, Intestinal fluids. Your appeal has been heard and rejected. Enough.