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I just stumbled over this thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=471487

As Sieg Heil is typically Nazi jargon, and nothing in the original post gives a clue that this is one big joke. So this thread is either trolling or fascist. In any case, I suggest to delete it.

"Sieg Heil" isn't "typically Nazi jargon" anymore than the rest of the German language is. It means victory, or more specifically "total victory", and the words themselves were limited to neither the Nazi party nor the German people. I'm not arguing that this thread could be trolling (though I'm not sure how extreme, because the OP both points out their own views and encourages the further discussion of the thread), but I argue that simply because of two German words that people assume the Nazis popularized, that makes it fascist in the least bit.

Nor do we have a policy of deleting fascist discussions. These are forums for a political game. Debate, don't censor.

Simonist']"Sieg Heil" isn't "typically Nazi jargon" anymore than the rest of the German language is. It means victory, or more specifically "total victory", and the words themselves were limited to neither the Nazi party nor the German people. I'm not arguing that this thread could be trolling (though I'm not sure how extreme, because the OP both points out their own views and encourages the further discussion of the thread), but I argue that simply because of two German words that people assume the Nazis popularized, that makes it fascist in the least bit.

My native language is German, so please don't lecture me on the meaning of these words.
Sieg Heil was used by the Nazis to wish each other luck in the war against the jews, the Allies - I'm sure you've been taught all that in history class.

You are right, it is unfair to link two German words to the Nazis, fascists, etc. But that is just the way it is. Or at least the way it is here in central Europe. Maybe in 20 years time, Sieg Heil will have a different meaning, a different connotation, who knows.

Plus, I agree that debate is much better than censorship. Yet I oppose the idea that neonazis, fascists and the lot are getting any space to express their views.

But luckily, the thread has actually turned into a real discussion. So let's just leave it at that.

I think every thing that has to do with the ku,klux,klan,natzis and white and other supremist groups should be banned in the UNITED STATES..
Dont care about the other countries as long as its not here:D

I think every thing that has to do with the ku,klux,klan,natzis and white and other supremist groups should be banned in the UNITED STATES..
Dont care about the other countries as long as its not here:D

Jolt.co.uk <- The servers are not in the US.

Simonist']"Sieg Heil" isn't "typically Nazi jargon" anymore than the rest of the German language is. You are mistaken in that respect.
It means victory, or more specifically "total victory", and the words themselves were limited to neither the Nazi party nor the German people."Hail victory!" actually. The words themselves are limited to people who want to be nazis and people that want to catch attention by using something that shocks normal people (ie nazism)

Yet I oppose the idea that neonazis, fascists and the lot are getting any space to express their views.Thank God you aren't in charge:


Max is well aware of Stormfront and is well aware that their members occationally come to our site.

He's also aware that supression and censorship of ideas is not the way to deal with people like neo-Nazis. Driving them underground simply causes them to use sites like Stormfront as echo chambers with everyone agreeing with everyone else.

By allowing people with... unpleasant... worldviews to post on our forums, he also allows them to have those worldviews directly challanged, debated, and shown to be tattered dellusions.

We have never banned neo-Nazis just because of their political or social beliefs. If they play by the rules, they can believe whatever the hell they want. They can even discuss it on our forums. Granted it's harder to debate a hateful ideology without breaking the rules, but it has been done before. Paratoga comes to mind, for instance.

I speak both English (native) and German (2 years of practice), which means that i have studied German culture. sure, "Siel Heil" are just two german words, but the order they are being used on represents another meaning. It would be like me saying, "White Power." sure, they're just two words, but you know EXACTLY what i mean.

P.S. L'chaim.

As for you No Cream No Sugar, my guess is that you had no one in your family that was ever affected by racism. I had two great grandmas murdered in the Holocaust. So until you actually have experienced racism, you should shut up.

This is not General.

The question has been asked and answered. Thread closed.