NationStates Jolt Archive

Greetings,

I am here on behalf of my region and its members. Long ago, one of our radical members- Comperia -out of ignorance broke more than a few rules and was deleted- shortly after he was condemned to DoS. This deletion was fair and I can completely understand why it happened and am regretful to be associated with his name.

Comperia attempted to bypass the system and requested one of our nations to send him his password to see if he could use someone else’s nation that they created. In an attempt to help a very close friend, this member- Rovotia –did as he said. This nation given was deleted and Rovotia too was deleted too.

I ask that the mods please readdress this decision to delete Rovotia. Though it was foolish indeed- I don’t see anywhere in the rules where it says you cannot send a nation to another nation even if they have been in trouble. In fact it says that you CAN give your nation away- but the person that ACCEPTS the nation assumes the reputation of that nation- it does not say that the one giving the nation away would receive the reputation of the receiving member.

Rovotia had a clean record and was a peaceful and compliant member. He was an asset to our region and a prominent leader among us. Though it wasn’t very smart to affiliate with Comperia- please, resurrect his nation and let him return in peace to the game. Compera’s remnant is long gone and Rovotia is very well regretful of his actions. I can vouch for Rovotia that you will experience no problems with him at all and that he will be a benefit to the world of NationStates.

Thank you for any consideration.

You've got it only half right -- both players are stuck with the reputation of the other when you give away a nation -- which is why we discourage sharing or giving away nations. Be that as it may, that's not really the issue here.

At any rate, Rotovia did know that Comperia was DOS, did he not? And was trying, in effect, to help someone who made himself unwelcome here to sneak back in? In other words, he was knowingly helping someone break the rules and trespass on this site, got caught, and was punished for it.

We have not resurrected nations deleted for rulebreaking in the past; I see no reason why we should start now. He has been playing under another nation as I recall -- and that's fine with us.

At any rate, Rotovia did know that Comperia was DOS, did he not? And was trying, in effect, to help someone who made himself unwelcome here to sneak back in? In other words, he was knowingly helping someone break the rules and trespass on this site, got caught, and was punished for it.

We have not resurrected nations deleted for rulebreaking in the past; I see no reason why we should start now. He has been playing under another nation as I recall -- and that's fine with us.

Rovotia was trying, in effect, to help someone back who had realized the wrongs he had committed and wanted to return peacefully to the game. He had been told that Comperia had violated some rules, had been deleted and was unable to create a new nation for reasons he did not know. At the time Rovotia didn't know what DoS was and if he did- did not know Comperia was victim of it. Rovotia- seeing his repentance saw no wrong in aiding a nation who in the past had been friendly to him and was unable to create a new nation on the system for an unknown reason (to him at least- obviously not to Comperia).

As for playing under a different nation's name- No- he has not. The nation I suspect you are referring to is Barvosa (and his puppets) which is his younger brother's nation. Rovotia believes that if he cannot have his nation back (with a name he believes is the best and that none can replace) then he will not return to the game. For our region this is a terrible loss that cannot be mended without his return.

I understand your reasoning for his deletion, but Rovotia took his actions in good will and was not attempting to upset and nations, regions, the mods or the general gameplay of NationStates.

Don't we have a Rovotia- running around here somewhere?

This request has been made multiple times through the Getting Help page, and possibibly here as well. Each time the requester was given the reasons why the decision would not be overturned, and in most cases was also told that the appeal was denied and would not be reconsidered.

How many times do we have to say "No." before you stop asking? It's not going to happen, for reasons that have been explained time and time again.

I know that if I close this thread, you'll just post again, forcing us to forumban or delete you a few more times, so I'll leave this open for a day or two for commentary. I don't do this to give any indication that the decision will be reversed, only to prevent the endless flood of new threads you will make saying exactly the same things you've all said before.

The answer is no. The case is closed.

My apologies- this is my first time requesting the resurrection of this member in both the forums and the getting help page. I was never given any reasons for 'why not' simply because I have not made the request before. I still think it’s a unfair assessment- but I will respect your decision.

Rovotia was trying, in effect, to help someone back who had realized the wrongs he had committed and wanted to return peacefully to the game. He had been told that Comperia had violated some rules, had been deleted and was unable to create a new nation for reasons he did not know. At the time Rovotia didn't know what DoS was and if he did- did not know Comperia was victim of it. Rovotia- seeing his repentance saw no wrong in aiding a nation who in the past had been friendly to him and was unable to create a new nation on the system for an unknown reason (to him at least- obviously not to Comperia).

Again, and more bluntly: by your own words, Rotovia KNEW Comperia was deleted for breaking rules, decided that the rules were unimportant and/or that he was above them, and was deleted for helping someone trespass.

If he has decided not to play even though he is welcome to do so, that is his choice -- as was the choice to help someone avoid their DoS.

Not trying to continue this- but I want to at least make sure what I have said is clear. I still understand your decision Frisbeeteria.

Katganistan: Rotovia KNEW Comperia was deleted for breaking rules- yes, but he didn't know that Comperia was automatically deleted from the system- for he didnt even know what DoS was to begin with. He assumed that Comperia was just having trouble establishing a nation, and as I said, "saw no wrong in aiding a nation who in the past had been friendly to him and was unable to create a new nation on the system for an unknown reason (to him at least- obviously not to Comperia).".

Thats all- I am finished.

My apologies- this is my first time requesting the resurrection of this member
Then it's part of an orchestrated campaign on his part, most likely, to use his NS friends to get us to overturn a decision he's been told won't be overturned. I think we got at least three getting help requests on this subject in the last three days. Sorry, that's not a coincidence, that's a plan.

Pass the word around the region. This issue is closed.