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This is from Kahta, a friend of mine in RL, who at one time used my email account to register for this game. I can confirm that he is no longer a racist in real life, as he was when I first talked to him at the beginning of the school year. He would like to return to NS and have the ban or DOS rescinded so that he once again may return to NS, as Sam 3.0. (1.0 was the liberal I never knew, 2.0 was the mistake, 3.0 is perfect) You may confirm this on your own by talking to him on MSN, pyrobzkt@hotmail.com, or AIM tehleetuberhaxor.


To Whom it may concern.

I am sorry for everything I said on this game that was offensive. I was wrong and had been heavily influenced by the racist and fascist members of the game, and I have since realized that listening to them was one of the biggest mistakes I ever made. The path they are going down is one filled with hate, and in the future, a prison cell shared with a black inmate named bubba.:D All I ask is your forgiveness for the problems and/or stress I may have caused for you in the past. The road to Racism was a mistake that I made, that I will never forgive myself for making.

Signed,
Sam

Posting on behalf of a banned poster is a bannable and deletable offence, IIRC. Doing it in the Moderation forum is not the most prudent thing to do.

Neither is repeating it. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482092)

What F.A. says is true. Whatever memories you may have of Sam (Kahta), disregard them. He has done a lot - and I mean a lot - of changing since then. I think NS would be a lot better were he allowed to return, if not as Kahta, then at least as a new nation. He deserves a chance.

He deserves a chance.

From what I remember, he got plenty of chances. He squandered them all. I hope the mods do not make the mistake of allowing that to happen again.

Posting on behalf of a banned poster is a bannable and deletable offence, IIRC. Doing it in the Moderation forum is not the most prudent thing to do.

Neither is repeating it. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=482092)

I was unaware for certain that he was banned, he said he might be DOS or banned, or might not be. I apologize for any rule violations, I was simply relaying a message he wanted me to post.

I was unaware for certain that he was banned, he said he might be DOS or banned, or might not be. I apologize for any rule violations, I was simply relaying a message he wanted me to post.

Ignorance of the rules has never been an excuse, and if he were not banned, he would not need a proxy such as yourself to post for him, so allow us to doubt your ignorance this time.

From what I remember, he got plenty of chances. He squandered them all. I hope the mods do not make the mistake of allowing that to happen again.

He has changed, he has turned 180 degrees since last september when his parents found out what he was posting on a game sovereign something and then looked at his chat transcripts from MSN and AIM which his computer saved.

Ignorance of the rules has never been an excuse, and if he were not banned, he would not need a proxy such as yourself to post for him, so allow us to doubt your ignorance this time.

He did not wish to violate the rules by inquiring about his status here, and asked me to do so.

From what I remember, he got plenty of chances. He squandered them all. I hope the mods do not make the mistake of allowing that to happen again.

Why? He's now more respectful than most current NSers are.

If Khata comes back, a hell of a lot more unpleasant creatures would demand the same right. And I don't want to see that; I heard enough horror stories about General with people like MKUltra and Japaica...

Why? He's now more respectful than most current NSers are.

He got banned. In fact, he got DOS'ed. He ain't coming back.

He has changed

Not the first one to claim so, and hopefully not the first one to get away with it.

Kahta has changed, Fass. Perhaps you ought to talk to him and find out for yourself, rather than remaining so ignorant to the facts?

He is no longer CM/DA/VE's sidekick, either. If you were to talk to him, you'd swear he wasn't the same person.

Not the first one to claim so, and hopefully not the first one to get away with it.

Again, it's a bit callous to make judgments about people until you've spoken to them. Really, you should- he's not the player that was banned more than a year ago, he's a decent and normal person now.

Again, it's a bit callous to make judgments about people until you've spoken to them. Really, you should- he's not the player that was banned more than a year ago, he's a decent and normal person now.

And? That's all well and nice, but he got banned and DOS'ed. Forum rules. He ain't coming back.


Look, imagine if Kahta came back. Imagine the far worse scumbags who would have to be let back in as well. You really want to have Japaica/MKUltra and god knows who else loose on these forums again?

And? That's all well and nice, but he got banned and DOS'ed. Forum rules. He ain't coming back.


Look, imagine if Kahta came back. Imagine the far worse scumbags who would have to be let back in as well. You really want to have Japaica/MKUltra and god knows who else loose on these forums again?

Sam says "I never told anyone threatening suicide to come to my house and have sex with me beforehand."

Kahta has changed, Fass.

I simply don't trust or him, or you. I'm hoping the mods have such clarity.

Perhaps you ought to talk to him and find out for yourself, rather than remaining so ignorant to the facts?

I heard all I needed from that person, and think that "I'm sorry, I have changed, honest I have, see, I've fool... I mean, convinced all these people and gotten them to break the rules... I mean, plead my case for me!" just doesn't cut it.

Sam says "I never told anyone threatening suicide to come to my house and have sex with me beforehand."

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What?

Sam says "I never told anyone threatening suicide to come to my house and have sex with me beforehand."

Posting on his behalf for a third time, and now that you do not even have claimed ignorance as an excuse, remains a not so advisable thing to do.

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What?


He said that is why Japiaca was banned, it was in the NS wiki he said.

Posting on his behalf for a third time, and now that you do not even have claimed ignorance as an excuse, remains a not so advisable thing to do.

What is so inherently wrong, I might ask, with speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves?

Tell your friend to email admin@nationstates.net

The rest, stop playing mod ;)

What is so inherently wrong, I might ask, with speaking for those who cannot speak for themselves?

They forfeited their privilege to speak here through their actions. That's why it's against the rules to relay their messages - once you're banned, you are no longer allowed to speak here, not even by proxy. That's the whole point of being banned.

IMO, the proxy should be punished. If Kahta wants to talk to the mods, he can do so himself through "Getting Help," or e-mail, or irc. Plenty of ways to contact them without violating the ban.

They forfeited their privilege to speak here through their actions. That's why it's against the rules to relay their messages - once you're banned, you are no longer allowed to speak here, not even by proxy. That's the whole point of being banned. And the proxy should be punished.

It should not be against the rules to do that simply because it is not violating any principle really- what harm is there in spreading a message so innocent as one of apology and remorse for prior actions? Essentially, what you want to do is to prevent people from apologising for what they did and want guilt to remain permanent- in my world, at least, people should be able to express their remorse if they so choose. Guilt need not remain permanent.

It should not be against the rules to do that simply because it is not violating any principle really

It is. It is undermining the entire point and principle of being banned.

- what harm is there in spreading a message so innocent as one of apology and remorse for prior actions? Essentially, what you want to do is to prevent people from apologising for what they did and want guilt to remain permanent- in my world, at least, people should be able to express their remorse if they so choose. Guilt need not remain permanent.

When DOS'ed, guilt is made permanent. Again, the whole point of Delete On Sight. One does not get DOS'ed easily - it takes quite the effort to earn that sort of reprimand - and once one is, I do seriously hope that an insincere "I'm sorry" will not efface what was done. Also, he has many venues to apologise to the mods without once again breaking the rules and/or getting someone else to break them for him.

It should not be against the rules to do that simply because it is not violating any principle really- what harm is there in spreading a message so innocent as one of apology and remorse for prior actions? Essentially, what you want to do is to prevent people from apologising for what they did and want guilt to remain permanent- in my world, at least, people should be able to express their remorse if they so choose. Guilt need not remain permanent.
The way to handle it, then, is to inquire via admin@nationstates.net, not to break the rules by getting someone to post for you in the forums. If anything, the continued violation of the rules shows a lack of respect for the system.

The way to handle it, then, is to inquire via admin@nationstates.net, not to break the rules by getting someone to post for you in the forums. If anything, the continued violation of the rules shows a lack of respect for the system.

Precisely. How committed is one to obeying the rules, as one claims, when one is ready to break them like this? He "did not wish to violate the rules by inquiring about his status here," so got someone else to do it. Nice.

It's possible that he didn't realize what the proper protocol was when he asked his friend to post on his behalf.

It's also possible that he did it to try to drum up sympathy.

The way to handle it, then, is to inquire via admin@nationstates.net, not to break the rules by getting someone to post for you in the forums. If anything, the continued violation of the rules shows a lack of respect for the system.
Let's end this now.

The proper way to make an appeal is via a Getting Help request (http://www.nationstates.net/page=help), not via the admin email. This is clearly explained in the One Stop Rules Shop.

As for the case at hand, I'm glad for Sam's sake that he has had a turnabout in his attitude, but I doubt seriously we'll entertain notions of inviting him back to the site. He burned his bridges pretty thoroughly, however mistaken he might have been, and we're not likely to take the chance that this is a feigned recovery.

If he wants to post an appeal, he can do so without creating a nation or logging in. It's best to do it directly and not by proxy. As for this thread, it's closed.