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Okay, I am asking a mod clarification for something that I personally find annoying (I do not know everyone else's oppinion). Jolt has a signature function. Some people have them shut off, as they can occasionally be annoying (I dont seem them as such though). What I do find annoying, is "double signatures;" that is to say, people who have a jolt-auto-signature... but then auto append one at the end of every post. My guess is that is this such that people with signatures turned off are forced to read their signature; though the poster doesn't realize they then have two signaturs. Granted, the manual-append is usually smaller and more plain than the regular, but why should a person have two? Is it possible for MOD to look into a possable fix for this? All I would think would be needed is to have people who want to manually ammend a signature not be allowed to have an auto signature... though I do not know how hard this would be to enforce.

What brought this to mind is many use the "not a mod" as their extra signature... though some do not... and I've seen that this issue is currently under a re-stress.

It's my understanding that people can put whatever the hell they want at the end of their posts, as long as it dosen't break any of the rules.

(I know you asked for mod clarification: if this annoys you, I would fully understand your asking a mod to delete it.)

The mods have before ruled that manual signatures are permitted. In fact, quite a few of them use them, particularly when they are posting in an official capacity. I can only assume, then, that however annoying it is to use both manual and auto signatures - and I agree that it is - it is permitted. I know it might irritate you, but wouldn't it also create a lot of extra and possibly non-essential work for the mods were they to have to chase around people who did this, given that it's not a technical distinction?

The mods don't add what they have in their signatures to the end of their posts though. Having someone repost the exact same thing is completely unnecessary. Why have a signature if they're going to repost it everytime anyways?

Ok, but he wasn't talking exclusively about the whole thing. He mentioned, for example, adding 'not a mod' and suchlike. I agree there's a distinction. I just feel something like this is likely too subjective to have an absolute rule on, particularly one that would necessitate such work for the mods.

From the One-Stop Rules Shop (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=416023) Thread:
Signature Spam: Forum signatures give you space to include a few carefully selected links or quotes. Sigs are attached to every post, and must therefore conform to clutter-reducing rules. Maximum size should never exceed eight lines, including blank lines and quote lines. (A short quote takes up 5 lines - "quote", attribution line, two lines for the box, and one line for the quote). Large font sizes should be avoided and may be trimmed without warning. Posting forbidden links is not allowed. Jolt policy prohibits images in signatures as well, so don't try IMG tags.

Forbidden links: There is not, and will not ever, be a definitive list of forbidden links. Since we don't control the content of other websites, a link which was fine yesterday may be forbidden today. Each link is judged on a case by case basis, and occasionally the Mods will outlaw certain sites.

* Any outlawed site is forbidden in the forums, as a signature, as a motto, as a World Factbook entry, or in any other format.

Referral Links: Posting links to "personal accounts" on websites (where you get some benefit from having multiple people click the link) is a warnable offense. This refers to Cyber-war, Outwar, plus all other variants, and even such sites as kevan.org (that dumbass zombie brain thing). They are not permitted in threads, titles, signatures, World Factbook entries, National Mottos, or anywhere else.

No, you may not put anything you like in signatures according to the guidelines, and yes, they have laid out some limits.

No, you may not put anything you like in signatures according to the guidelines, and yes, they have laid out some limits.

I think E-Xtremia knows that. He was asking about the practice of mixing manual and auto signatures...which is not mentioned in the OSRS (because, I believe, it's legal).

And other people got asking about other things, which I referenced. If I knew of a certainty about the other, I'd have linked to that, but I don't. Fair enough?

I think E-Xtremia knows that. He was asking about the practice of mixing manual and auto signatures...which is not mentioned in the OSRS (because, I believe, it's legal).It's not strictly illegal, it's just stupid and pointless.

It's not strictly illegal, it's just stupid and pointless.

Yeah, I'm not saying I approve of it, or use it, but he was asking for a legality clarification. And, evidently, it is legal. (Although from the word 'strictly' I take it that there are limits to everything.)

Well I have wanted to put in a signature, but every time I try to put a signature and an avatar or icon here it doesn't work, that's annoying i DO follow the directions too. So if you see any signature, it's going to be manual.
If you follow the given directions for a feature and it doesn't work that is so annoying, i've never been able to make multiple quotes either. That's annoying, especially when I see other people do it!

Well I have wanted to put in a signature, but every time I try to put a signature and an avatar or icon here it doesn't workYou don't get an avatar, and Jolt doesn't let you put an image in your signature.

The text in your signature, however, is showing up just fine.

(Although from the word 'strictly' I take it that there are limits to everything.)Of course. If you decide to tag a 5000 word monstrosity to the end of every post claiming it's your "signature", we're going to smack you.

Other people are doing it because the signature feature works just fine. Something you're doing with it isn't right.

As for icons and avatars, they don't have them on the NS forums, so no, they are not going to work.

Quotes? Learn how to properly use tags. There's an entire page on it here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/misc.php?do=bbcode).

Best of luck with it.

[Edit: Curses. Hack, you are too farking fast today. *grins*]

Well I have wanted to put in a signature, but every time I try to put a signature and an avatar or icon here it doesn't work, that's annoying i DO follow the directions too. So if you see any signature, it's going to be manual.
If you follow the given directions for a feature and it doesn't work that is so annoying, i've never been able to make multiple quotes either. That's annoying, especially when I see other people do it!

1. You appear to have an automatic signature...
2. We don't get avatars. People who pay/work for Jolt do; the mods get THE EYE.
3. Quote pyramiding is turned off and, as far as I know, banned. If you mean posting a series of quotes leading on from one another, then you probably shouldn't do that anyway. If you mean quoting several different posts separately in one post, then you have to do that manually, I think.

EDIT: Nathicana is equally not slow.

1. You appear to have an automatic signature...
2. We don't get avatars. People who pay/work for Jolt do; the mods get THE EYE.
3. Quote pyramiding is turned off and, as far as I know, banned. If you mean posting a series of quotes leading on from one another, then you probably shouldn't do that anyway. If you mean quoting several different posts separately in one post, then you have to do that manually, I think.

EDIT: Nathicana is equally not slow.

Does anyone on NS pay to get the avatar? Just asking.

Quote pyramids are banned? Is this a total ban, or are there some exceptions?

Oh, sorry, I thought I'd seen a ruling in the OSRS, but I can't find it now. Maybe I'm wrong. But they must be turned off for a reason.

(I don't know of any NSers who do pay. I think it's mainly the people who use Jolt's gaming facilities who do so: I've seen some in their open forums.)

Correct. Jolt grants avatar use to their paid users, and staff; including the Nationstates Moderations. In the meantime, I'm not sure if it has been properly understood here or not, but Hack has pretty much ruled that such manual signatures are fine, but utterly pointless.

--- AU's Player

It's not in the OSRS sticky because ... well, it never occured to me to have to point out all the stupid things people could do. Nor is it a big enough issue that I feel a need to spell it out now.

Hack's summary is the Official Word, as far as I'm concerned.

Correct. Jolt grants avatar use to their paid users, and staff; including the Nationstates Moderations.Some Moderators. You might notice my lack of avatar.

And no, I don't know why some of us have one and some of us don't. I've tried to get that fixed, but it's not a high priority.

(I know you asked for mod clarification: if this annoys you, I would fully understand your asking a mod to delete it.)

The mods have before ruled that manual signatures are permitted. In fact, quite a few of them use them, particularly when they are posting in an official capacity...<SNIP>Nope, that is fine... this is a case where I would be interested in other people's views. As to the MOD use of both, this makes sence... not everyone has signatures on, and it makes sure people know they are a mod.

As for others... I just think it is unneccicary. Not to name names, but when people put their name in a manual signature... just seems really uneeded. However, if MOD says it is okay, I guess I'll just have to live with it... thanks to Hack and Fris for your collective time.

As to the MOD use of both, this makes sence... not everyone has signatures on, and it makes sure people know they are a mod.Well, I only add the old Mod Signature when I want people to be absolutely, no doubt about it, 100% clear that I'm speaking in an official capacity. Usually, this is when I'm handing out bans or warning that a ban is very likely to happen. You'll also note that I turn off my standard signature when I use the manual one, to make it more official-like.

(I also turn it off when posting IC, but that's neither here nor there)

As for others... I just think it is unneccicary. Not to name names, but when people put their name in a manual signature... just seems really uneeded.There's a lot of stuff that happens here that's unnecessary...

Some Moderators. You might notice my lack of avatar.

And no, I don't know why some of us have one and some of us don't. I've tried to get that fixed, but it's not a high priority.

Interesting. My first thoughts would be for the fact that some Moderators seem to have a slightly different 'tag' than others. Judging from my past experience of forming usergroups, my own understanding would be that such would be within Jolt's background settings.

For example, Nationstates Moderator Team might say; "Allow Avatars: No"; but Nationstates Forum Moderator might be "Allow Avatars: Yes". Same for Karma, I think -- doesnt he have "Nationstates Modsquad as his own tag?. But regardless, I'm sure you'll find this would be your grievance. And the solution, would be to contact Jolt Administration, of which I hear are quite "unreachable". :-/

Nevermind, although I think it would be yet another way of distinguishing Moderator from Player, for those who cant read.

Manual signatures may be useless, stupid, and uninformative, but I see no reason to illegalize them.

~The Libertarian Concordance of Czardas~
NS General Sarcazm Master

Manual signatures may be useless, stupid, and uninformative, but I see no reason to illegalize them.
* illegalizes them *

* inadvertantly shuts down International Incidents and General as a by-product of removing "useless, stupid, and uninformative". *



It's a joke, son. I say again, it's a joke

* illegalizes them *

* inadvertantly shuts down International Incidents and General as a by-product of removing "useless, stupid, and uninformative". *

I'm not so sure that was inadvertent... :p

* illegalizes them *

* inadvertantly shuts down International Incidents and General as a by-product of removing "useless, stupid, and uninformative". *
Actually, there's some real quality matter on II and General, like the NS General Election and the vast majority of RPs I participate in... :p

~The Libertarian Con... ok, ok, whatever! Sheesh! *stalks off muttering to himself