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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458053

I'm surprised that the mods let this travesty get to 11 pages.

It shouldn't have even been allowed to exceed one. The first post is filled with bigotry, hatred, homophobia and ignorance to boot.

It seems like it's not just trolling but also a flamebait.

I agree. This guy has been nothing but trouble.

From the last topic you posted in ...
you'd have to be an idiot to not understand why you got in trouble for it.
This was totally unnecessary and unhelpful, especially in this forum. Do NOT flame here again.

I agree. This guy has been nothing but trouble.
Enjoy your day off from the forums.

The first post is filled with bigotry, hatred, homophobia and ignorance to boot.
If those things are banned from the forum (along with spam, which is already illegal), we might as well close General completely.

Yes, it's probably trollish. If it's intentionally trollish, then the poster should be deleted. However, appearances indicate that these opinions are honestly held, and we don't regulate what people think and feel ... yet. Perhaps when [violet] and SalusaSecondus perfect that Mod-telepathy helmet they say they're working on ...

In the meantime, people are debating, and at a casual glance doing so with relative calm and intelligence. I see no reason to close it, despite the fact that it's been done to death.

If you're looking for flames and baiting and such, I've seen much worse in the thread than the start of it - which could be just as much someone stating their unpopular opinion as someone trying to troll. Amazing how y'all jump on it, though. Anyways, examples:

Graceorgrad wishing AIDS on someone (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10054865&postcount=6), albeit in an attempt to be indirect. Meaning is clear enough.

Ichadoo with a somewhat garbled ill-wish as well. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10054997&postcount=31)

GRAND ADMIRALS with his two cents. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10055046&postcount=44)

Ichadoo again with the flaming/baiting. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10055175&postcount=81)

Freedomstaki with this illustrative piece of work. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=10055404&postcount=158)

Take your pick. I've no doubt there will be more scattered amongst the discussion. Some people just can't seem to resist the temptation.

No pun intended. Much.

The idea is to use my trick and wrap your flame in a legitimate argument.

I'm still reading through the thread, but it appears the OP just started the thread and left. That is classic trolling behavior.

I'm still reading through the thread, but it appears the OP just started the thread and left. That is classic trolling behavior.

True. I've also noted that the OP has done this at least three or four times.

I do see your point Fris. The majority of the replies are rather civil considering the nature of the first post. Which is saying alot, since I've abstained from replying since I know I'd likely flame the thread starter...

Going back to what Frisbeeteria said:

Sure, the first post and a handfull of others could be considered 'civil' and 'intelligent' responses (using the terms somewhat loosely) but once you have people wishing AIDs upon each other and saying, "have a horrible life" not to mention the brilliant and beautifully worded posts GRAND ADMIRALS and Freedomstaki threw in there, I think its safe to assume that the thread is a flame-fest.

What saddens me about this whole thing is that people (and I dont blame them either, it is not done intentionally) take the bible out of context. Everything said must be looked at carefully and placed in relation to everything else, that is why it is so difficult to read and understand. Lets take an example along the lines of some of these peoples' posts

Law is a big part of the old testament and there are lots. Does this mean that we still have to follow them today? Yes and no. Some are god-given, most are from the law of Moses, that he wrote for the people he was governing. The difference is (now even if you're atheist bear with me, i hope you can for the sake of arguement pretend that God knows all etc.) that if god says something is this way, then it's that way and you better believe it. If Moses says it, it doesnt have to be true at all, he was a human and humans sin and such. The laws god gave us (man shall not lay with another man as he does a woman... yada yada) we do still need to keep because God did not tell us otherwise since. Moses's (can't charge interest, sell food for money, etc) dont need to be followed, they were just for his people at the time when they were needed.

That is why it saddens me when people try to tear down arguments by saying well we do this or that and in the old testament its wrong. the bible is very complex and before you use it in either argument regardless of your beliefs i would rather see people try to understand it better, not just literally. and i say not JUST literally because some of the meaning is in the literal translation, just not ALL the meaning.

That said, i am against same-sex marriages, but not against s. I have pity for them (as is Catholicism's teaching) because for one reason or another they have this flaw. God will help them through it if they ask his help because ity is not in our nature, it is a sad result of sin which affects everyone. Feeling things for the same is not wrong (by Catholic teachings) it is ACTING on them, relations, etc, that is wrong because it is a misuse of our bodies, not what they are intended for. Again, i have NO rd for s, i wish them the best of luck in life because i know they face much adversity, and i urge them to pray (regardless of their religion) for God's help, He'll see you through it!

Yeah, that's nice and all - but this isn't a place for discussion on the bible and who is and isn't taking it out of context, or a place to put up your own personal soapbox about the issue - politely put or not.

Regardless, there's still nastiness going on now and then in between the more cogent discussion there. I suppose none of that has been enough to warrant at least a 'knock it off'?

Interesting.

Why, of course. All Christians and conservatives are intolerant, bigoted, oppressive, ignorant, anti-science, narrow-minded, hateful, homophobic, racist, and anti-freedom, and everyone knows that our dear non-Christians and liberals are standing up against idiocy. And of course liberals never flame, because they are always open-minded and view everything in equality, unlike Christians. If a non-Christian flames (oh dear!), it's okay, because whatever stupid Christian on the receiving end of it certainly deserves it.

Of course, of course. Damn those Christians; they shall certainly die by their idiotic abstinence beliefs.

Why, of course. All Christians and conservatives are intolerant, bigoted, oppressive, ignorant, anti-science, narrow-minded, hateful, homophobic, racist, and anti-freedom, and everyone knows that our dear non-Christians and liberals are standing up against idiocy. And of course liberals never flame, because they are always open-minded and view everything in equality, unlike Christians. If a non-Christian flames (oh dear!), it's okay, because whatever stupid Christian on the receiving end of it certainly deserves it.

Of course, of course. Damn those Christians; they shall certainly die by their idiotic abstinence beliefs.
You realize you're not doing yourself or your point any favors by getting all 'baity' in moderation like this, right? Honestly now. I really wish people would quit with the lumping large groups of folks together just to be snotty already. I've no idea what political bent any of the folks getting nasty are, and I'm not going to sit here and guess. Nasty is nasty, regardless of who's spouting it. That is the point, not 'hey lets take the opportunity to bash liberals, conservatives, Christians, athiests, what-have-you'.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=458053

I'm surprised that the mods let this travesty get to 11 pages.

It shouldn't have even been allowed to exceed one. The first post is filled with bigotry, hatred, homophobia and ignorance to boot.

It seems like it's not just trolling but also a flamebait.

I'm still trying to figure out how loyal christians is able to access the internet from the 11th century.

I'm still trying to figure out how loyal christians is able to access the internet from the 11th century.


.....Thats Amish people. Not Christians. Otherwise i wouldn't be using the comp now would I ?

.....Thats Amish people. Not Christians. Otherwise i wouldn't be using the comp now would I ?

I thought the Amish were Christians. Or was it the other way round? And where do Canadians fit into the mix? I'm all confused.....

The End.


(Maybe someone will look at this again, maybe not. Do NOT bring the General discussion topic to Moderation again.)