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http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442863

You know, I don't care for a moment what these people do, but I was wondering something that may be pretty touchy. I've been thinking about all the 'gay pride' and homosexual awareness things around here, in light of the 'homosexual liberation' in recent (internet) times some folks kind of dislike all this. They have the full right to do so, and I am not ashamed to say I am one of them. This has nothing to do with homophobia, this is a matter of religious motives or social matters or perhaps both. If an LGBT community/region/group/clan is allowed, is a direct opposite, such as an anti-LGBT allowed, or something in the lines of 'Straight and Proud' or '100% Hetrosexual'? I'd like a serious answer on this, since it seems gayness (a proven minority of the worlds population) finds they have more right to display pride of their sexuality.

PS: Can these two posts be deleted?
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9594068&postcount=3
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=9598321&postcount=4

PPS:
Thread move. Probably to Gameplay.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=442960

Thanks

I think the problem with threads like the ones you suggested is the fact they often turn into some form of trolling/flamebait/flaming. I was going to post some kind of debate/discussion, but I realise Moderation isn't the place for it, but that's just my non-Mod view of the situation.

Well, while actually being an LGBT-Rights supporter, I do agree that if you're going to have one you pretty much have to have the other. However, as Anti LGBT would be *most likely* filled with flaming - eg "i hate faggz lollololol :mp5: " if you know what I mean, LGBT groups seem to have the moral high ground (In these circumstances) If there *are* pro LGBT regions out there, it's much like the old "Anti Communist Alliance 1989" etc regions, as there was communist regions. Therefore, I must say, even if it is promoting hate, it is being "baited" in the sense of the word. If you *Really* hate a song, and someone is playing that song, and they know you hate it - then it's baiting right? It's essentially the same except less trivial.

My opinions are divided. But you must have both, not one or the other. If NS is an anti-hate site, then at least make sure the haters aren't baited.

I mean, who walks down the streets of America wearing a Union-Jack shirt shouting "DAMN COLONIALS!?" and doesn't expect to be at least insulted?

It all comes down to the intent of the person really. Gay Pride threads/regions/etc are expected to not insult others, just as 'Straight and Proud' would be, though its much easier to break the rules by creating a 'Straight and Proud' thread/region/etc because of the fact that it generally leads to insults towards those who aren't straight.

If you can manage to create something similar to "Straight and Proud" with respect towards Gay Pride (Gay Pride would be expected to do the same, have respect towards those who are 'Straight and Proud'), there's nothing wrong with it, just be extra careful of what you say.

I think it's funny how this is portrayed as not being homophobic, as if somehow the "religious" or "societal" reason given for it would be anything else, but then the question asks if "anti-LGBT" would be allowed. Pro-LGBT is not anti-Hetero, so I don't understand why anyone would like to start "anti-LGBT."

If you can make your "pro-Straight" group be just that, "pro-Straight" instead of anti-LGBT, then I will have no problems with it. I still won't understand why you'd like to start that group at all, though, as everything already is "pro-Straight" by default in society anyway and there really is a needless redundancy in such a group... unless you just want to spite gay people and create another venue for you to tell us how wrong we are?

If you can make your "pro-Straight" group be just that, "pro-Straight" instead of anti-LGBT, then I will have no problems with it. I still won't understand why you'd like to start that group at all, though, as everything already is "pro-Straight" by default in society anyway and there really is a needless redundancy in such a group... unless you just want to spite gay people and create another venue for you to tell us how wrong we are?

The only time I could ever see a "pro-straight' group being created without being offensive to gay pride is if there was a discussion of what they liked about the opposite sex, which really doesn't seem too bad at all.

You know, I don't care for a moment what these people do, but I was wondering something that may be pretty touchy. I've been thinking about all the 'gay pride' and homosexual awareness things around here, in light of the 'homosexual liberation' in recent (internet) times some folks kind of dislike all this. They have the full right to do so, and I am not ashamed to say I am one of them. This has nothing to do with homophobia, this is a matter of religious motives or social matters or perhaps both. If an LGBT community/region/group/clan is allowed, is a direct opposite, such as an anti-LGBT allowed, or something in the lines of 'Straight and Proud' or '100% Hetrosexual'? I'd like a serious answer on this, since it seems gayness (a proven minority of the worlds population) finds they have more right to display pride of their sexuality.

Thanks

The LGBT group is about acceptance and tolerance, and welcomes anyone to join, gay or straight. Would an 'anti-LGBT' be the same?

So let me get this straight, if I create a group similar to an LGBT thing shown in the thread I linked you guys to, there is no problem at all?

So let me get this straight, if I create a group similar to an LGBT thing shown in the thread I linked you guys to, there is no problem at all?

If you can create a 'straight and proud' group-thing without decending into gay-bashing, yes. Though, from where I look at it, such a thing would be horrendously difficult to do in practise.

If I can make a deal with the NS mods that if any who starts bashing X or Y or whatever earn a 3 day ban, I don't think it is too difficult. People who are anti-LGBT from religious or social viewpoint aren't generally flamers, trolls and other muppets do to provoke reactions. Bashing equals ban, and people will learn.

Oh yeah, can a mod delete the two posts I linked to in post #1?

People who are anti-LGBT from religious or social viewpoint aren't generally flamers, trolls and other muppets do to provoke reactions.

Again the definition of "pro-Straight" as "anti-LGBT." Think about it!

I think that you should be able to say anything you want, but clearly thats not going to happen any time soon.

If you have a Straight Pride group that celebrates and thus implicitly promotes your sexual orientation that seems fair enough, I think it would be hard for anyone to have a problem with that. If the purpose of your group is to hate homosexuals, then not many people are going to be sympathetic to your cause.

Yay, being straight is great. I think its better than being homosexual, but clearly theres a lot of homosexuals who disagree. I also think that Indie music is much better than Death Metal, which is why I'm in the Indie Society at my uni which celabrates Indie music. I disagree with a lot of people on a lot of things. Like everything else, this doesnt mean I hate them, or are afraid of them, or cannot socialise with them. You see?

People, this thread is mainly posted to get a few straight answers from the moderation team, discussion on anti-gay, pro-hetrosexuality belongs in General I believe.

People, this thread is mainly posted to get a few straight answers from the moderation team, discussion on anti-gay, pro-hetrosexuality belongs in General I believe.

And we are pointing it out to you that you will have problems if your "pro-Straight" group turns out to be "anti-LGBT."

And we are pointing it out to you that you will have problems if your "pro-Straight" group turns out to be "anti-LGBT."...which was already pointed out by not one, but two Moderators. I believe the point has been made and that this thread has served its purpose.