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In http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804 , Whittier has made repeated claims that I'm a "socialist" in an attempt to flame me and/or to have others attack me in the thread. I tried being polite to him at first, but he kept on (which is, incidentally, why I insulted him after much harassing). He did not stop, he keeps on insulting me and anyone that disagrees with him, and I got banned once for a behavior that was much less virulent than his is. ( http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=38 )

He's defended overthrowing elected legitimate governments, he's even claimed that the universities are "too liberal". And he keeps on calling me a socialist, up to today, when I challenged him to prove I'm a socialist or shut up. Something needs to be done.

Him calling you a "socialist" is too mild to be a flame.


Now if he called you something like "Asshole", "fucktard", or "shithead" then i would say it is reportable. But this is extremely mild.

What is the name of his current nation, anyway?

If he actually breaks the rules, please report it, linking to specific instances.

Him calling you a "socialist" is too mild to be a flame.

Even when, as is the case, it is obviously meant as a way to discredit me and make me look bad?

It's still not against the rules.

I don't think what he posted was offensive. He didn't curse at you or call you bad names.
Could You put in the link where he talked offensively towards you. All I see is Generalities.

Very well, but, then, calling him a fascist wouldn't be a flame either. (Not claiming I will or not do that).

What is the name of his current nation, anyway?


Long ago it was 'Whittier', but when he got deleted(at 3 billion or so) he created 'Whittier-' which, if i'm not mistaken, got deleted to(twice for his behaviour) then he created 'Whittier--' . Seems that one got deleted too, so now he's posting with 'Whittier---' I wonder how long he's gonna keep that one alive.

Long ago it was 'Whittier', but when he got deleted(at 3 billion or so) he created 'Whittier-' which, if i'm not mistaken, got deleted to(twice for his behaviour) then he created 'Whittier--' . Seems that one got deleted too, so now he's posting with 'Whittier---' I wonder how long he's gonna keep that one alive.

The name of his current nation is Socialist Whitter.


Very well, but, then, calling him a fascist wouldn't be a flame either. (Not claiming I will or not do that).

Nope, it wouldn't be considered a flame.


I don't think what he posted was offensive. He didn't curse at you or call you bad names.
Could You put in the link where he talked offensively towards you. All I see is Generalities.

There was no specific post. He was just being called a "socialist". Nothing else.

What is the name of his current nation, anyway?

If he actually breaks the rules, please report it, linking to specific instances.

He has several and I believe he is posting with more than on in that thread (though I don't have the means you all do to recognize puppets). I recognize Socialist Whittier, Whittier--- and Norse Country. There may be more. He does seem to be baiting Heikoku a bit. I would point out that it has gone both ways however, You suggested Heikoku calm down and he has, but it's reasonable to suspect that perhaps he escalated the situation by calling Whittier a moron, among other things.

The name of his current nation is Socialist Whitter.

The word 'contradictio interminis' comes to mind, I didnt know he had a Socialist Whittier too. I do know he often got(gets?) in trouble for flaming against people who are left/liberal or have left/liberal idea's and opinions.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=20

1. Are you going to blame your anti americanism on the propaganda spewed by your universities and your political party then?

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=25
No, I don't care for violent communist revolutions as you trying to say the US needs. For all your talk of democracy, you sound more like a communist.

Like I give a rat's ass what some communist anti american revolutionary thinks of me. (and) you are so anti american


In some instances, he was using Norse Country, Socialist Whittier and others, which he admitted being clones.

As per:
If I wasn't having such a hard time with the forum and my connection, I wouldn't have to use puppets to post. But I understand the mods or the admin or whoever it is, is already working on that problem.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=29
You came in, bashed the US military and tried to turn it into a socialist bash America thread.

YOU came here to push your "the American military is all evil" agenda. (...) If you want to espouse your view that the US military is evil, start your own damn thread. Don't push that gutter crap here. You are being very disrespectful of those who have lost loved ones in Iraq and Afghanistan. All you've done here is bash the American military and the US itself. Since you can't get the point I'll just have to come right out and be blunt and rude about it: SHOW SOME FUCKING RESPECT!!!

He has several and I believe he is posting with more than on in that thread (though I don't have the means you all do to recognize puppets). I recognize Socialist Whittier, Whittier--- and Norse Country. There may be more. He does seem to be baiting Heikoku a bit. I would point out that it has gone both ways however, You suggested Heikoku calm down and he has, but it's reasonable to suspect that perhaps he escalated the situation by calling Whittier a moron, among other things.

Things for which I spent 3 days banned from the forum, and Whittier is yet to spend one.

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Things for which I spent 3 days banned from the forum, and Whittier is yet to spend one.

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I was just giving the information. Your actions don't excuse his if they break the rules. I was just citing them as a reason for some of the escalation. It's precisely the reason why it is so important for us as users to watch how we talk to one another. If we did so many of us wouldn't end up on forced vacations. Whittier is a bit of a special example, but in most cases the easiest way to avoid feeling abused (some abuse isn't really against the site rules) is to avoid being abusive.

I was just giving the information. Your actions don't excuse his if they break the rules. I was just citing them as a reason for some of the escalation. It's precisely the reason why it is so important for us as users to watch how we talk to one another. If we did so many of us wouldn't end up on forced vacations. Whittier is a bit of a special example, but in most cases the easiest way to avoid feeling abused (some abuse isn't really against the site rules) is to avoid being abusive.

I know, I was making a point through your post. And, as you pointed out, Whittier is a "special example". For the fact that threads with him begin as respectful until he decides to hurl accusations that reek of McCarthyism at everyone in sight, quod erat demonstrandum my case.

? What? This is new to me. ????:confused:

Nation name is Union of Socialist Republics of Whittier. And there's Socialist Whittier.

I used to consider myself a socialist.
No I would not find it offensive if you wanted to call me fascist. I don't think you should be offended that I call you socialist.

If I called you one of those other things, which everyone who has been around for awhile knows I used to do, you would have a point. But I've been trying really hard not to do that.


Whittier-- was not deated for something I did in general. It was a rule I violated that I was not aware of. After it was explained, I just accepted it and moved on. There was a thread here in moderation on it where GMC was explaining to me what happened. Cause I didn't understand what was going on. So I just made a new nation, cause nothing was said about DOS, though I was actually worried about that.

The puppets, if you notice I've been using only that one nation lately. The reason for the earlier posts was that for whatever reason, the forum would not let my main posting nation on. Then when I would use another it stopped letting that one in. I checked the technical forum and saw they were already working on the problem because I was not the only having it. Looks like they fixed it whatever it was.

I've gotten forum banned for a lot worse than what you are complaining about.


I saw that you called me a moron but I ignored it. Yet I say you are socialist and you crying murder?


:confused:

? What? This is new to me. ????:confused:

Nation name is Union of Socialist Republics of Whittier. And there's Socialist Whittier.

I used to consider myself a socialist.
No I would not find it offensive if you wanted to call me fascist. I don't think you should be offended that I call you socialist.

If I called you one of those other things, which everyone who has been around for awhile knows I used to do, you would have a point. But I've been trying really hard not to do that.


Whittier-- was not deated for something I did in general. It was a rule I violated that I was not aware of. After it was explained, I just accepted it and moved on. There was a thread here in moderation on it where GMC was explaining to me what happened. Cause I didn't understand what was going on. So I just made a new nation, cause nothing was said about DOS, though I was actually worried about that.

The puppets, if you notice I've been using only that one nation lately. The reason for the earlier posts was that for whatever reason, the forum would not let my main posting nation on. Then when I would use another it stopped letting that one in. I checked the technical forum and saw they were already working on the problem because I was not the only having it. Looks like they fixed it whatever it was.

I've gotten forum banned for a lot worse than what you are complaining about.


I saw that you called me a moron but I ignored it. Yet I say you are socialist and you crying murder?


:confused:

1- I reacted to your accusations.
2- You also called me anti-American, and made other claims that were supposed to turn people against me, and you know it.
3- I got punished for calling you a moron, didn't I? Now it's your turn to be punished for starting this whole fight in the first place by claiming that I, a PACIFIST, advocate a violent socialist revolution.

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=40 (Today)

I believe your response was that you don't have to visit America to be an expert on it cause you got all your socialist propaganda down there that you read that never ever lies to you.

That's how hard you're trying to stop calling me a socialist, Whit. Real nice.

1- I reacted to your accusations.
2- You also called me anti-American, and made other claims that were supposed to turn people against me, and you know it.
3- I got punished for calling you a moron, didn't I? Now it's your turn to be punished for starting this whole fight in the first place by claiming that I, a PACIFIST, advocate a violent socialist revolution.

Edit:

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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=475804&page=40 (Today)



That's how hard you're trying to stop calling me a socialist, Whit. Real nice.

I recommend you drop it and let the mods make a decision. I don't believe you can help your case by continuing to bicker with Whittier. I don't believe he is helping his case either.

I recommend you drop it and let the mods make a decision. I don't believe you can help your case by continuing to bicker with Whittier. I don't believe he is helping his case either.

Fair enough.

I know, I was making a point through your post. And, as you pointed out, Whittier is a "special example". For the fact that threads with him begin as respectful until he decides to hurl accusations that reek of McCarthyism at everyone in sight, quod erat demonstrandum my case.
McCarthyism :confused:
You think I'm a McCarthyist?

Whittier, if he insists he is not a socialist, calling him a socialist at every encounter is not exactly helpful. Considering your history, I doubt I would be alone in recommending a DoS order next time you screw up. So tread lightly here. ;)

Heikoku, if you can actually demonstrate a consistent pattern of harassment, and I'm talking a couple of dozen links dated from this point onwards, then I would be interested. As things stand, there is no official action I can take at this point.

Whittier, if he insists he is not a socialist, calling him a socialist at every encounter is not exactly helpful. Considering your history, I doubt I would be alone in recommending a DoS order next time you screw up. So tread lightly here. ;)

Heikoku, if you can actually demonstrate a consistent pattern of harassment, and I'm talking a couple of dozen links dated from this point onwards, then I would be interested. As things stand, there is no official action I can take at this point.

Very well.

Edit: Uhm, what's a DoS? o_O

Very well.

Edit: Uhm, what's a DoS? o_O

Delete on Site and you don't want to ever find out first hand how it works. Suffice it to say, it's bad.

Whittier, if he insists he is not a socialist, calling him a socialist at every encounter is not exactly helpful. Considering your history, I doubt I would be alone in recommending a DoS order next time you screw up. So tread lightly here. ;)

Heikoku, if you can actually demonstrate a consistent pattern of harassment, and I'm talking a couple of dozen links dated from this point onwards, then I would be interested. As things stand, there is no official action I can take at this point.
Will do.
Eh. Are you saying not to call him a socialist anymore? (for clarification).
Anything else I should fix?

Eh. Are you saying not to call him a socialist anymore? (for clarification).
Anything else I should fix?
Yes, I think we can reasonably assume he is not a socialist. :rolleyes:

Just be nice. :fluffle:

Yes, I think we can reasonably assume he is not a socialist. :rolleyes:

Just be nice. :fluffle:
ok