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Hello, 3 days ago I went to check my nation stats on NSEconomy. I am in the region Canada and the program wasnt working because there are too many nations in Canada for it to check.

So I moved a region I hold called "The Commonwealth" in order to check my stats. I accidently moved back to Canada before I could check my stats, so I returned to The Commonwealth, got my stats, then returned to Canada.

So now today I log into my nation and there is a telegram stating:
NationStates Moderators
Received: 3 days ago Warned for regional happenings spamming.

Because I ended up using up 4 spaces in the regional happenings I get a warning? It was not my intention to spam or advertise or whatever.

I dont know what this means, do I now have some sort of a "warning" attached to my nation now that the mods can see? What happens now that I get this warning. Could you please remove it, it was never my intention to break the rules. :(

I dont know what this means, do I now have some sort of a "warning" attached to my nation now that the mods can see? What happens now that I get this warning.

The warning does stay attached to your nation, although I don't know how long for, it is a fairly long space of time (IIRC).

Nothing happens unless you break more rules (intentionally or otherwise). If you don't do anything else wrong, the warning just sits there and, chances are, nobody will give a damn.

**NOT A MOD**

Still, IMO this presents a fair arguement. Christopholous, for a full guide on how to appeal a Mod's decision, have a look over this guide written up by SalusaSecondus (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9530191&postcount=9). It might be of use to you on tackling the issue.

--- AU's Player.

I'll poke the mod in question to reevaluate the case. Should they determine that this ruling was in error, your warning will be cleared, otherwise, it won't be.

I'll poke the mod in question to reevaluate the case. Should they determine that this ruling was in error, your warning will be cleared, otherwise, it won't be.

Thanks for looking into this. The only times I have moved my nation from Canada in long time is to check up my stats. This isnt my main nation, but since its my oldest nation I regularly log in to keep it alive and also check stats every once and a while. So its somewhat comical that I've got this warning :P

The ruling has been upheld. Unfortunately we have very limited information to go on in cases such as this, so I'll just caution you to be more careful in the future.

ack!! This really is not fair.

So if Im getting what your saying, you couldnt get enough information to make a proper ruling, so your giving the mod the benefit of the doubt and upholding the warning... its just that how then did the mod have enough information to justify giving the warning in the first place, but not be able to give you sufficient information when you asked? Doesnt that say something in itslef?

There is a lot of doubt here, its not right to uphold the warning.

What did the mod say he/she observed me doing? Did he say "he was spamming the regional happenings" or did he give you more descriptive information and say "I observed him leave and return to the region twice, filling up 4 spaces in the regional happenings box, and I decided to give him a warning on my belief that he was spamming"

There is still a record in The Commonwealth of the action I did that caused him to give me a warning:
6 days ago: The Commonwealth of Christopholous departed this region for Canada
6 days ago: The Commonwealth of Christopholous arrived from Canada.
6 days ago: The Commonwealth of Christopholous departed this region for Canada
6 days ago: The Commonwealth of Christopholous arrived from Canada.
I know thats what he saw because thats exactly what I did, I never moved anywhere else.

Why am I being punished for this?? I was just checking my stats. How can I be more careful from avoiding over agressive mods down the road. I dont want to see my oldest nation get deleted down the road because now there is some "warning" on my account that would provoke another over-eager mod to delete me without a second thought.

I am telling you the truth as I've preceived it and im telling you that this ruling by that mod is an injustice :(

Perhaps you can temporarily found a new one nation region so you can check your stats and then return to your region? I'm not sure how avoiding spamming the Regional Happenings board works completely, but that's one thing I did a couple of times when I was in a large enough region.

ack!! This really is not fair.

So if Im getting what your saying, you couldnt get enough information to make a proper ruling, so your giving the mod the benefit of the doubt and upholding the warning... its just that how then did the mod have enough information to justify giving the warning in the first place, but not be able to give you sufficient information when you asked? Doesnt that say something in itslef?

There is a lot of doubt here, its not right to uphold the warning.

What did the mod say he/she observed me doing? Did he say "he was spamming the regional happenings" or did he give you more descriptive information and say "I observed him leave and return to the region twice, filling up 4 spaces in the regional happenings box, and I decided to give him a warning on my belief that he was spamming"

There is still a record in The Commonwealth of the action I did that caused him to give me a warning:

I know thats what he saw because thats exactly what I did, I never moved anywhere else.

Why am I being punished for this?? I was just checking my stats. How can I be more careful from avoiding over agressive mods down the road. I dont want to see my oldest nation get deleted down the road because now there is some "warning" on my account that would provoke another over-eager mod to delete me without a second thought.

I am telling you the truth as I've preceived it and im telling you that this ruling by that mod is an injustice :(

Just a thought. You could've jumped to say Canada45000 or something (some region that doesn't exist) and check your stats - though I can't remember whether the program can handle new regions or not. Regardless, you didn't have to jump back to Commonwealth for the second round of checking your stats.

The rulings that they have made generally speaking fall along the line of "we don't care why, because we can't prove it one way or the other. If you broke the rules, you broke them so we're going to have to levy punishment accordingly." This isn't unfair, and considering the size of the community and the number of requests they normally perform, it isn't inconsiderate either. They can't be responsible for the reasoning and thought behind each individual.

Basically, in a short time frame you filled 4 of the 10 regional happenings for two different regions, one that didn't care and one that did. It might suck that this resulted in you getting reported and warned, but that doesn't make it unfair.

ack!! This really is not fair.
This ruling has been upheld by one of the administrators of Nationstates. His ruling is final, as him, [violet], and Max himself are pretty much on the same level as admins of NS.

So if Im getting what your saying, you couldnt get enough information to make a proper ruling, so your giving the mod the benefit of the doubt and upholding the warning... its just that how then did the mod have enough information to justify giving the warning in the first place, but not be able to give you sufficient information when you asked? Doesnt that say something in itslef?
No, that isn't what's being said. What's being said is that we have limited information, but enough nonetheless. No one would be making a ruling if they didn't have enough information.

There is a lot of doubt here, its not right to uphold the warning.
Regional Happenings Spam: Going in and out of a region and hence filling up the regional events board with departing and arriving messages is known as Regional Happenings or Events Log Spamming and is not allowed. Use the Additional Information checkboxes on the Getting Help Page to capture abuses on the Regional Happenings. Warzones are exempt from this rule.
It's pretty clear cut. Check it out here: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023

Why am I being punished for this?? I was just checking my stats. How can I be more careful from avoiding over agressive mods down the road. I dont want to see my oldest nation get deleted down the road because now there is some "warning" on my account that would provoke another over-eager mod to delete me without a second thought.
Aggressive? Hardly. Upholding the rules? Yes.

I am telling you the truth as I've preceived it and im telling you that this ruling by that mod is an injustice :(
No, it isn't. You've received a warning for regional happenings spam, and it will be uphead.

If you wish to appeal this decision one last time, here is the process, though I highly doubt it will be reversed.

If you feel that the first appeal was unjust, you may post a final appeal via the Getting Help page. Please be sure to note in your request that this is a final appeal. The appeal will be logged where all mods and admins may see it, and it will be judged by a panel of four or more mods, including at least one Senior Game Mod or Admin. The original ruling moderator will recuse himself from this appeal, but may be the one who posts the response. Be aware that frivolous appeals may result in warnings to your nation. Most forum warnings and minor forumbans are likely to be considered frivolous. Final appeals may take several days, so be patient.

The moderator in question had enough information that they made the original ruling. At the time of this appeal, the only information that I had came from both the moderator and you. I asked the moderator to reconsider the ruling considering what you had posted in this thread and the moderator chose to uphold the ruling (and yes, sometimes they choose to change their ruling). As I had no specific reason to overrule the moderator in this case, I let the ruling stand.