Possible puppet troll.
Keruvalia
15-10-2005, 19:42
Far be it from me to speculate, but I think the evidence speaks for itself on a cursory search of his/her posts.
The poster Yeru Shalayim, from the very beginning, has been on a constant bent against Muslims. Not terrorists, nor singling out specific groups, but all Muslims.
Claiming here that even moderate Muslims are dangerous:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781248&postcount=19
Claiming historical fact here with no sources to back it up:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781313&postcount=106
Calling for the destruction of holy places:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781343&postcount=3
Stating that Qur'an is incitement of hatred:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9793272&postcount=24
Again a claim that all Muslims are obligated to kill (without proof):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9794218&postcount=168
Another claim that we're all murderous:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9799130&postcount=186
Mind you, all of this comes in the face of evidence to the contrary of every claim he makes. With every post, from very early on, he has insulted, spread lies, fostered hatred, and refused to answer questions, cite sources, or even look at evidence to the contrary of his claims.
He is clearly a deliberate troll, possibly a puppet.
The Most Glorious Hack
15-10-2005, 20:20
Ehhh...
Most of this is borderline in my view. Certainly not a popular viewpoint, and it's certainly being stated in a hostile tone, but...
Simply stating an unpopular, or controversial viewpoint is not necessarily trolling. Simply being rude is not necessarily flaming...
Still, not positive on this end. I'll leave this one to another Mod to consider.
Keruvalia
15-10-2005, 20:38
Simply stating an unpopular, or controversial viewpoint is not necessarily trolling. Simply being rude is not necessarily flaming...
Nod ... and I certainly had considered that. My problem is with the lack of evidence to support his claims. Clearly if he is of this opinion, so be it. He's entitled, but he speaks it as absolute truth.
That's why I think it's a troll. I'm all for opinion. I am an American and, well, grew up in the country that has spawned some of the greatest wackos of all time and proudly so ... but to state opinion as fact, particularly a bigotted or racist opinion, without means or desire toward backing up the claims, is trolling ... systematically and deliberately ... in my opinion.
Far be it from me to speculate, but I think the evidence speaks for itself on a cursory search of his/her posts.
The poster Yeru Shalayim, from the very beginning, has been on a constant bent against Muslims. Not terrorists, nor singling out specific groups, but all Muslims.
Claiming here that even moderate Muslims are dangerous:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781248&postcount=19
Claiming historical fact here with no sources to back it up:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781313&postcount=106
Calling for the destruction of holy places:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9781343&postcount=3
Stating that Qur'an is incitement of hatred:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9793272&postcount=24
Again a claim that all Muslims are obligated to kill (without proof):
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9794218&postcount=168
Another claim that we're all murderous:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9799130&postcount=186
Mind you, all of this comes in the face of evidence to the contrary of every claim he makes. With every post, from very early on, he has insulted, spread lies, fostered hatred, and refused to answer questions, cite sources, or even look at evidence to the contrary of his claims.
He is clearly a deliberate troll, possibly a puppet.sounds alot like all the Anti-Christian rants from you-know-who and others make in the threads in General... :rolleyes:
Keruvalia
15-10-2005, 20:41
sounds alot like all the Anti-Christian rants from you-know-who and others make in the threads in General... :rolleyes:
Aye, that it does, and if I see a poster who has 400 messages of nothing but anti-Christian venom without contributing in one way to meaningful or intelligent Biblical debate, then I would report it as the same.
Scolopendra
16-10-2005, 02:39
All Britain has to do now is ban Jews, Wine, Women in public, haircuts and shaving and maybe, just maybe, Moslems will be kind enough to allow a few of them to live in slavery.
“Extremists” are not the problem, neither are terrorists. The problem is a doctrine that mandates making the world, Islam.
“Moderate Moslems” only “Moderately” want to kill you.Trolling due to the whole "let's paint with a broad brush" syndrome.
I do not take the Koran’s excuses as Gospel, unless you are Moslem, neither should you. Mohammed declared war some twenty odd times, massacred merchant caravans and called these great victories, claiming on his pedophiliac honor that they were planning to attack him. Why should anyone believe him about this?
The Koran does not say you are their equal, it says to smite you above your neck and on all of your fingertips until you accept that they are your superiors and you must pay them for not killing you.
As for their rule of the Hindu Kush, they never ruled all of it, ever. The parts they did rule, they destroyed Hindu Temples, like the Temple of Ram, murdering hundreds of thousands of Hindus to do it. No Hindu was allowed near it, until the British forced the Moslems to allow a small nearby shrine.
Lebanon, Lebanon used to be a Christian country, until Syria painted the streets with their blood. Being a Christian in Lebanon is a thing for masochists these days, but if you kiss Moslem sandals a lot maybe they will be kind and allow you to guard one of their harems. Read the fine print first.Historical truth. However, it would be equivalent to saying that, oh, the Jews are out to get everyone because they were told it was okay to put this or that city in Canaan to the sword by God Himself. The last two sentences make it trolling.
They are always made more bold by their victories. It does not help when they have sympathizers in the west encouraging them. They will not suffer defeat until we fight them, openly and without sparing their Mosques.Strategy. That's the grittiness of life for one.
The Koran does qualify as incitement to hatred, as much as Mein Kampf, in fact more so. Mohammed may have been unclear and confused and self contradicting, but he was far more specific about who Moslems are supposed to kill and how they are supposed to kill them, than Hitler ever was.
It does not mean the book should be banned, everyone should read it. Especially the kind of hippie left wingers who think that “Jihad” means “A small sweet fluffy pastry served at children’s birthday parties” and so on.Under that same logic, the Torah and the Bible are also incitements to hatred (how many people did God say it was okay to kill?). Trolling.
If you are an agnostic they will still kill you. Renouncing and hating the Christians from which you came will not grant you a reprieve. Ask Ibn Warraq about that. Of course, that former Moslem, now for the most part agnostic, is in hiding from all of the “Peaceful and Benevolent Moderate Moslems” that want to kill him.My copy of the Qu'ran is five hundred kilometers away, but I do remember that renouncing one's old religion and converting to Islam is good; being one of the Faiths of the Book is better than being "heathen" or completely godless; and renouncing Islam is bad in all sorts of ways. Once one renounces Islam, one can't go back (I know it's in there, but as said previously I can't find the Surah and I'm not about to trust Teh Intarweb). So while based in fact (sort of), it's still trolling in that Moderate Muslims aren't going to try and kill any agnostics. That would hardly make them moderate, wouldn't it?
You will be fine as long as you do not try to destroy my people in their own country. If you are a Moslem you are obligated to do this. If you are not, I suggest you stop helping them before they reward the back of your neck with a Saif.I'd say "so that's where he gets it from" but the IP resolves to Denver... interesting... Unfortunately my cursory studies of the Qu'ran haven't said anything about being "obligated" to take back the Holy Land or not. The big problem is that this whole Islam/Judaism crap goes all the way back to when they were competing tribes long before they were competing religions, so everything gets all fuzzy.
Still, the Five Pillars: Faith, Prayer, Charity, Fasting, and the Hajj. Nope, not seeing "retake Jerusalem" anywhere in there.
I'll tell him to knock it off lest he not be long for these forums.
Scolopendra
16-10-2005, 02:48
Oops, already warned for this sort of thing back in July. Welcome to Deleted, population You. *click*