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My 3 sons have been ejected from the UN. I assume this is because they share a computer and therefore somehow look to the game like one person. Can they be reinstated? How can we avoid this happening again when they share a computer? Their nations are:

Wivy
Calinnor
Skytzos

Loosing UN status has reduced their enjoyment of the game.

Unfortunately, we have no way to tell between three seperate people with three seperate UN nations on one computer, and one person with three seperate UN nations on one computer. The latter is multi-ing, and reduces the enjoyment of other people of the game.

So while I have no reason to disbelieve you, unfortunately the nations cannot be reinstated to the UN - it would open the door for every Thomas, Richard and Harold who wished to to create multiple UN nations, and claim that these belonged to their three, or four, or eleventy billion sons.

Thus the rule is one computer = one UN nation.

Sorry 'bout that,

~ Tsar the Mod.

I'm afraid they're screwed-- the mods can't tell from this end whether there's more than one person or not. Not calling you a liar, just pointing this out-- anyone can claim to have a brother or sister or cousin or so forth that also has a Nationstates nation, and in 99.999999999% of cases there's no way to verify their claim.

edit: Beaten >.<

Could one of them at least be reinstated. At the moment they're all barred! Preferably the bar at least lifted from all three. If they understand the rules then they can decide between them who rejoins. It's certainly not clear from the FAQ that the rule is one computer=one UN Nation. It indicates one UN Nation per person.

Personally I think it's a poor rule and it should be one nation one vote. The current rule certainly works against families. That's probably a topic for another thread though.

Unless all your sons find all their fun in invading or defending regions, Bennark, they're not that badly off. It's an inconvenience, not a tragedy.

They can still do UN-related things without being in the UN. If they like debating, there's no reason they can't still join debates, even UN debates. Their arguments can still sway votes.

Being non-members will mean their nations won't be affected by UN decisions, either. Some players see that as such an advantage that they leave the UN voluntarily.

They can have armies and fight wars or have diplomats and finagle peace, regardless of their status.

This is not a Mod statement. This is a parent statement. Us parents gotta stick together.

(Edit -- I wrote this before I saw your latest post, Bennark. I was just trying to reassure you that things aren't always as bad as kids say they are.)

Personally I think it's a poor rule and it should be one nation one vote. The current rule certainly works against families. That's probably a topic for another thread though.
That thread's been written. Ejected from the UN? Here's why (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=274575). Until we all get personal computers implanted in our skulls, there is still no way for us to tell whether it's one person or ten sitting behind the keyboard. Sorry, but that's just how it is.
']The United Nations is getting much tougher on people who break the "one player, one UN member nation" rule. If you have been ejected from the UN, warned, or deleted, this explains why.

Q: I didn't know it was against the rules to have multiple UN member nations.
A: It is mentioned in the FAQ (see: "United Nations"). Also, when you receive your invitation e-mail from the UN, it clearly spells out the penalties for breaching this rule. Not paying attention to this is not an excuse.

Q: I wasn't cheating! I only have one UN member nation. Your game got it wrong.
A: This is possible, but unlikely. The game uses four different methods to detect if the same person is operating multiple UN members. These methods include IP address tracking and login pattern detection. If your nation was deleted, the game gathered very strong evidence that it was being operated from the same location as other UN members on multiple occasions.

Q: My friends operate those other UN member nations. We all share the same computer.
A: I'm sorry if that's the case. There is no way for the game to tell how many people are on the other end of a computer. For this reason, breaches of UN rules involving only two members are usually punished with expulsion, not deletion.

However, please note this important point: we cannot take your word on how many people are really behind your computer. This is not because you are untrustworthy, it's simply that otherwise there is no way to enforce the UN rules.

Q: But that's not fair!
A: True, and again, I'm sorry if you and your friends have been punished unjustly. However, this is the closest we can come to fair. If we accepted people's explanations that they were using a public computer with their friends, we would have to let people create as many UN nations as they like. This would destroy the whole point of the UN.

The line has to be drawn somewhere, and thus, fair or not, the rule must stand.

They have created their own region and were just enjoying the fun of voting at the UN and trying to be the regional delegate. It's a part of the game but not the whole game. Unfortunately they're all now blocked from the voting part of it.

One of them could start a new nation and join the UN, and as this one nation could be used by all three...

I'd have to say that the above post is the best way to go. Something similar happenned to me and a friend of mine, so that's what we did.

yes, thats a good idea. i have two nations of my own and one nation me and two friends are running together..it's quite some fun actually as you'll start debates among each other on how issues are to be decided and such..it can be a lot more interesting than having a nation by yourself.