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double standard

Whittier---
11-05-2006, 00:46
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479999

I created a thread with the exact same topic a couple of weeks ago. It was reported as spam and moved to spam.
Dobbsworld
11-05-2006, 01:14
Well, considering this threads' been actively kicking around for twelve days I'd've thought you'd've been complaining for some time now.
Whittier---
11-05-2006, 01:29
I just now saw it.
Katganistan
11-05-2006, 02:12
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=479999

I created a thread with the exact same topic a couple of weeks ago. It was reported as spam and moved to spam.


Really? You were a cheerleader?
Steel Butterfly
11-05-2006, 09:27
Really? You were a cheerleader?

Heh...I believe he meant "topic" as in "concept"...not "title"
Dread Lady Nathicana
11-05-2006, 17:55
I just now saw it.

Well, now the mods have 'just now saw it' too. Amazing how some folks love to leap on the 'double standard' or 'unfairness' bandwagon (especially those who've often run afoul of the system it seems), without allowing for the very well-documented and heavily-posted-upon fact that *gasp of shock* the mods cannot possibly be everywhere at once, and hey - that's what this forum is for. Bringing problems to their attention, or at least inquiring as to whether or not it even is a problem.

I'd like to say this sort of thing never gets old, but ... yeah.
Whittier---
11-05-2006, 20:24
Well, now the mods have 'just now saw it' too. Amazing how some folks love to leap on the 'double standard' or 'unfairness' bandwagon (especially those who've often run afoul of the system it seems), without allowing for the very well-documented and heavily-posted-upon fact that *gasp of shock* the mods cannot possibly be everywhere at once, and hey - that's what this forum is for. Bringing problems to their attention, or at least inquiring as to whether or not it even is a problem.

I'd like to say this sort of thing never gets old, but ... yeah.
each of those occasions involved the then moderators employing a double standard against American conservatives such as myself while favoring American bashing liberals. That is a fact. Just ask the American conservatives on this forum who have been forum banned, deated, or DOSed by the mods for stuff that the liberals in General are often allowed to get away with.

Good people like Guffingford, Khata, Aaronthepissedoff, Eutrusca (not banned or anything but certainly threatened with it) and other American conservatives.

Edit: And you will note that each time time I've had to deal with the mods, I've taken them to task for the the double standard application of the rules. In each case I have been consistent. With the mods always dismissing my concerns as "warrantless".

My judgment of the majority of generalites and anti Bush America bashers who support terrorism is based on the posts of those same generalites.

You don't believe me? Go back to all the threads where I've been forum banned or deleted. You will find that I make the same complaint: that the rules were being enforced inconsistently and only against pro American conservatives such as myself.
Tactical Grace
11-05-2006, 20:33
Most of the Moderators are American. Right now I can only think of two who aren't.

Damn. Did I say something which doesn't fit in with your beliefs? (http://www.doonesbury.com/strip/dailydose/index.html?uc_full_date=20060305)
Skinny87
11-05-2006, 20:38
each of those occasions involved the then moderators employing a double standard against American conservatives such as myself while favoring American bashing liberals. That is a fact. Just ask the American conservatives on this forum who have been forum banned, deated, or DOSed by the mods for stuff that the liberals in General are often allowed to get away with.

Good people like Guffingford, Khata, Aaronthepissedoff, Eutrusca (not banned or anything but certainly threatened with it) and other American conservatives.

Edit: And you will note that each time time I've had to deal with the mods, I've taken them to task for the the double standard application of the rules. In each case I have been consistent. With the mods always dismissing my concerns as "warrantless".

My judgment of the majority of generalites and anti Bush America bashers who support terrorism is based on the posts of those same generalites.

You don't believe me? Go back to all the threads where I've been forum banned or deleted. You will find that I make the same complaint: that the rules were being enforced inconsistently and only against pro American conservatives such as myself.

Ye gods man. I lost count of the number of insults/slurs and vagueities in that post. Got a victim complex much? I dare you to find me one poster who actively supports terrorism. There are god knows how many instances of 'Liberals' being banned, warned etc. Also, the Mods cover a range of views and political spectrums, so how you manage to get this is beyond me.

Also, Guffingford was deleted for a banned link I believe, and was hardly a conservative. Kahta was an annoying little racist troll, as was Aaronthepissedoff. Hardly grounds for complaints of bias really.
Hilrasia
11-05-2006, 20:50
anti Bush America bashers who support terrorism

Watch your word choice. That did not sound very smart. If you are so against "Bush Bashers," then maybe you should refrain from the bashing technique yourslef. Also, I think some people believe that there is a different way to fight terrorism than to invade a country.
Tactical Grace
11-05-2006, 21:09
I'm sorry, I just had to go and count.

Moderators/Admin (current): 18
US: 10
UK: 2
Don't know: 6 (Most probably US)

Bias. OMFG. One-eleven.
Fass
11-05-2006, 21:23
I'm sorry, I just had to go and count.

Moderators/Admin (current): 18
US: 10
UK: 2
Don't know: 6 (Most probably US)

Bias. OMFG. One-eleven.

Well, it would be nice if you chose someone who isn't from an English-speaking country...
Great Void
11-05-2006, 22:02
Well, it would be nice if you chose someone who isn't from an English-speaking country...
Do you have somebody specific in mind, by any chance?
Tactical Grace
11-05-2006, 22:47
Well, it would be nice if you chose someone who isn't from an English-speaking country...
If there is ever a suitable candidate (or should I say willing victim?) I am sure Rep would be happy to give them the customary hint over a glass of sherry.*

;)

* Oxbridge reference. Not sure how this is done in the US.
IL Ruffino
11-05-2006, 23:15
M-m-may I post here?

*twitches*

Whittier---, I remember you posted the list, but nothing else.. the new thread has a question that makes it.. make sense.

And Fass, a mod? Since Fassy McYumbabe has never reported any of my threads in here.. that I can remember, let it be Fass noted in thy NS Bible!

.. or not.. not like it would affect me..

*hands Fass the keys to a Porsche*

*wink*
Jocabia
11-05-2006, 23:17
Good people like Guffingford, Khata, Aaronthepissedoff, Eutrusca (not banned or anything but certainly threatened with it) and other American conservatives.

Ha. Amusing. Let's see.

One was for a banned link. BIAS, ye gods!

One was just on here today admitting that he was over-the-top and deserved it. Ye gods!

One was about the clearest trolls that ever existed (also the reason that several of our illustrious liberal friends are their third or fourth incarnation).

And one is a guy who I happen to like a lot, but is known to completely blow his cool and just start calling people names or whatnot and, of course, none of his punishments have had anything to do with what he was talking about.

Your examples are classic. Can you give some examples of some posters who just came on here and respectfully presented the conservative talking points who got unjustly deleted? There should be some since if they want to silence an idea the more reasonable posters are far more dangerous.
Jocabia
11-05-2006, 23:25
If there is ever a suitable candidate (or should I say willing victim?) I am sure Rep would be happy to give them the customary hint over a glass of sherry.*

;)

* Oxbridge reference. Not sure how this is done in the US.

Can I just have the glass of Sherry?
Fass
11-05-2006, 23:52
Do you have somebody specific in mind, by any chance?

Alas, she no longer frequents these forums.
Fass
11-05-2006, 23:55
And Fass, a mod?

Someone once accused me of wanting to be a mod, and in order to prove that I did not want to be one, I requested to be made a mod,.as the fastest way to ensure one never becomes one is by asking to be one, if you follow me. So, no.
IL Ruffino
12-05-2006, 00:28
Someone once accused me of wanting to be a mod, and in order to prove that I did not want to be one, I requested to be made a mod,.as the fastest way to ensure one never becomes one is by asking to be one, if you follow me. So, no.
Hehe, keep the Porsche.
Dobbsworld
12-05-2006, 01:55
Good people like Guffingford, Khata, Aaronthepissedoff, Eutrusca (not banned or anything but certainly threatened with it) and other American conservatives.

Dude, my original nation got DEATed after three or four violations of the rules, a couple of which I thought were tenuous at best - while Eutrusca, who featured prominently in the incidents leading to my original nation's DEATing, gets pass-card after pass-card after pass-card.

Wanna talk double standard? Your "good person" Eutrusca should've been DEATed two years ago, at least. But you don't see me getting all bent out of shape over it, or at least not to any great extent. You certainly don't see me whingeing in Moderation over this glaring inequity, though you will see me here, continuing to defend myself time and again against baseless attempts on the part of your "good person" Eutrusca, to have my current nation banned from NS.

Get a grip, mister persecution complex. You and your cronies aren't half as "good" as you make them out to be.
Heikoku
12-05-2006, 02:17
Dude, my original nation got DEATed after three or four violations of the rules, a couple of which I thought were tenuous at best - while Eutrusca, who featured prominently in the incidents leading to my original nation's DEATing, gets pass-card after pass-card after pass-card.

Wanna talk double standard? Your "good person" Eutrusca should've been DEATed two years ago, at least. But you don't see me getting all bent out of shape over it, or at least not to any great extent. You certainly don't see me whingeing in Moderation over this glaring inequity, though you will see me here, continuing to defend myself time and again against baseless attempts on the part of your "good person" Eutrusca, to have my current nation banned from NS.

Get a grip, mister persecution complex. You and your cronies aren't half as "good" as you make them out to be.

You didn't know? Only conservatives count, and, if you disagree with them, you're an evil USA-hater. :rolleyes:

Quite frankly, Whittier, you flame ANYONE that dares to disagree with you, and I mean ANYONE.
Dread Lady Nathicana
12-05-2006, 05:09
In response to Whittier:

Interesting list and qualifications you do have there, boyo. Speaks volumes, that does.

I think what you're missing is that people who tend to get in trouble aren't from any one politically-aligned group, though they do have something in common -- one and all, they've never learned how to present their point of view in a manner that allows them to both speak their mind AND not break the rules or guidelines of the forums.

When one loses their perspective enough in getting too caught up in a martyr complex or some misguided 'crusade against Da Man', I can understand how it can be difficult to hold onto any objectivity.

I've seen your posts, and a good many of the threads and incidents leading up to a good many of the bans and slaps on the wrists here over the years. And while I may not have always agreed with all the rulings, I will say this - I've never seen a pattern of 'persecution' within moderation, unless you want to say that dealing with rampant idiocy cat-quick and with understandably little patience is somehow 'picking on people'.

And one other thing - in spite of what you may seem to think, one does not have to be 'pro Bush' or anything else to be a proud American. Last I checked, we all have the right to our own opinions, and whether or not you're in agreement with the current Commander in Chief was not a measure of whether or not you 'support terrorism'.

Perhaps if you spent more effort on expressing yourself in a less inflammatory manner, learned to use less fallacies in your arguments, and focused on the facts rather than overdramatized appeals to emotions, your experience on the forums would not be the apparently unpleasant one it seems to have been thus far.

It's a funny thing about any given situation we find ourselves in, or choose to involve ourselves with, after all - the one constant is always ourselves. Possibly some lesson to be gleaned there I suppose, so long as one's learning curve isn't just laying flat on its back.
GMC Military Arms
12-05-2006, 05:15
Shut up, Whittier.