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I believe that A nation that is ignoring me (Zeppelin Manufacturers Incorporated) is attempting to to get me involved in a Future Tech RP with a puppet.

In this thread here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452889

The Core Commissar clearly states that he is someones puppet.

In this thread here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=452601

He posts arriving in a starship (me and ZMI had an argument about this before which led to him ignoring me, etc.) and then moving into my territory.

The Core Commissar TG'ed me both of these threads, and will not say whose puppet he is, will not explain why he is targetting me and will generally answer no questions, other than making snide comments in his thread about my hypocricy.

IF this is an attempt by ZMI to draw me into another tech flame thread then I think this is something the Mods should look at? Or am I mistaken?

For the record, I'm not Zeppelin Manufacturers Incorporated.

Additionally, this post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9941022&posted=1#post9941022) should help. The intent was to merely randomly engage someone proud of their military with silly force and take silly losses while incurring little to no damage at all. We're talking stamped-trenchbroom Soviet mass charges into prepared positions type-stuff; WWI tactics against people who actually -know- how to fight.

I've no idea why Ilek-Vaad is being this defensive, but it's not a big deal. I'm not offended.

I am suspicious because ZMI and his buddies have in the past posted in my threads and in other peoples threads attempting to goad me into a tech flame war.

I have no doubt you are attempting to do the same. If you aren't ZMI than I would bet you are one of his Concordat buddies. I'd even give odds on that.

Once again, if your intentions are innocent, you'd have no problem telling me who you are and what this is about.

Again, for the record, no, I'm not in the Concordat.

Next two telegrams cover that:

I don't believe that for a second. The fact that you won't say who you are or even explain why you have targetted me merely supports my position.

IF you were simply about just having some fun and engaging in a nice friendly RP you wouldn't have any problem answering my questions. The fact that you need to hide who you are and why you are doing this points to something entirely different than a nice friendly RP.

I have posted my suspicions here : http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=454307

Unlike you I have no desire to hide what I am doing.
You'll see the reply there. I've nothing really to hide either, but I've also nothing to reveal. I don't want association with my main to taint what I do with this puppet, which, as I put in the first post of the thread, is inherently silly.

I don't get the paranoia, but seeing how you're taking this so seriously, whatever. No loss to me.
Honestly, man. I'll accept "No, I don't want to" but "wrong tech level" is inherently silly as well as "No, you must be someone I don't like."

I can confirm that Core Comissar is not ZMI

Honestly, Vaad. Are you claiming you can't handle choosing whether or not to rp? Last I looked, making accusations like this publicly is bad form, especially when you have no proof. And to my knowledge, the moderators a) do not referee rp, and b) do not out puppets just to make people 'feel better' or so one can 'justify' ignoring someone. I have seen action taken against people using puppets to outright flame and harrass, with the mods going so far as to say 'yes, this is a puppet', but not naming who's nation it was attached to. This doesn't seem to be the case here.

This guy has told you his intentions - a bit of harmless gaming in where he intends to take ridiculous losses. If you don't want to deal with it, or aren't up to the challenge of some nameless, faceless person daring to call you out, then don't, but cut the baseless accusations. It isn't becoming. Besides, what does it matter who it is? Anyone can have alternate nations that don't have anything whatsoever to do with their main. Is it a crime to want to play something else, completely unattached? It's freeform rp, man.

Play, or don't play. Your choice, one would think. You're making yourself look rather foolish, and more than a little childish with all of this. And skirting the edges of flaming a bit yourself there. Just an observation.

--Nathi's Player (who finds this more than a little ridiculous)

I can confirm that Core Comissar is not ZMI

I do not know you either and have no reason to trust your confirmation.

You might want to check out that little line under my username that says "Nationstates Moderator"

Honestly, Vaad. Are you claiming you can't handle choosing whether or not to rp? Last I looked, making accusations like this publicly is bad form, especially when you have no proof. And to my knowledge, the moderators a) do not referee rp, and b) do not out puppets just to make people 'feel better' or so one can 'justify' ignoring someone. I have seen action taken against people using puppets to outright flame and harrass, with the mods going so far as to say 'yes, this is a puppet', but not naming who's nation it was attached to. This doesn't seem to be the case here.

This guy has told you his intentions - a bit of harmless gaming in where he intends to take ridiculous losses. If you don't want to deal with it, or aren't up to the challenge of some nameless, faceless person daring to call you out, then don't, but cut the baseless accusations. It isn't becoming. Besides, what does it matter who it is? Anyone can have alternate nations that don't have anything whatsoever to do with their main. Is it a crime to want to play something else, completely unattached? It's freeform rp, man.

Play, or don't play. Your choice, one would think. You're making yourself look rather foolish, and more than a little childish with all of this. And skirting the edges of flaming a bit yourself there. Just an observation.

--Nathi's Player (who finds this more than a little ridiculous)


I agree, but this has happened before and I'm getting a bit sick of being targetted by FT nations who have stated that they want to goad me into a flame war to get me banned.

I normally would just ignore the situation except that The Core Commissar is being very insistant about his 'harmless' RP.

If a Mod says that this is a case where they do not enforce RP etiquette than I will , of course, drop it.

I would agree that this is ridiculous, but sometimes we reach a breaking point.

I do not know you either and have no reason to trust your confirmation.
He's a moderator. Look at the forum title.

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I am paranoid because ZMI and his buddies have stated that they want to draw me into a flame war and get me banned from NS.

This is exactly how they do it: They show up in a thread with their forces and attack me or my allies, and when I either A.) respond IC they begin posting OOC tirades about how I have to play FT because I'm responding to them and how they are fully justified in using their masses of starships to support the Modern Tech forces because I responded IC to them.

Or B.) They do the above but I simply respond OOC and say that I do not RP FT. They will launch into OOC tirades about how I already am FT because I will diplomatic threads with FT nations and because I have posted a developmental post about never-used and entirely theoretical Grav-ships.

Either way they hope to make me mad enough to lose my temper and get me banned from NS.

Let's see how you react when a group of players does the same thing to you? This is why I am EXTREMELY careful about who I RP with. If I don't know you, you better explain in detail what is going on.
I already have. My main nation is boringly peaceful and I would like to work out excess aggression by having my proverbial ass handed to me in funny and amusing ways. The Core Commissar's primary wank is having silly, n00bish numbers of forces, which results in silly, non-n00bish numbers of casualties. Everyone piles on top of everyone else, thus leading to the fact that you can't even shoot at a TCC force--even without aiming--and not hit something.

Like I said, silly. As far as I can tell here, you're being your own worst enemy here by essentially isolating yourself out of fear. Now that's your perogative, but it doesn't help anyone--especially yourself--to make a big public thing out of it. It certainly doesn't make you look good.

You might want to check out that little line under my username that says "Nationstates Moderator"

My bad, I did not even see that!

Thank you very much. I appreciate it greatly.

Show where CC is a futuretech nation for one thing, especially in comparison to your ah ... toys that you've so prominently displayed on the forums.

Show where he has tried to bait you into a flame war.

Show where his insistence has been in anything but response to your rather rude accusations.

Yes, it is ridiculous - your making such a fuss over it, that is. At least some of us can sit back and have a good laugh over it. ;)

I don't care how it makes me look. I RP with who, and when I want to. IF you had honest intentions of a good clean, fun RP you would say who you were. If you wanted it kept private then I wouldn't pass it on. But I do not RP with nations that I do not know.

If I know your other nation that might change things, but until I know who you are this point this closed and entirely moot.
Fair enough--I think this is the point where I say "suit yourself" (again) and shrug off the baseless accusations. Have a good'un. :D

Show where CC is a futuretech nation for one thing, especially in comparison to your ah ... toys that you've so prominently displayed on the forums.

Show where he has tried to bait you into a flame war.

Show where his insistence has been in anything but response to your rather rude accusations.

Yes, it is ridiculous - your making such a fuss over it, that is. At least some of us can sit back and have a good laugh over it. ;)

Well, his very first post, his forces arrived in a STARSHIP, dead giveaway that.

The rest I was merely being cautious about because:

a.) he refused to say who he was.

b.) he refused to say until TG #6 what this was all about ( why wouldn't he explain it when I first asked?)

c.) He posted this gem: After having a good long laugh at the brazen hypocracy of the gestalt consciousness of Ilek-Vaad (somehow believing that the Commissar's ships floating properly on the ocean due to buoyancy make them the "wrong tech level for participation" against a force with [experimental] warships that fly),
WHICH is an argument that ZMI has piointed to in the past to 'prove' my 'hypocricy'

Those three things made me very suspicious.

BUT since a mad has weighed in, I consider this matter closed and will not engage in this RP because I do not know who The Core Commissar is.

End of story! So have a good laugh.


EDIT: Oh, and now he seems to be (like ZMI and his Concordat buddies often do) ridiculing my integrity for refusing to RP with someone.

No, I'm saying that your accusations were baseless because I'm not ZMI or anyone in this "Concordat" thing. Again, it doesn't matter. Just drop it, man.

If anyone is suggesting some mockery, it's likely for good reason, from what's been posted here. Grow a skin, shrug it off, and laugh with the rest of us.

There's no rule saying anyone has to 'prove' who they are in rp - through TG or no. The fact you've chosen to be an elitist about it is your problem, not everyone elses, and is as stated, your choice. I'd think it was obvious what the intent was - to rp. If something turns sour after you've started, or it becomes apparent an rp is nothing but a ruse, or a ploy (as you've baselessly accused) to bait you, it's easy enough to exit gracefully rather than pitch a fit over nothing, as has been done here.

We've all had our fair share of good and bad rp, of harrassment and spammers, and lamers who just wanted to sow a little discord for the sake of doing it. How we deal with these things is a measure of character and ability to handle what gets tossed our way. Some handle it well, some don't. *shrugs* What it all comes down to is what I said earlier - Play, or don't. Simple as that.

Still, might want to take a moment to remember that in getting to know other nations out there, you once had to take a chance and rp a little. It's not like many of us started out here knowing other players. I know I didn't. Attitudes of 'I only play with those I know' are limiting and isolationist - can't see how that's any fun. *shrugs* Again, choice. So long as it works for you ...

I'm out. Pardon rambling, but this was just too 'out there' to pass on commenting on. Kind of illustrates some problems in the rp community at large, as attitudes like this I don't think are as uncommon as some of us would like.


EDIT: By the way, Vaad - it's also considered poor form to spam someone elses ic thread with your ooc stuff when you've already stated you won't be rp'ing there. Brushing up on your rp ettiquite might not be amiss. It isn't helping your image any.

Honestly, man. I'll accept "No, I don't want to" but "wrong tech level" is inherently silly as well as "No, you must be someone I don't like."I disagree with you on the inherent silliness of "wrong tech level." If someone's either MT or PMT and they choose not to RP with someone who's FT for whatever reason, it's their right to do so. If you're talking about someone who says it brusquely as if they're being made to look stupid for suggesting that a player RPs with a FTer, that's one thing. If you're suggesting that someone should RP with a FTer if they don't want to, that violates the spirit of freeform RP.

Well, that might fly Sarz, if Vaad hadn't already proven he has no problem in rp'ing with people from all sorts of 'tech bases' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=386663), including Menelmacar. Not to mention, using someone elses tech to get from here to there does not make the nation making use of it Future Tech. I won't even go into Vaad's own technology base, which is a bit hard to make heads or tails of sometimes, and is most definitely not strictly Modern, unless you really stretch that imagination something fierce.

In any case, they've 'resolved' it, so ain't no point arguing here any further. Just felt that ought to be pointed out, for the record. A bit hard to have it both ways, neh?

Lock'd.

Ah yes, the old 'You've done a diplomatic RP with a FT nation, so therefore I can send my space armada to invade you.' argument. God forbid that players should be allowed to choose their own tech parameters.

That is their line verbatim. This issue is closed. Further posts here will not even be read by me.

If you don't like me or my tech, do not start RP's with me involved, and then do not TG me about getting involved, if The Core Commissar was so convinced that my tech level was 'hypocritical' he never should have started an RP aimed at me, he should mind his own business.

I do believe we're done here. This issue at hand has been resolved. iLock.