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I'm not really offended by his tactics. They are pretty much par for the course, but he basically jumped into the thread to call us hypocrites and make a bunch of claims that have NOTHING to do with abortion. Because of the nature of the claims he puts us in a position to defend ourselves and explain his comments and bye-bye thread. The thread was going nicely and just about the time he arrived someone commented on how civil the conversation was. Would you mind looking into this? I suspect he's hoping to get the thread closed.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9947384&postcount=3288

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9948722&postcount=3323

Yeah, I noticed I was being lured in by the glamor of pointing out his folly and thus contributed to the hijack, so I figured the best way to end it was to request assistance. Thanks. It's a suprisingly cogent debate otherwise.

He's back and he's better than ever. He suggests that he is just responding in kind, but you'll find that I have never attacked him or insulted him. I have attacked his methods and his arguments only, however rudely (I tend to be a little sarcastic and occasionally blunt). He jumped into the middle of a conversation and without understanding it started flamebaiting everyone.

Here's some links for you -

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949468&postcount=3337

It's actually not insulting me really but the point is he doesn't even address the points in the post. The entire purpose of the post is to attack me. He doesn't even hide it within other points.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949307&postcount=3329

"Did you even bother to read the stuff he writes? I think he's a democrat. But, okay, I hear ya..."

Apparently, I'm a Democrat. News to me, but whatever. I suppose this why all of his following flamebait over the next page is referring to DFL mascots.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949490&postcount=3338

"Conceded what? That it's not a person? Well what the hell do you think people make when they get pregnant, more DFL mascots?"

Flamebait.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949301&postcount=3328

"Potential what? A potential DFL mascot or potential abusee in a neglected child household?"

His point is so jumbled, that I'm not even sure he is disagreeing with me, but from the tone he appears to be. He obviously intended this to be flamebait, but none of us could really tell what he was trying to say. And, no, I'm not insulting him. I really have no idea why he worded his point this way. He tells us later what his point is but I can't see how the post makes it. I can see how he was trying to again attack us 'DFL mascots'.

He seems to become increasingly unruly. His insults and flames took up around two pages!

I don't really know what he is attempting. It appears that he's just mad so he's saying anything he can to upset us.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949945&postcount=3366
Laughable like your non-opinion stating posting? How very disdainful of you, I'm so hurt, perhaps I should take Jacobia's example and run off to the moderation forum and complain :rolleyes: :p

I pointed out that potential isn't an argument to Avalon II and GL replied as if I were making the argument AII was making. No matter how often we correct he keeps doing it and making posts like this. Apparently, AII is wrong for arguing from potential and I'm wrong for disagreeing. Huh?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949904&postcount=3363

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9949840&postcount=3356

I'm not sure whether to annoyed or entertained. He's clearly trying to disrupt the thread and upset everybody but the attempts are so nonsensical I'm tempted not to stop him. It's like a car crash.

Kind of funny seeing some of the arguments here - whether this person ought to be firmly directed back on track or not - considering that some of the accusers were busy doing the same thing in another thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453207&page=11) recently (read back a ways from the end). Off-topic, hijacking, nitpicking on things like spelling and grammar and anything else besides the point of what other posters were attempting, to one degree or other, to get across, lables being idly tossed about without proof, namecalling ... can be amusing sometimes when things are turned around a bit. *grins*

In any case ... waiting to see how this pans while adding an observation on similar tactics used. No, it isn't the first time it's happened on the boards, no, not suggesting action ought to be taken or the like. *shrugs* Pertinent parallel for ref, no more, no less.

Kind of funny seeing some of the arguments here - whether this person ought to be firmly directed back on track or not - considering that some of the accusers were busy doing the same thing in another thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453207&page=11) recently (read back a ways from the end). Off-topic, hijacking, nitpicking on things like spelling and grammar and anything else besides the point of what other posters were attempting, to one degree or other, to get across, lables being idly tossed about without proof, namecalling ... can be amusing sometimes when things are turned around a bit. *grins*

In any case ... waiting to see how this pans while adding an observation on similar tactics used. No, it isn't the first time it's happened on the boards, no, not suggesting action ought to be taken or the like. *shrugs* Pertinent parallel for ref, no more, no less.

If you have an issue with that thread, one would think you would start a thread in moderation reporting any issues. Whether others have broken the rules is never an excuse to do so. Particularly since the offending poster was not engaged in that thread at all. Also, for accuracy, the 'similar tactics you are pointing to ' aren't really similar to joining a thread for the sole purpose of insulting posters and preventing debate. If you notice Greenlander was reported for hijacking a thread to flamebait the people participating. That doesn't really resemble what you're claiming.

As far as I know the only accuser is myself, and the spelling issues in the thread you named were to point out to Midlonia that people in glass houses should not throw stones, particularly in the form of disingenuous advice designed to insult and enrage. His posts were insulting, rude, ill-informed and badly written. We pointed out all of those things.

For the record, I don't pretend like I don't amuse myself by adding sarcasm of various degrees to my posts, catching people in logical contradictions and saying so, and pointing out when posters are being deceptive (usually when I can and do evidence that accusation through multiple posts). None of these are particularly efforts to ingraciate myself with the other poster, but these are things I expect to see in a debate. I've been called a liar (usually without any evidence, but that's besides the point) and been told I lack reading comprehension in just the last couple of days. I don't really think it's inappropriate or at least not actionable to say such things if they're in the course of a debate. However, I do think the mods should step in when those actions are preventing cogent debate from continuing, whether the offending poster is myself, my best friend or some poster I really don't care for.

He was directly asked to stop. He has a long history of this type of behavior. He continues to call me a 'DFL mascot' because he was asked to not called people asses and, in this thread, to not call me a donkey. The behavior is childish and I would ignore it but it's disruptive to the thread. He's the kid in class standing on his desk banging pans together to get attention.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9952719&postcount=3436
"You don't have an argument DFL mascot boy, you don't have a position, you don't even talk about the topic, you are just repeating the same old unrelated clap-trap..."

another thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=453207&page=11) recently (read back a ways from the end). Off-topic, hijacking

Actually the "another thread" that you speak of was started by me and I have no problem with the way it has covered many different topics. Some times threads do evolve and as long as the person who started the thread doesn't mind, as I don't. I don't see what the big deal is.

Of course I will admit I don't know what the complaint of this thread is, because I didn't look, but just wanted to point out the other thread you use as an example I didn't mind that it evolved into other discussions. To each their own I guess. It's my feeling that people just need to take deep breaths and stop getting so uptight about the small stuff. But you know how it goes, as you've seen as often as I, any little thing to complain, people do.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9953090&postcount=3442

Actually the "another thread" that you speak of was started by me and I have no problem with the way it has covered many different topics. Some times threads do evolve and as long as the person who started the thread doesn't mind, as I don't. I don't see what the big deal is.

Of course I will admit I don't know what the complaint of this thread is, because I didn't look, but just wanted to point out the other thread you use as an example I didn't mind that it evolved into other discussions. To each their own I guess. It's my feeling that people just need to take deep breaths and stop getting so uptight about the small stuff. But you know how it goes, as you've seen as often as I, any little thing to complain, people do.

I'm well aware of who started it and was not in any way suggesting action needed to be taken - as stated, if one read my post. It was a simple observation about how this sort of thing happens all the time. Perhaps it's a matter of style, timing, delivery, placement, topic, or even who's involved on what end of things that makes a difference.

All the same, statement stands. It is amusing to watch how these things develop, how they're dealt with, and how those involved handle them. And I imagine it will continue to be so for as long as people continue posting and debating. :)