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I am the delegate of the region of India. Our founder Kathiawar is dead.

He is usually on vacation mode and logs in at the last day but I dunno what happened this time but Kathiawar is dead.

There are also rumors that our nation is going to be invaded and the environment is getting very mistrustful.

In light of all this and to prevent invasion and griefing etc, I request the mods to make another nation of our region as the founder.

Sincerely
Aryavartha.

Invasions are legal and part of the game, in the past mods have only appointed new founders in very special cases (okay, right after founders were "invented" they were a bit easier on it, but after that period it has rarely happened)

Correct. We don't appoint founders except in extraordinary circumstances.

I am the delegate of the region of India. Our founder Kathiawar is dead.

He is usually on vacation mode and logs in at the last day but I dunno what happened this time but Kathiawar is dead.

There are also rumors that our nation is going to be invaded and the environment is getting very mistrustful.

In light of all this and to prevent invasion and griefing etc, I request the mods to make another nation of our region as the founder.

Sincerely
Aryavartha.
I am not a mod, but I know the mods no longer appoint founders. Start a new region instead.

I am not a mod, but I know the mods no longer appoint founders.
I am a mod, and so is Katganistan, who posted half an hour before you. Why was it necessary for you to post a "not a mod" comment when the question had already been answered by a mod?

Please don't do that. If a mod has given the entire answer, don't post. Period.

I have a question somewhat along these lines actually... if a region has delegate controls turned off, and the founder dies, do delegate controls automatically turn on again or is control of the region lost forever?

And what does the moderation team define as an "extraordinary circumstance" so that a new Founder shall be appointed?

I have a question somewhat along these lines actually... if a region has delegate controls turned off, and the founder dies, do delegate controls automatically turn on again or is control of the region lost forever?

When a foundernation dies, delegate controls go to the delegate. Even better, if the founder is just outside the region, delegate gets regional controls too

And what does the moderation team define as an "extraordinary circumstance" so that a new Founder shall be appointed?

Think they judge that on a case by case basis...

There were big regions that were griefed a couple of times, I believe..
Then there was a big region that got griefed a couple of times, and two factions kept whining for a founder, but from their own faction, so they got a mod founder and no one is happy:p

Correct. We don't appoint founders except in extraordinary circumstances.

Our founder usually manages to resusciate himself at the last minute, but this time I think he is gone for good.

Why should our region be founder less? Would it not be prudent to appoint a new founder because the original founder is not in the game anymore?

Would you consider this request if the majority of our region makes this request?

Thanks for all the replies.

When a foundernation dies, delegate controls go to the delegate. Even better, if the founder is just outside the region, delegate gets regional controls too

Unrelated to this thread but I am curious..

What happens if the delegate also dies? :p

There are plenty of other founderless regions...

If all had founders, the game would cease to be fun for many players who play the invasion game. If your founder notices his nation is dead, he can ask to have it revived throguh the Getting Help Page.

As for if the delegate dies...

The nation with the most endorsements then becomes delegate.
If no one has any endorsements, your region is without delegate.

There are plenty of other founderless regions...

If all had founders, the game would cease to be fun for many players who play the invasion game. If your founder notices his nation is dead, he can ask to have it revived throguh the Getting Help Page.


That sucks.:(

But what about the members of the region? Are their requests to have a founder not to be considered at all?

We considered finding a new nation before, but we liked the name "India" and apparently we cannot have that name too becaus the founder has rights over that name. But the founder is dead and so can't we have the region done with altogether so we can have the name India with a new founder?

We are doomed. :(

Not really, plenty of regions are safe without founders. Just make sure your delegate has a lot of endorsements, for the rest, make contact with defenders, like the region nasicournia, they can give you tips on how to keep your region from being invaded.

That sucks.:(

But what about the members of the region? Are their requests to have a founder not to be considered at all?

We considered finding a new nation before, but we liked the name "India" and apparently we cannot have that name too becaus the founder has rights over that name. But the founder is dead and so can't we have the region done with altogether so we can have the name India with a new founder?

We are doomed. :(

You can all leave India, and wait until it dies. And after it's dead, you just create new region called India. Simple, and beatiful. Region names can be recycled.

You can all leave India, and wait until it dies. And after it's dead, you just create new region called India. Simple, and beatiful. Region names can be recycled.

A little warning on this though...make sure to read the rules on refounding. You can't just go kick everyone out the region..

this might help..

Refounding: A region that has lost its Founder (through absence or deletion) is at greater risk from invaders. Thus, refounding is often a desirable outcome. However, refounding must be done voluntarily and consensually. Each nation must leave the region under their own power, whether live player or puppet. Ejecting all nations, even a region comprised entirely of your own puppets, or players who agree with the idea of refounding, is still griefing.

The proper way to refound is to move to a temporary region. At the start, the native Delegate may eject up to the 40% limit of inactive nations and set a password. It would be smart to reserve some of the ejection percentage for the endgame. A telegram should be sent to all ejectees advising them of the plan. The other nations then move to the temp region. When the region is empty, it will disappear on update and someone may refound it. Note that there is no guarantee that a native will be the one to refound. If the name is open, it's first-come, first-served.

We have 40 odd nations with 10 odd UN nations which are active and the rest are inactive. Coordinating an ejection, voluntary leaving and refounding and getting all those regions back seems to be a humongous task.

I am still puzzled why we are forced to do this arduous and complex method. Why can't we just pick whoever the majority decides as the new founder and just get on with it?

Thanks for the replies.

It doesn't matter how many people in your region ask for a new founder to be instated, the mods will not appoint a new founder. It's best for you guys to password protect the region, move everyone out, and let the region die over night. Then, tomarrow, refound the region. Viola, you have a founder.

Trust me, Shaz, it's not that simple ;)

Has any region done this thing before?

I am not sure about the timings and what you mean by "overnight". Is there a place where I can find more details about all this?

Thanks.

A friend of mine has done it before, even more than once, just not sure how active he is these days....his name on NS is Nolaerie.

Trust me, Shaz, it's not that simple ;)

Never said it was easy..heh

Put thats the principle of it. The hard part is to get everyone in the region to "WANT" to leave it...heh

Our founder usually manages to resusciate himself at the last minute, but this time I think he is gone for good.

Why should our region be founder less? Would it not be prudent to appoint a new founder because the original founder is not in the game anymore?

Would you consider this request if the majority of our region makes this request?

Thanks for all the replies.

For what I recall from the past, your founder has the tendency to die time to time. I seem to remember vaguely how you've (you; a resident of India) already asked about this earlier in the past, perhaps the last time your founder died. Maybe it was in NS Forums or India's RMB I can't remember that and I'm too lazy to do a search.

I wouldn't count your founder out of the picture that easily.

I am still puzzled why we are forced to do this arduous and complex method. Why can't we just pick whoever the majority decides as the new founder and just get on with it?
Hypothetical: 50 nation region, 40 are puppets of one player, the other 10 are independents. Does "Mr. 40" get 40 votes or just one? Who decides? Do mods have to spend several hours defining who is whom, and counting votes?

"Extraordinary circumstances" typically means a region with a mod-deleted founder that is beset with continuous and ongoing rulebreaking for a period of months, and then we tend to appoint a Mod founder who does not actively participate in the region. We also turn off Delegate controls, effectively killing Gameplay within the region. You really don't want that.

Sorry, you'll have to work with the system as it is.

Ok. Mods and other, thanks for the answers. Seems like the only possible solution is a re-finding and I am not sure how other members will take to this idea.

Thanks again.

Hypothetical: 50 nation region, 40 are puppets of one player, the other 10 are independents. Does "Mr. 40" get 40 votes or just one? Who decides? Do mods have to spend several hours defining who is whom, and counting votes?

I understand your POV and I know being a MOD is a thankless job and all.

But what if there is a unanimous decision on a new founder with nobody contesting? Would you accept in that case?

Repeating the question will not change the answer. No.