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What exactly was up with this?

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Received: 7 days ago You have been banned from the forums for a period of 24 hours for posting on behalf of the forumbanned player 'FairyTinkArisen.'

It is unacceptable for a player to post on behalf of another player who is serving a forumban; do not do so in future or you will recieve a forumban of the same length.

What was the message in question that got me a ban in the first place?

you got banned? how'd i miss this? (now i want to know what you said for tink, too) :confused:

Weren't you posting in that football thread for Tink?

What exactly was up with this?



What was the message in question that got me a ban in the first place?

I know I shouldn't speculate, but I think you can decide for yourself if this was the post:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9631289#post9631289

It is posted about 7 days ago. I believe it was also offtopic.

I know I shouldn't speculate, but I think you can decide for yourself if this was the post:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=9631289#post9631289

It is posted about 7 days ago. I believe it was also offtopic.
Off topic!-Well thats irrelevant to the issue.

Weren't you posting in that football thread for Tink?

Looking through, it was almost certainly that which earned you a ban; the 'Tink's guesses' sections imply you were posting on behalf of a forumbanned player. This is very much against the rules.

I got a question, can a ForumBanned nation still peruse the Forums as long as [s]he doesn't post?

I got a question, can a ForumBanned nation still peruse the Forums as long as [s]he doesn't post?

I think there's really no way to stop that, actually. You don't even have to log on to view the forums. And my understanding is they don't really care.

I got a question, can a ForumBanned nation still peruse the Forums as long as [s]he doesn't post?
Yes. I believe they have to be logged out, though. Could be wrong - I've never been forumbanned, for some odd reason.

Yes. I believe they have to be logged out, though. Could be wrong - I've never been forumbanned, for some odd reason.
I wonder why...

Looking through, it was almost certainly that which earned you a ban; the 'Tink's guesses' sections imply you were posting on behalf of a forumbanned player. This is very much against the rules.
Ok if thats the case why was it only me that got Banned?
-In relation to posting her picks?

...because she was already banned.

If you prefer, we can reban her.

...because she was already banned.

If you prefer, we can reban her.
See there is no need to be so immature you should know better.

I wasnt talking about Tink obviously she couldn't post her selections.

I am talking about another who evidently did the same as i yet at the time i was not aware they had posted what i was to post.

Why didnt they get Banned?

Oh, please. Don't provide us with links or anything to verify your claim.

Why didnt they get Banned?

See the various recent statements that the moderation staff are not omnipotent. They probably just weren't spotted doing it, and you were.

Oh, please. Don't provide us with links or anything to verify your claim.
Oh dont worry i've got evidence i was just waiting for 'you' to slip up!

See the various recent statements that the moderation staff are not omnipotent. They probably just weren't spotted doing it, and you were.
Ah destroying the evidence i see (changing what you posted).
May i inquire about what you had posted?

Oh dont worry i've got evidence i was just waiting for 'you' to slip up!


Ah destroying the evidence i see (changing what you posted).
May i inquire about what you had posted?

One, I'm not sure how implicating other posters does anything to suggest your innocence or to refute your ban. Two, I'm not sure how be snarky to the mods accomplishes this either. Do you have a goal here other than aggravating the mods and whoever the other poster is that you're talking about? I simply don't see what benefit you get from these posts.

Oh dont worry i've got evidence i was just waiting for 'you' to slip up!

If you have evidence, post it, and we'll take the necessary steps. If not, you can quit running your mouth. Like GMC said, we're not omnipotent. You can't expect us to act upon everything if we don't see it, or don't have the evidence to prove something. Your snide attitude and refusal to actually give us your 'evidence' isn't helping your case.

One, I'm not sure how implicating other posters does anything to suggest your innocence or to refute your ban. Two, I'm not sure how be snarky to the mods accomplishes this either. Do you have a goal here other than aggravating the mods and whoever the other poster is that you're talking about? I simply don't see what benefit you get from these posts.
Im not suggesting my innocence i was just asking what was the offending post.
I then asked if it was that post in question.
Then if it was why was it only me that got punished.
Im pretty sure they were snarky first.
I just want some straight answers Jocabia.

You will give your links or you will cease posting in this thread. We have little patience for unsubstantiated claims and accusations of conspiracy or random bias. Attempting to shift the focus from your lack of evidence to GMC's fixing of typos doesn't help you in the slightest.

If you have the evidence, post it.

If you don't have the evidence, there's no reason for this thread to remain open.

If you have the evidence and don't include it in your very next post, there's no reason for this thread to remain open.

Im not suggesting my innocence i was just asking what was the offending post.
I then asked if it was that post in question.
Then if it was why was it only me that got punished.
Im pretty sure they were snarky first.
I just want some straight answers Jocabia.

You got an answer. GMC answered you here -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9681952&postcount=6

You then asked why not anyone else here -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9686875&postcount=11

Now, I don't know if you frequent the mod forums much, but that gets asked a lot. And I'm fairly certain it annoys the mods. Why? Because it's kind of a childish question.

"Why didn't little jimmy get in trouble too? He was doing it too."
And what do your teachers, parents, mods always answer, "We didn't see little Jimmy doing it. Whether little Jimmy gets in trouble is not really your problem, now is it?"
And you reply, "but if he didn't get in trouble, why did I?"
At which point, your parents, teachers, mods get tired of the whining and say, "Look, just worry about you and not about little Jimmy, okay? If you want to stay out of trouble then don't break the rules. Jimmy getting in trouble doesn't help you, now does it?"

The problem is the mods have a thousand or so children and it gets tiresome, so they are sometimes less than patient. So one of them told you to get to the point and support your assertion or drop it. Was it curt? Sure. But it doesn't warrant you calling them childish or whatever your post said before it was edited (if that part was edited).

A little question you might ask before posting to the mod forum either in starting a thread or replying is will my post here help anyone, even if it's only by showing my appreciation? If the answer is no, then don't post. The mods work here for free to help our experience on the forums and in the game be a better one. Save them the time and the headache (which oftentimes will become your headache as well) and complain to your buddy on AIM rather than complaining here.

Now, you can say that you were just trying to find out why you were banned but you got your answer, you just didn't like it.

Is that a straight enough answer for you?

Jocabia (not a mod)

You will give your links or you will cease posting in this thread. We have little patience for unsubstantiated claims and accusations of conspiracy or random bias. Attempting to shift the focus from your lack of evidence to GMC's fixing of typos doesn't help you in the slightest.

If you have the evidence, post it.

If you don't have the evidence, there's no reason for this thread to remain open.

If you have the evidence and don't include it in your very next post, there's no reason for this thread to remain open.
Hey my computers just been on the clap for the last 40 minutes.
Im not shifting nothing.
So it was a typo thats ok then as long as it wasnt something else.
I am aware everyone makes mistakes.

I am not about ratting people out and do not want any action taken against them i just wanted to know what got me in the trouble and when it was
then everything that resulted from that happened.

I have evidence here it is.....
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9621986&postcount=98

so simply if http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9625807&postcount=101 is a problem why wasnt this http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9621986&postcount=98?

You got an answer. GMC answered you here -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9681952&postcount=6

You then asked why not anyone else here -
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9686875&postcount=11

Now, I don't know if you frequent the mod forums much, but that gets asked a lot. And I'm fairly certain it annoys the mods. Why? Because it's kind of a childish question.
Its not childish and it is a fair enough question.
"Why didn't little jimmy get in trouble too? He was doing it too."
And what do your teachers, parents, mods always answer, "We didn't see little Jimmy doing it. Whether little Jimmy gets in trouble is not really your problem, now is it?"
And you reply, "but if he didn't get in trouble, why did I?"
At which point, your parents, teachers, mods get tired of the whining and say, "Look, just worry about you and not about little Jimmy, okay? If you want to stay out of trouble then don't break the rules. Jimmy getting in trouble doesn't help you, now does it?"
Actually no you sem to be getting the Law and Justice confused picking and choosing who,when,where or whatever i damn well choose to moderate against is wrong-If thats what you are implying.
Justice on the other hand is fair and even handed.
Once again i a'int going on about passing the buck i wanted to know which post.-anything else is a follow on.
The problem is the mods have a thousand or so children and it gets tiresome, so they are sometimes less than patient. So one of them told you to get to the point and support your assertion or drop it. Was it curt? Sure. But it doesn't warrant you calling them childish or whatever your post said before it was edited (if that part was edited).
Maybe thats the problem if you think the mods should be treating us like children you need to have a think.
Actually it was only a measly http://70.85.81.229/3630/189/emo/blat.gif
A little question you might ask before posting to the mod forum either in starting a thread or replying is will my post here help anyone, even if it's only by showing my appreciation? If the answer is no, then don't post. The mods work here for free to help our experience on the forums and in the game be a better one. Save them the time and the headache (which oftentimes will become your headache as well) and complain to your buddy on AIM rather than complaining here.
It would help me to know what i apparently did wrong so yes it does help.
-It helps me.
Giving me a ban for posting that dosent help anyone i dont gripe about other stuff i was just asking a question and expecting a straight answer.
Are you suggesting the Mods get an Apprecitaon thread and for it to be made in Moderation?
Now, you can say that you were just trying to find out why you were banned but you got your answer, you just didn't like it.
Incorrect almost certainly isnt a definitive answer thats why it needed to be pushed further.
Is that a straight enough answer for you?

Jocabia (not a mod)
Obviously it isnt as i have replied to your post.
i am aware you are not a mod
Harlesburg[not a Mod (here)]

If you have evidence, post it, and we'll take the necessary steps. If not, you can quit running your mouth. Like GMC said, we're not omnipotent. You can't expect us to act upon everything if we don't see it, or don't have the evidence to prove something. Your snide attitude and refusal to actually give us your 'evidence' isn't helping your case.
Done
The question is if it was that post is it possible that 'they' missed it just like i did?

Its not childish and it is a fair enough question.

Everyone always says that, but in reality it comes down to you don't think it's fair. Maybe you're unaware but things aren't always fair. The primary reason is that we all, even the mods, lack omnipotence. If the mods don't see a transgression they can hardly act on it. You pointing out that they missed doesn't encourage them to retract your ban or better explain your ban, it asks them to take action against the other poster (which you claim to not want). You were already told the most likely reason why they didn't do anything to the other poster. They didn't see it.

See the various recent statements that the moderation staff are not omnipotent. They probably just weren't spotted doing it, and you were.

Actually no you sem to be getting the Law and Justice confused picking and choosing who,when,where or whatever i damn well choose to moderate against is wrong-If thats what you are implying.
Justice on the other hand is fair and even handed.
Once again i a'int going on about passing the buck i wanted to know which post.-anything else is a follow on.

They already told you that they most likely didn't see the other poster (as at the time they couldn't confirm because you gave no link) and this was why they didn't react. That's the point. Justice isn't always fair and even-handed, it only tries to be. Given the necessary human component of justice, it isn't, hasn't ever been and never will be perfect.

I'm not suggesting that you are in any way childish, but expecting for law or rule enforcement to ever be completely fair and even-handed is. Part of becoming an adult is remembering that referees, judges, parents, mods, and everyone else ever in a position to take part in justice is fallible. The fact that they didn't catch someone else committing the same act as you doesn't excuse you or make their punishment wrong. It just shows they're fallible.

Maybe thats the problem if you think the mods should be treating us like children you need to have a think.
Actually it was only a measly http://70.85.81.229/3630/189/emo/blat.gif

I think the mods should treat us accordingly. If we act as adults and respect that they can't be everwhere and adjudicate everything, then they will treat us accordingly. If we act as children and suggest that they are "choosing who, what, where or whatever they damn well choose to moderate" when they miss someone's rulebreaking well then you'll find they'll often treat you with only slightly more respect than you're showing them (which is hardly any). Are you suggesting anything less than perfect enforcement of the rules on NS amounts to biased moderating? Certainly, if you're actually a mod on another site you understand the impossibility of that suggestion.

It would help me to know what i apparently did wrong so yes it does help.
-It helps me.

You were told by GMC what you did wrong nearly fifteen posts ago. That wasn't good enough for you. You didn't ask for further explanation. You complained that it wasn't fair that you were punished and someone unnamed got away with it.

Giving me a ban for posting that dosent help anyone i dont gripe about other stuff i was just asking a question and expecting a straight answer.
Are you suggesting the Mods get an Apprecitaon thread and for it to be made in Moderation?

It was a fair question. No one has suggested your initial post was anything other than fair. You got a straight answer. Your reply was to indicate that their decision was unfair because someone else didn't get punished and you did. You did this without including any actual evidence, but even if you had, to what end? Now, you've posted proof. You don't want the person you posted about to be banned, so what are you hoping for as an outcome? That was my point. If you got your answer and you don't want the other person to be banned, what do you want? An Apology? Nothing to apologize for. They aren't omnipotent. Them to admit they aren't perfect? Already done earlier in the thread. Them to overturn the ruling? Not going to happen. You broke a rule. You got caught. That someone else got away with it, is only evidence that the mods, though we can't actually see them, are flesh and blood, just like you and I.

In answer to question, no. I was just saying that in addition to posting useful information, it doesn't hurt to say thank you (so I qualified my statement to not exclude that).

Incorrect almost certainly isnt a definitive answer thats why it needed to be pushed further.

You didn't ask for or wait for a more definite answer. You asked why they didn't ban someone else. If you were looking for a more clear answer a good way to get that is, "Would you mind checking to see what specifically I was banned for since you appear unsure?"

Obviously it isnt as i have replied to your post.
i am aware you are not a mod
Harlesburg[not a Mod (here)]
Just so I can be sure of what your issue is that you want them to deal with. You want them to be just, as you've defined it, meaning absolutely fair and even-handed at all times. I'm not a moderator but I can most certainly tell you the outcome of that request. It's impossible. They do their best. They aren't even paid with it. I think it would be perfectly fair if instead of being patient while people bitch because one gets caught breaking a rule and they enforce it (while someone else inevitably gets a free pass simply because of time constraints), they required us to start every thread with the sentence, "Before I post here, I'd like to thank you for donating your time to help me and all of my friends here on NS enjoy your forums and game."

Sorry, mods. I'm certain this wasn't the most appropriate post I've ever posted, but suggested that anything less than perfect fairness and even-handedness from a group of human beings is evidence that decisions are being handing down willy-nilly is simply ridiculous.

Everyone always says that, but in reality it comes down to you don't think it's fair. Maybe you're unaware but things aren't always fair. The primary reason is that we all, even the mods, lack omnipotence. If the mods don't see a transgression they can hardly act on it. You pointing out that they missed doesn't encourage them to retract your ban or better explain your ban, it asks them to take action against the other poster (which you claim to not want). You were already told the most likely reason why they didn't do anything to the other poster. They didn't see it.
Exactly they cant give me my 24 hours(Actually 40) back can they.
But in the case that if it was that post that got me a ban why didnt they the issue is was it definatly posting Tinks picks that got me a ban the answer hasnt been given.
It hasnt been confirmed.

They already told you that they most likely didn't see the other poster (as at the time they couldn't confirm because you gave no link) and this was why they didn't react. That's the point. Justice isn't always fair and even-handed, it only tries to be. Given the necessary human component of justice, it isn't, hasn't ever been and never will be perfect.
Absodoodle but dont say or imply Justice and Law are the same.
I'm not suggesting that you are in any way childish, but expecting for law or rule enforcement to ever be completely fair and even-handed is. Part of becoming an adult is remembering that referees, judges, parents, mods, and everyone else ever in a position to take part in justice is fallible. The fact that they didn't catch someone else committing the same act as you doesn't excuse you or make their punishment wrong. It just shows they're fallible.
Once again they havent replied since the link has been provided so we dont know that.
I think the mods should treat us accordingly. If we act as adults and respect that they can't be everwhere and adjudicate everything, then they will treat us accordingly. If we act as children and suggest that they are "choosing who, what, where or whatever they damn well choose to moderate" when they miss someone's rulebreaking well then you'll find they'll often treat you with only slightly more respect than you're showing them (which is hardly any). Are you suggesting anything less than perfect enforcement of the rules on NS amounts to biased moderating? Certainly, if you're actually a mod on another site you understand the impossibility of that suggestion.
But i wasnt banned for that and if what i did got me a ban that certainly wasnt childish so i dont thin i got be accused of acting like a CHILD.
Nope i am not suggesting that.
But i had never heard of this ruling before.
You were told by GMC what you did wrong nearly fifteen posts ago. That wasn't good enough for you. You didn't ask for further explanation. You complained that it wasn't fair that you were punished and someone unnamed got away with it.
Incorrect it wasnt a definitive answer they said almost certainly thats like nearly definatly which leaves room for an unknown i have asked for clarification and none has arrived yet.

It was a fair question. No one has suggested your initial post was anything other than fair. You got a straight answer. Your reply was to indicate that their decision was unfair because someone else didn't get punished and you did. You did this without including any actual evidence, but even if you had, to what end? Now, you've posted proof. You don't want the person you posted about to be banned, so what are you hoping for as an outcome? That was my point. If you got your answer and you don't want the other person to be banned, what do you want? An Apology? Nothing to apologize for. They aren't omnipotent. Them to admit they aren't perfect? Already done earlier in the thread. Them to overturn the ruling? Not going to happen. You broke a rule. You got caught. That someone else got away with it, is only evidence that the mods, though we can't actually see them, are flesh and blood, just like you and I.
They havent definatly said it was that once again ....

Looking through, it was almost certainly[U] that which earned you a ban; the 'Tink's guesses' sections imply you were posting on behalf of a forumbanned player. This is very much against the rules.

In answer to question, no. I was just saying that in addition to posting useful information, it doesn't hurt to say thank you (so I qualified my statement to not exclude that).
They would/will most certainly get a Thankyou when i get the answer.
However
Mods i apologies for not saying please.
You didn't ask for or wait for a more definite answer. You asked why they didn't ban someone else. If you were looking for a more clear answer a good way to get that is, "Would you mind checking to see what specifically I was banned for since you appear unsure?"
I actually think this is another way of asking that very question.
So if that was the reason for my ban why.Ok if thats the case why was it only me that got Banned?
-In relation to posting her picks?


Just so I can be sure of what your issue is that you want them to deal with. You want them to be just, as you've defined it, meaning absolutely fair and even-handed at all times. I'm not a moderator but I can most certainly tell you the outcome of that request. It's impossible. They do their best. They aren't even paid with it. I think it would be perfectly fair if instead of being patient while people bitch because one gets caught breaking a rule and they enforce it (while someone else inevitably gets a free pass simply because of time constraints), they required us to start every thread with the sentence, "Before I post here, I'd like to thank you for donating your time to help me and all of my friends here on NS enjoy your forums and game."

Sorry, mods. I'm certain this wasn't the most appropriate post I've ever posted, but suggested that anything less than perfect fairness and even-handedness from a group of human beings is evidence that decisions are being handing down willy-nilly is simply ridiculous.
Im sure it could be arranged.
I am still waiting for them to say yes it was that post now that we have seen the evidence that you have provided we can safely say that is the case.

Im not shifting nothing.Countering a request for specific links with "Hey! You edited your post! Conspiracy!" is shifting.

I am not about ratting people out and do not want any action taken against themActually, this doesn't parse in the slightest. Defending yourself by claiming another person wasn't punished demands that either you be 'unpunished', or the other person suffers the same fate. Consequently, '-Verbatim-' has been banned for 1 day. Just like you were. Fair's fair.

i just wanted to know what got me in the trouble and when it was
then everything that resulted from that happened.You were told:
Weren't you posting in that football thread for Tink?Looking through, it was almost certainly that which earned you a ban; the 'Tink's guesses' sections imply you were posting on behalf of a forumbanned player. This is very much against the rules.You then ceased trying to find out why you were banned, and tried to argue justification. Unfortunately, you -- aparently -- don't want to admit that's what you're doing.

Your request for "straight answers" is thus quite curious, since you received quite the straight answer in Post #6. You then decided to argue with Jocabia as opposed to giving me links. It was only after I threatened to lock the thread that you finally came up with a link (and then continued to argue with Jocabia, which I see you are continuing to do even as I write this).

Ah destroying the evidence i see (changing what you posted).
May i inquire about what you had posted?

I'd posted a long and detailled account of my plan to build a time machine out of otter fur, discarded silverware, shoes and haggis, in order to go back in time and assassinate JFK ten minutes earlier so the Lee Harvey Oswald could settle down at the time-machine bar with John Wilkes-Booth and have a pint instead of being shot by JR out of Dallas.

Unfortunately, I read the new Harry Potter book, finding out the big secret at the end [Snape shoots JFK], and since I'm no match for a wizard, I decided to edit my post.

It wasn't just to fix a typo or something normal like that.

*forumbans Fris*

Just for scientific purposes, of course....

*whacks GMC for posting spoilers*

Bad Kitty...

Your request for "straight answers" is thus quite curious, since you received quite the straight answer in Post #6. You then decided to argue with Jocabia as opposed to giving me links. It was only after I threatened to lock the thread that you finally came up with a link (and then continued to argue with Jocabia, which I see you are continuing to do even as I write this).
I came up with a link because i was asked for one seeing as it hadnt been established if that was the offending post how could i possibly link it?

Not at all 'almost certainly' implies some doubt but seeing you have come to the conclusion that it was definatly that post i thankyou.

I'd posted a long and detailled account of my plan to build a time machine out of otter fur, discarded silverware, shoes and haggis, in order to go back in time and assassinate JFK ten minutes earlier so the Lee Harvey Oswald could settle down at the time-machine bar with John Wilkes-Booth and have a pint instead of being shot by JR out of Dallas.

Unfortunately, I read the new Harry Potter book, finding out the big secret at the end [Snape shoots JFK], and since I'm no match for a wizard, I decided to edit my post.

It wasn't just to fix a typo or something normal like that.
AH ha i knew it.
In seriousness id already said this.
"So it was a typo thats ok then as long as it wasnt something else.
I am aware everyone makes mistakes."

Once again Thanks you Mods for being so helpful.

Jocabia you obviously missed the point.