NationStates Jolt Archive

I think the main FAQ should be changed. While it mentions the fact that one person may not have multiple Nations in the UN it does not state clearly that multiple people using a single PC will be barred with no warning.

I think it's a bad rule that is being over zealously enforced but at least make it clearer to new people joining the game what the restrictions are.

Not gonna happen. The mods can't change the FAQ; the admin would have to, and they won't. They've said as much a number of times. I don't see the rule being changed, either, as there's no way to distinguish one person with several UN nations versus several people with one UN nation on one machine.

The cheat sweeps are VERY thorough. If they ban someone from the UN, there's reason to believe they're cheating. Yes, innocent people sometimes get hit, but it can't be helped.

I'd hazzard a guess that more innocent people than cheats are being ejected. Especially new users who are not clear on the rules. Given that it's not that clear in the FAQ and that won't be changed then the moderators should relax their application of the rules. At least give more warning (and the warning could make it clear about multiple users on a single computer).

Many people say it's hard luck on the innocent but I think that's a cop out. We all hate cheats but I think the moderators need to be more balanced in their approach.

I think the main FAQ should be changed. While it mentions the fact that one person may not have multiple Nations in the UN it does not state clearly that multiple people using a single PC will be barred with no warning.

I have more than one nation. Can they all join the UN?

No. You may only have one nation in the UN at any given time. To enforce this, UN member nations must supply an e-mail address.

Since there is no sensible way we could determine if one, two, ten or thirty million people were logging in from a given computer, logic would suggest 'you' in this sense refers to all users of a given computer.

The rules won't be relaxed, since if 'having children' excuses you following them, a lot of our griefers and UN multies will suddenly and magically begin to reproduce. It's a harsh rule, but a necessary one. If you're telling the truth, one of your kids can make a new UN nation and they can share.

I'd hazzard a guess that more innocent people than cheats are being ejected.

I've never seen someone succesfully challenge being banned from the UN (There was a case of a warning being issued recently, that was successfully challenged, but that wasn't an outright banning). That's by way of reiterating that the UN multi sweeps are very thorough. I'm aware of a few of the ways the Mods check for multis (though by no means all, or even most) and you'd be hard pressed to dupe all of the ones I know about at the same time.

If the mods eject someone from the UN, it's because they have evidence that the person was breaking the rules. I won't pretend to speak for them, but I've seen them say all this and more countless times in this forum.


Especially new users who are not clear on the rules. Given that it's not that clear in the FAQ and that won't be changed then the moderators should relax their application of the rules. At least give more warning (and the warning could make it clear about multiple users on a single computer).


As GMC posted above, the language seems pretty clear to me.


Many people say it's hard luck on the innocent but I think that's a cop out. We all hate cheats but I think the moderators need to be more balanced in their approach.


The mods aren't here to be balanced. They're here to enforce the rules. This kind of balance would only make that harder, by giving rules-breakers loopholes, increasing the time it takes for mods to act on an incident, and generally adding to the headache that is modly existence. No one wins.

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I have more than one nation. Can they all join the UN?

No. You may only have one nation in the UN at any given time. To enforce this, UN member nations must supply an e-mail address.
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This shows my point about it being unclear. It says UN member nations must supply an e-mail address. It doesn't say they can't operate from a single computer. I don't see how anyone reading this would think 'you' refers to a single computer. It's the clarity that's lacking.

Of course my kids can start a new Nation. I don't know if they will. They're currently quite attached to the ones they have as, so far as I know, they have just one each. Whether or not I'm telling the truth about my kids the ruling is still not clear. I'm also quite new to the game so I don't know the history of individuals using multiple Nations in the UN but I'm sure we're not the only ones that have been affected by this.

I can feel this going full circle. Can't someone just change the FAQ to make it clearer to new users?

This has been covered more than adequately in this post here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9708211&postcount=6) in the other thread you created and got your answers in on this topic. I would think that as an adult with children your comprehension skills would be sufficient to get the point.

You cannot operate multiple UN nations from one computer. Period. They do not allow it and lack any reliable way to tell the difference between different users, and multi-abusers.

These things are covered in the additional stickies, in detail. The fact you or your kids didn't read them doesn't excuse it, nor does the fact you choose to ignore them now, one would think.

No, I'm not a mod, thanks (for those who think I might be trying to speak as one), but I am a player who gets tired of the 'applies to everyone but me because I have a valid excuse' arguments that get posted here all the time. Frankly, surprised one of the mods didn't point out that they'd already covered this with you - then again, they do have hundreds of threads they keep track of every day.

People offered you alternatives, such as creating a new nation that all three could use in the UN. Not ideal, no, but at least it's something. I know several people who share a nation for one reason or other, and it hasn't curtailed their enjoyment of the game. I'm sorry this inconveniences you and your kids, but this is simply how things are. Adapt and live, neh?

Or keep on wasting time grumbling to no avail. Your choice.

I'm pretty sure the admin have said changes could be made to the FAQ, but that it's a very low priority.

Given that there are only 2 links to the forums that I could find (under RP and the UN proposals), it seems quite easy for people to not find their way to the forums and have no idea that they should be restricted to one UN, one computer.

Since it's really easy to create another nation and put that one in the UN, I'm not trying to say the current rules should be changed or modified in any way, but absolutely expecting people to somehow *know* they're supposed to visit the forums to learn the complete ruleset seems kinda absurd.

People don't necessarily think beyond the rules given to them. It makes perfect sense to me now why people are restricted to one computer, but it's also really easy to see how new players would simply make sure they used different emails for each person and then go merrily on their way, thinking they weren't doing anything wrong.

Adding a link to Moderation or the OSRS would be nice and helpful to players in the future.

The point is, Erastide, that while links to the stickies would be a nice thing (and a needful one, I would think, considering all the solid information in them), this person has since BEEN linked to them, and informed on the policy, and yet continues to go on about it like they deserve some special consideration.

After all, for all we know no 'loving mother and 3 sons' exists in this situation. That's kind of the point - it can't be proved. That's why things are the way they are.

Yes, it should be made more clear in the FAQ's. It doesn't change that this person has been answered, and for all the time they've been fighting multies, the policy has not changed, and all indications have been that they are not likely to.

Looking at their join date and their initial post, I seriously doubt he's read the countless threads of people complaining and arguing over the years. All the post really seems to say is they think it would be helpful. There's a bit of frustration, but it's not really a rant against the mods and the awful policy, just a suggestion that could help future players.