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Mod warning...

The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 12:39
Mods, I received this message:

"warned: your personal problems with entities off this forum are NOT to be broadcast here with the hope of getting people to spam in revenge."

Firstly, the website referred to (ebay, laptop, etc) is not MY website, ergo any reference to "personal problems" is a bit redundant. This Blog is simply one doing the rounds.

Secondly, a reference to a site is hardly an act of "revenge", especially where all that was provided was the url of said site, without any instructions as to what to do upon reaching that site, or even a personal opinion regarding the site.

Please get your facts straight in future, or at least stop sending pointless messages.
Katganistan
31-05-2006, 14:54
You were spamming RMBs with something that has nothing to do with Nationstates. We are not going to be used as a base for perpetrating idiocy on other sites, which is clearly what you were going for as you mentioned revenge in your spamlet, so sorry, we got our facts straight.

You need never hear any messages from moderation again if you play by the rules.

And hey, if it's so onerous to be civil and obey the TOS -- don't let the door hit you as you leave.
The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 15:26
"We are not going to be used as a base for perpetrating idiocy on other sites, which is clearly what you were going for as you mentioned revenge in your spamlet, so sorry, we got our facts straight."

This was PART of a description of the content of the site, which you would have realised had you bothered to investigate. The site is something akin to the p-p-p-powerbook site, which also concerned an ebay scammer being found out.

Also, I'm impressed by the speed with which you've responded to my query. I'm also somewhat surprised, as it often takes mods DAYS to remove blatantly racist and/ or homophobic material from both the forums and the proposed UN Resolutions waiting endorsement list. But then you are free to set your own priorities.

Once again, for the hard of thinking, the word "revenge", which appeared with the words "ebay" and "broken laptop" was a description of the content of the site, which is obviously different from an incitement to revenge.

Get your facts straight.
Sinuhue
31-05-2006, 16:55
And hey, if it's so onerous to be civil and obey the TOS -- don't let the door hit you as you leave.
Bears repeating.
The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 17:05
If you don't have anything to say...
HC Eredivisie
31-05-2006, 17:08
You were spamming RMBs with something that has nothing to do with Nationstates.
That might be the primary reason...
The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 17:16
HC Eredivisie;

I think my point has been a little bit lost here...but thanks for at least noticing or drawing attention to this.

I have no problem with being warned for spamming RMBs. The problem is this:

"You were spamming RMBs with something that has nothing to do with Nationstates. We are not going to be used as a base for perpetrating idiocy on other sites, which is clearly what you were going for as you mentioned revenge in your spamlet, so sorry, we got our facts straight."

I was in no way perpetrating, encouraging, or inciting revenge, or indeed anything else. I make the point about other offensive material being left on the NS site by Mods by way of comparison.
Jocabia
31-05-2006, 17:21
Also, I'm impressed by the speed with which you've responded to my query. I'm also somewhat surprised, as it often takes mods DAYS to remove blatantly racist and/ or homophobic material from both the forums and the proposed UN Resolutions waiting endorsement list. But then you are free to set your own priorities.

Mods are not censors. If you feel like the threads or proposals are racist or homophobic, enter them and speak your mind. The mods don't censor material because it's unpopular or not nice.

It's amusing that you aren't even really arguing that you didn't do anything wrong, just ranting against anything you can think of because you don't like that they forced you to follow the rules.

Mom: "Bobby, you're not allowed to go outside after 9."
Bobby: "But you let Jimmy get away with swearing."
Mom: "Let Jimmy and me worry about Jimmy."
Bobby: "But I don't like your dress."
Mom: "Enough. We're done discussing this."
Bobby: "MOM BIAS! MOM BIAS!"
Jocabia
31-05-2006, 17:23
HC Eredivisie;

I think my point has been a little bit lost here...but thanks for at least noticing or drawing attention to this.

I have no problem with being warned for spamming RMBs. The problem is this:

"You were spamming RMBs with something that has nothing to do with Nationstates. We are not going to be used as a base for perpetrating idiocy on other sites, which is clearly what you were going for as you mentioned revenge in your spamlet, so sorry, we got our facts straight."

I was in no way perpetrating, encouraging, or inciting revenge, or indeed anything else. I make the point about other offensive material being left on the NS site by Mods by way of comparison.

Offensive is not the problem. They didn't say what you wrote was offensive. Being offensive (in the way you're using it) is not against the rules. However, using this site as a tool to get other posters to go to other sites for just about any reason other than as a source is generally frowned up. Spamming RMB's is generally frowned upon. Suggesting directly or indirectly that people spam another site is generally frowned upon. You got caught. Take your castor oil is stop whining about how it's unfair because you didn't get away with it.
The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 17:38
Take your castor oil is stop whining about how it's unfair because you didn't get away with it.

"I have no problem with being warned for spamming RMBs." (from my earlier post)

Can I possibly make it any clearer? There are only a few posts in this thread and yet, bless, you can't manage to read them all and follow the logic. Is it your nap time?
The RunnyNose Tribe
31-05-2006, 17:49
Mods are not censors. If you feel like the threads or proposals are racist or homophobic, enter them and speak your mind. The mods don't censor material because it's unpopular or not nice.

Another player posted something offensive!

People get offended at different things, so first make sure it falls into one of the above categories. If it does, please report it to the game moderators using the "Getting Help" page.

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Jocabia
31-05-2006, 18:05
Another player posted something offensive!

People get offended at different things, so first make sure it falls into one of the above categories. If it does, please report it to the game moderators using the "Getting Help" page.

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Yes, but what are the categories, friend? Is one of them racism? Homophobia? No, they require that they violate certain rules, like flaming, flamebaiting or trolling. It's not just a free-for-all to stop anything offensive. There is a thread about kids in Gitmo. Is that offensive to some? Sure. Does it violate site rules? Not in the slightest. You are equivocating and it is a logical fallacy and does not help your argument. There are different kinds of offensive. The kind your evidencing is not against site rules in any way.
Erastide
31-05-2006, 19:08
Another player posted something offensive!

People get offended at different things, so first make sure it falls into one of the above categories. If it does, please report it to the game moderators using the "Getting Help" page.

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If you find something offensive on the site, you report it via the Getting Help page. If it's on the forums, you report it here, in Moderation.

As to your actual point about being warned (which you're drifiting away from) I suggest you wait for a Game Mod to answer your question.
Katganistan
01-06-2006, 02:23
"eBay..broken laptop..revenge..etc

<Insert URL here>"

Are those not the precise words of your spam posts?
Did you not post this message on multiple regions?
Does it have anything to do with Nationstates?

Guess what. I went to the link. Didn't see *any* of your description posted there. What is a reasonable person to think? That you posted it with that intro out of the goodness of your heart?
The RunnyNose Tribe
01-06-2006, 14:58
eBay..broken laptop..revenge..etc

Are those not the precise words of your spam posts?
Did you not post this message on multiple regions?
Does it have anything to do with Nationstates?

Yes.
Yes.
No.

"I have no problem with being warned for spamming RMBs." (from an earlier post)

Guess what. I went to the link. Didn't see *any* of your description posted there. What is a reasonable person to think? That you posted it with that intro out of the goodness of your heart?

Are you sure? The blog was set up by an ebay buyer, who unwittingly bought a broken laptop from an unscrupulous seller (who is now being investigated by the police for other ebay scams), and who retrieved and posted embarrasing information from the hard-drive which the dishonest scammer had been stupid enough to leave undeleted, partly as revenge, and partly to secure a refund.

This is clearly what I was describing. Of course if you want to go around making baseless accusations of incitement to revenge, that's your prerogative as a moderator.
The RunnyNose Tribe
01-06-2006, 15:12
Jocabia:

The FAQs state that "malicious" posts are not allowed. Now if a person states an opinion regarding race or sexuality (or any other potentially sensitive subject), this is simply part of their freedom to express their thoughts. But when a statement implies or incites hatred for a particular group, inevitably based on some Galtonesque eugenics hybrid or some similarly worthless doctrine, I call that malicious, and there have been countless examples of this.
Laerod
01-06-2006, 15:57
Jocabia:

The FAQs state that "malicious" posts are not allowed. Now if a person states an opinion regarding race or sexuality (or any other potentially sensitive subject), this is simply part of their freedom to express their thoughts. But when a statement implies or incites hatred for a particular group, inevitably based on some Galtonesque eugenics hybrid or some similarly worthless doctrine, I call that malicious, and there have been countless examples of this.I'm not sure about the bolded one. I doubt you can get anyone incriminated here based on mere implications.
Jocabia
01-06-2006, 16:14
Jocabia:

The FAQs state that "malicious" posts are not allowed. Now if a person states an opinion regarding race or sexuality (or any other potentially sensitive subject), this is simply part of their freedom to express their thoughts. But when a statement implies or incites hatred for a particular group, inevitably based on some Galtonesque eugenics hybrid or some similarly worthless doctrine, I call that malicious, and there have been countless examples of this.

Do you generally take things out of context or avoid clarification? There rules are explained more clearly in the OSRS. Malicious is a judgement call by the mods and they have ruled on this subject many times. They avoid censorship. They are very quick to stop personal attacks. Less quick to stop more generalized 'attacks'.

What YOU call malicious matters not, grasshopper. Who do you think you're going to compell with this argument? Me? I know you ignored all the available information the mods spent much time creating so you could better understand the rules. The mods? Same. Other posters in moderation? Most of the people who lurk in moderation are well aware of the mod position on censorship.

Their general rule is they would rather let the many reasonable posters educate people and have those views get a bright light shine on them and falter than let them prosper in the dark places. Do a search and you will find they do so often. They generally only stop it if it is trolling, and it generally has to be fairly clear trolling, or if it's flamebaiting and your claims of what is malicious does not fall under either of those categories.

Seriously, you seem set on pretending like something is against the rules when it isn't and then complaining because they don't do anything about it but did stop you for doing something that IS against the rules. It's nonsensical. Racism, in and of itself, is not against the rules. It's not. You claiming it is, even if you wish it is REALLY HARD, isn't going to make it so.